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[edit] Links to "Japanese"

You're adding a lot of articles! Please be sure to give [[Japanese]] a real link, such as [[Japan|Japanese]], [[Japanese language|Japanese]], or [[Japanese people|Japanese]] when you write your articles. You've been adding a lot of redirect links to the Japanese disambiguation page. Thanks! Dekimasu 12:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Links to Japanese

Thank you Dekimasu. I am very new to Wikipedia and already i know I know nothing about it! But I am learning as I go. I'm not even sure if this is how I reply to messages or not, but I'm giving it a go. Anyway, I'll look over my pages to make any due corrections as time permits me to do so. Thanks again! (Mind meal 12:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, Mind meal, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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By the way, thanks for all the new additions you've been making. Just a couple style pointers: the title of each article should appear bold (like '''article title''') the first time that it's mentioned in that article. Also, it's good to categorise stubs by type; for the sort of things you work on, good choices are {{buddhism-stub}} or {{zen-stub}}. By the same token, it's a good idea to add some categories, like Category:Zen, Category:Buddhists, Category:Zen Buddhist monks and priests, etc. (Now that I look at your more recent work, and you seem to be fairly up on the categories and stub types think. Anzai Fuyue could be under {{poet-stub}} and {{Japan-writer-stub}}). One more thing, we are supposedly having an effort this month to have everybody work together on the San Francisco Zen Center article; nobody has really done much about it yet, but, if you're so inclined, it would be great if you focused your work on that some. Cheers. —Nat Krause(Talk!) 21:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Nat. I hope you didn't mind some of the changes I made to the San Francisco Zen Center article. I have a question for you. I recently created an article on Shohaku Okumura, but accidentally titled the article Shohaku Okumara. I was wondering how I can change to title of the page? Thanks! {Mind meal 17:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)}
Hi! Up at the top of your screen, near the "history" and "edit this page" tabs, there should be a tab for "move" (if you're using a different skin—most people don't do it, but I think it's a good idea—the move tab might be in a different place). This lets you move the page to a different title. If you do this, make sure to check to see if it has caused any broken redirects (the articles you've been writing probably don't have any redirects at all yet, so it's no problem then). PS - There are different schools of thought about what the best way to respond to a message on your talk page is. The most popular way is to place your reply on the other person's talk page; this means that each talk page will have only have half the conversation on it. On the other hand, some people prefer to keep the whole conversation on one talk page. When using the latter form, it's probably a good idea to leave a short note on the other person's talk page saying, "Hey! I saw your message to me and replied on my talk page. If the conversation continues, check back there for my additional responses." Anyway, don't worry too much about the getting the formalities right—you seem to be picking up on things quickly. A pointer: you should usually try to maintain the pattern of indenting that I'm using in this conversation.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 18:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for responding. I tried and tried to find the move link to no avail. I changed skins, read articles on moving pages...but nothing. I was thinking if you had the time, maybe you would be willing to help me turn most of my red links into BLUE!!! links in some of my created pages. Many Zen centers and teachers that I reference in them that I could use some help in creating articles for. I only ask as I see you have some interests in Zen. Anyway, thanks for making feel welcome here! I plan to expand Wiki's Zen database extensively while I'm on board, as I'm retired and have lots of free time. To me this is fun. Thanks again. Mind meal 19:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi - I'm glad you're having fun with your articles and it looks like you're working on a subject you are really interested in - good for you! I would like to ask that if at all possible, you add citations to your articles. It really helps to add credibility to the article (especially about people - sometimes the glowing prose about Zen teachers can sound more like a press release than an encylopedia article). At any rate, I find looking up the citations from outside sources and stretching myself striving to write in a neutral point of view to be quite satisfying and fun. Not to mention that I've learned a lot along the way, even about topics I thought I knew really well. If you have any questions about how to add citations, feel free to check the help pages or comment here or on my talk page - I'll be happy to help. Nightngle 19:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

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You seem to be editing from a different IP address now. Do you still need the autoblock to be lifted? --  Netsnipe  ►  13:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I guess not. That IP address is a random one Earthlink gives many users, so I logged off and back in and I guess my IP changed. I didn't know what to do at first, but I guess should I face this situation ever again I'll just log out and back in through earthlink. Kind of strange. I had nothing to do with whatever ban was placed. Thanks for responding to me! {Mind meal 14:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)}

