Talk:Miroslav Klose

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[edit] Father's nationality

His father is half-German?

Where is the evidence?

It is a well known fact in Germany. His family moved to Germany as "Aussiedler", which means Germans or people with German roots who live in other countries but have the birthright to emigrate to the Federal Republic. They would not have been able to do so if the father hadn't been part German. -- Imladros 15:41 MEZ 10.07.2006

In interviews, he has only stated his father was German, and I've seen no information directly from him stating his father was "half German" or "one millionth German" or whatever, just German. So why is he listed as half German? Changing it until someone can present evidence directly from Miro revealing otherwise Ernham 18:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC) ernham

[edit] Polish national team?

I removed the following sentence until a citation can be found:
"The Polish national coach wanted him for the Polish national team but he declined, preferring to wait for Germany.^{[citation needed]}"
for me it is obvious that the Polish national coach would never officialy make such an offer (an Wikipedia should not contain rumors) if he knew that Klose is also wanted by the German national team. Even if Klose feels Polish the career you can make and the amount of money you can earn playing proffessional futball in Poland and in Germany is hard to compare. Mieciu K 12:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Just read his official website:

http://www.miroslav-klose.de/lebenslauf.html

Im Januar 2001 reiste sogar Polens Nationaltrainer Jerzy Engel in die Pfalz, um den Stürmer zu überreden, in der polnischen Nationalmannschaft zu spielen. Denn Klose hatte nie auf seine polnische Staatsbürgerschaft verzichtet. Doch dieser winkte ab: "Ich habe einen deutschen Pass, und wenn es so weiter läuft, habe ich eine Chance auf eine Berufung durch Rudi Völler."

Then changes happend rapidly. In January 2001 the national coach Jerzy Engel travelled from Poland to the Pfalz, to persuade him to play for the Polish national team, since Klose still has the Polish nationality. But he declined: "I have a German passport, and if things are still running this way, I have a chance to play for Rudi Völler." It worked out, and how. Klose went his successful way and is today an idol in the Pfalz. Privately he enjoyes playing tennis and tabletennis.

http://www.miroslav-klose.de/en/lebenslauf.html

Thanks, that's a good source, I have added the reference and everything is fine now. Mieciu K 18:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Pawel, if his father believes he's not Polish, how come you are so sure of that? Until now, you haven't given any reason for this. All you do is state it. Before you insist on it next time, I'd like to see any proof of that. And please don't come up with something like »write an article on his father's beliefs« or »his father was half-Polish, even if he doesnt like it, besides this is an article about Miro, not dad«, because if you don't like writing about him, why do you focus on him so much?City-17 18:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Please understand the article you posted in the proper context. He doesnt want to be constantly regarded as a Pole, which is natural, for Germans tend to view him as a foreigner (a Pole) instead as an equal German national, a similar problem with all "Auslandsdeutsche", which doesnt mean he denies being half-Polish. It's more of a protest against only being labeled a Pole, or as certain German media would put it "Poland's best gift to Germany". The form you chose is misleading and doesnt mention that his Dad is from a mixed background. Pawel z Niepolomic 19:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

The article says he's from a German family and that he doesn't want to be seen as a Pole. That's what I adopted and that doesn't require a dispute whether he's half, one third, or 56.6235% a German. By the way, what exactly tells you that he's half-German? For your information, like Batman2005 you reverted to your reversion way too often and I'm filling out the form to make you stop it.City-17 19:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

My information comes from the German Wikipedia. The truth is he doesnt "come from a German family", but a Polish one also. That's why he probably has relatives here, notwithstanding his 100% Polish mother and her family. Pawel z Niepolomic 19:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't use information from Wikipedia to justify the same information in Wikipedia. Maybe the German Wikipedia also relies on the information of the English Wikipedia.City-17 19:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

This is true, we need to be careful to use third-party sources, especially here. Unfortunately (at least for me since my German is not that good) I can't seem to find anything definitive on this issue after a (admittedly cursory) Google search. Does anyone have any English links for this information? This is of course not necessary but would be helpful. -- Deville (Talk) 04:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Please explain City-17 how his father's self-identification issues are relevant to an article about Miroslav. Pawel z Niepolomic 15:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

You simply want to present him as a Pole, which is untrue. Information like these prevent others from also mistaking his family as Polish instead of Silesian or German.City-17 16:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] German native from SIlesia?

He's not German, Polish! From Silesia, but not born as a German Pole in Silesia, like many Sliesians of German nation or origin. Kowalmistrz 19:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

He is not Polish! He is SILESIAN. But you polish think that we (as Silesian) don't exist. It's your problem not ours 80.49.150.73 14:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)