Talk:Miracleman
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I presume Marvelman's existence continued (despite the blatant plagiarism of Captain Marvel) because Fawcett couldn't afford to sue a British comic book producer; after all, they had been forced to cancel their main cash cow (Captain Marvel) in the 1950s after DC sued them. Can anyone confirm this? If so, then it can be entered into the Wikipedia entry for Marvelman. Modemac
Forgot to mention that point. AFAIK, Miller was completely above-board and did his reprints with Fawcett's permission. His supply of Captain Marvel dried up because Fawcett had been forced to stop publishing it. Why DC didn't sue Miller, I don't know, but the Captain Marvel/Superman comparison for the original suit seems a bit iffy to me anyway, and a derivative hero of Captain Marvel would be even iffier. Someone was distributing UK B&W reprints of Superman around then, it might even have been Miller. If so, why sue someone who's paying you royalties? US corporate lawyers may think differently, of course... (and thanks for that afternote, too. That there's a chance, that someday Gaiman might finish it, is good news) -- Malcolm Farmer
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[edit] Name of article
I have moved this article from Marvelman to Miracleman in order to conform with Wikipedia's most common name policy. —Lowellian (talk) 22:39, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] sources needed!
If we're going to have this much detail about the ownership dispute (I think it could be condensed a little, but it is pretty infamous in the comics world), we really need some references for this article. This book would probably be a good place to start, but I don't have a copy. ←Hob 19:35, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
- I've tagged this article for cleanup, partially for the reasons you state, Hob, but also because User:Logan1138's (fine) contribution needs copyediting and reorganizing. I hope to return to this article soon. -leigh (φθόγγος) 22:33, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
I've added some links to provide references (i also found out Gaiman was asked to write a new version of Secret Wars?! ) which should help provide sources. Logan1138 12:38, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] "The Man Of Miracles"
Could anyone expand further as to what exactly McFarlane is doing with this in Spawn?Logan1138 17:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Clarification needed
Some aspects of the article need some fine-tuning. For one thing, it says that when Leach left the strip and was replaced by Alan Davis, Leach's third ownership transferred to Davis. Why is this? Since when does ownership of a property transfer to the person who happens to be working on it? Is this a British thing, or something? Also, Dez Skinn's name is introduced into the article without any mention of who he is or what his relationship is to the character. Even some brief mention or description of him and his place in the situation would be apt.
The rights were transferred to Davis because thats what happened. There was no specific reason other than that. Skinn has his own entry which goes in detail, as does Warrior, but a small description will be added.Logan1138 14:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
The transferral of rights in this way was not a standard practice by any means; however, it was an arrangement that the various creators working on the title came to between themselves. See also Moore's voluntary transferral of his third to be jointly held between Neil Gaiman and Mark Buckingham. Actually, on that note, I'm not sure if the article actually mentions that Buckingham actually holds half of Moore's original share - the implication seems to be that Gaiman holds 33.3%, when in fact he only holds 16.7%, the same as Buckingham (however, since they are both generally held to be "singing from the same hymn sheet" with regards to MM, this share is considered to be a jointly-held third rather than two separate sixths).
[edit] what tesseract? (gratuitous link)
The Miracleman project consisted of giving someone a second body; when a telepathic signal was given the two bodies switched place in space and the mind was transferred as well. (This is akin to a tesseract but it's unknown if Alan Moore was aware of the concept at the time.)
No, it's not. There's no relation whatsoever. Yes, having one single, 4-dimensional body, could produce a similar effect, but the comic makes it abundantly clear that's not the case; and even if it was, the body would not be a tesseract, as it's not cubic.
So this comparison is entirely gratuitous, "let's sound cool and smart a bit", complete with an entirely gratuitous link to the tesseract article. Please let's remove it.--LaloMartins 01:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. There seems to be a lot of this going around lately, with pointless asides being plugged into articles. I vote to remove it, as the comic book clearly explains that it is two seperate 3D constructs swapping places like the Captain Marvels of DC or Marvel. The tesseract comment is pointless and incorrect. 140.185.215.122 19:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)Steve
[edit] Failed Good Article Status
I removed this article from the good nominations page because it is not sufficiently referenced. joturner 16:44, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
- Wow; I just realized I was the one who nominated this article for good article status. So, I suppose this is just a retraction of that nomination; I didn't realize how insufficiently referenced this was. joturner 16:45, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Actually I was the one who nominated it. I'll see what I can do about the references. Iron Ghost 14:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I can pop some up over the next week or so. The article needs some polishing anyhow.Logan1138 18:03, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] More plot details?
Would it maybe be a good idea to have a seperate article going into more depth as to the plot of the actual comics, especially as they're out of print? While it's understandable given the book's ligititious legiti troubled history, it does sadly follow the trend of most MM sources in that it barely mentions why anyone would want the rights in the first place... Just a thought :)
As an aside, the comment "by the few who possess a copy of the book" in reference to MM #15 sounds a little... dramatic. While it's hardly common and does fetch a pretty large amount of money, it wasn't, IIRC, avaliable in notably smaller quantities than the rest of the Olympus issues, it's just considered a key issue... Personally, I find the rule of thumb that you can hammer "Miracleman #15" into ebay 95% of the time and find a copy for sale as a good indicator that it's not ludicrously rare. Beyond that, it just seems like a pointless little phrase - why would those who haven't read it acclaim Totleben's artwork anyway, whether 5 or 5 million copies were knocking about? ;)
Tom Prankerd 23:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- If you want to add more plot details feel free (although bare in mind its only supposed to be a summary). Pesonally I think its best to keep everything in the one article rather than have a seperate plot page. I agree with you about that MM #15 sentence.
Iron Ghost 03:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Cheers, I'll have a look at that... it's probably more a case of balancing, as the Warrior sumarisation goes into a fair bit of depth, and the "Eclipse" one, well, doesn't, despite more happening in the latter =)
Tom Prankerd 11:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