[edit] Rennyo

Hi, Mind meal; welcome to Wikipedia! I see you've been working hard on the Rennyo article which I started. Thank you so much for your help in rewriting and expanding this. However, I wanted to point one thing out; you use the word "Shin" a lot to refer to a type or sect of Buddhism. As I am sure you are aware, "Shin" simply means "new" (新), and is not the name of a sect. I think it would probably be better to use "Shinshū", instead of just Shin or Shin Buddhism. After all, it's a "new sect" (新宗), not a New Buddhism. Thanks. LordAmeth 14:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello there LordAmeth! I agree totally, and I've gone in and made the proper changes. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I'm glad to see the contest wasn't too harsh, as I have lots of material here I'm sifting through, attempting to create a cohesive storyline. It is a bit of a tap dance, as I don't want to wipe out what is already there about Rennyo. I have two books filled with information on Rennyo and Shinran, one by Hawaii University Press and the other published by the Indiana University Press. The information in the latter is so heavy and detailed that it is going to take me a while to form the basis of an article. But with these references as a guide, I think I may be able to come close to telling Rennyo's complete story. Since you are the originator of this article, I want to ask you if you want me to run my final draft by you before making further changes? Maybe we could do a back and forth rendering of the material, doing edits and making suggestions, in order to present a polished product. What do you say? {Mind meal 14:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)}
I just want to add that all of the new material I just added needs no new reference and will not conflict with current references, as I derived the bervity of information from the Dobbins book, though this was the 1989 Indiana University Press edition (not the 2002 edition). Hope all is well! {Mind meal 16:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)}
I really appreciate you asking, but please do go ahead and make whatever changes you would like. I've already done what I can with my generic History of Japan texts - I don't specialize in religious history, and neither do any of my books. So go right ahead and make it your own ^_^. LordAmeth 17:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Pardon me for interloping here, but isn't the "Shinshū" in Jōdo Shinshū actually "真宗", meaning "true sect", not "新宗" meaning "new sect"? This being the case, I think that it's best to write out Jōdo Shinshū in full, rather than using Shinshū ("true sect of Buddhism" and "true Buddhism" seem like about the same thing to me). I do think that "Shin Buddhism" is an accepted shorthand for Jōdo Shinshū in English, but it probably would be better to use a more formal and clearer term.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 18:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


Hi again Nat. Shin does mean true, and shu does mean sect. So Jodo Shinsu can be said to mean "The True Pure Land Sect". The two references I am using (both printed by University Presses) use the terms interchangeably. While it would be nice to include "Jodo" in every reference with Shinshu, it isn't really that important in my opinion. Here is why I feel that way: All we are doing is differentiating Jodo Shinshu from Jodo Shu, essentially. So Shinshu clearly differentiates itself from Shu, and allows the reader to know that Shinshu refers to Shinran's sect, and Shu refers to Honen's sect. Another reason I have been reluctant to use Jodu Shinshu in every instance concerns the earlier sects of Shinran's tradition. While technically it is correct to say these early sects were in fact Jodo Shinshu, they had many factions with sectarian names. I am afraid it could confuse the reader, unaware of these earlier sects, if I refer to them simply as Jodo Shinshu. They may fail to render, as a result, the fact that Rennyo had to bring all the factions together and unify everyone. So I have been referring to pre-Hoganji sects as Shinshu, so as to highlight a difference that existed there. Mainly the lack of unification. I don't have a problem referring to the older sects as Jodo Shinshu, because in fact that is what they were. I also think a text reads better when the reader does see the same term used in every other sentence. In a way, this helps train people to identify what others could be talking about in other works when they simply say "Shinshu" instead of Jodo Shinshu. Having familiarized themself with the various terminologies, I feel they will be more adept at absorbing the various terms folks use when referring to Jodo Shinshu. I just wanted to let you know the reasoning I used in choosing to do otherwise in certain spots. Hope all is well with you. {Mind meal 19:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)}
  • bonk* Right. Of course. True sect, not new sect. I was jumping to conclusions. Sorry. But I think the end result is the same, no? LordAmeth 08:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I think Shinshu is fine Lord. Like I said above, Shinshu clearly differentiates itself from Jodo Shu. It is just shorthand that most of the scholarly work I've been looking at seems comfortable with using.{Mind meal 08:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)}

[edit] Re: Dogen

Hey, thanks for working on Dogen; you're doing good work. However, for all those references to Moon in a Dewdrop, you must put page numbers, refer to the author's name and not the title in the footnote, and—if one reference to the same book is the next numbered footnote (i.e., two references to the same book in a row)—put it as Ibid. plus the page number. Cheers. —Saposcat 06:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me and for the compliment. You've established a good platform to work on for Dogen. I love Wikipedia, don't you? I'm new here so I still have not quite mastered the art of footnotes, but I'm learning. I'm confident in being able to follow the example you've given me, though. Thank you for fixing the references for me, btw. I think I'll have a little more to add shortly. As a side note, do you agree with the new section heads I added? {Mind meal 06:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)}

I almost forgot to ask concerning the page numbers. The dates and information are all referenced through the book, though I did alter the text while staying on message so as to not infringe on any copyrights. Are the page numbers still necessary when I am using the book as a general reference? Your thoughts. {Mind meal 06:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)}

No need to thank about the references: I love doing that sort of stuff. (Thank you for your compliments, too, by the way.)
The section headings were a good idea; well done. I just changed one slightly: "Dogen in China" to "Travel in China" (better not to self-reference the person the article is about in a section heading, if it can be avoided).
About references: one main thing to remember is that not every date needs to be referenced. Perhaps on occasion for big events (i.e., I kept the reference about Dogen getting Dharma transmission), and certainly for controversial or disputed dates (though I don't think there's really any big controversy with any of Dogen's dates)—but for the most part, a date can be left stand without reference unless someone challenges it. Also on that note, if you're using a book as a general reference, very often you don't need to give a footnote reference; and if you choose to, you can do something like "E.g. Tanahashi 75" or whatnot ("e.g." meaning "for example").
Keep up the good work, and thanks again for the compliment. Cheers. —Saposcat 06:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello again! I noticed you requested a citation, but the material I am referencing offers no name for the master. It merely states "He was even offered dharma transmission by one of the masters but politely refused it." Tips? Advice? {Mind meal 07:30, 20 October 2006 (UTC)}
My advice would be to do research, both on the Internet and in other books (if possible), to see what you can find. For the time being, just put a reference to the book and page number where it says that ... that ought to be enough. Cheers. —Saposcat 07:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed you've been doing some editing, which I don't have any problem with. So long as the crux of the points are there, no worries. However, I would like to point out that I was merely trying to give a little info on Rújìng to readers, as there is no article associated with him to reference. I would start an article on him, but I don't have enough material to justify it. I suppose I could make it a stub...{Mind meal 07:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)}

I would suggest a stub, as it can always be expanded upon later (and I'm sure a bit more info on Rujing/Nyojo can be found somewhere). Cheers. —Saposcat 07:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I'll start one later. One more thing, there are some conflicts with my reference and what exists on the early information of his return to Japan. Namely, in my reference it states here that "Returning to Japan in 1227, Dogen stayed at Kennin Monastery in Kyoto, where he had first encountered Zen." The existing text states he was at Mt. Hiei, which my reference makes no mention of prior to his retreat to Kyoto. I'm going to edit that part about Mt. Hiei and mention Kennin in place of it.


What do you think of devoting a section to Dogen's masterworks? {Mind meal 09:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)}
sorry for my note in the Dogen history page, I didn't know what Ibid is until just now. I thought you were replacing my footnes with your own! Silly me. Anyway, the article is coming along good, huh?{Mind meal 16:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)}

[edit] Statues

Hi. Thank you for uploading the photo of the statue of Shinran; however, you did not give proper copyright information. Consequently, the photo may be deleted (although if necessary, it can be undeleted).

Who took the photo? A friend of yours from the LionCity forums, yes, but which friend? Under which license does that friend release the photo?

"If you created this media file and want it to be kept on Wikipedia, remove this message and replace this with {{GFDL-self}} to license it under the GFDL, or {{cc-by-sa-2.5}} to license it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license, or use {{PD-self}} to release it into the public domain."

Let me know. DS 15:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nishi

Hi there, regarding the image Image:Nishi.JPG which I deleted from the article Nishi Honganji. I deleted the image because under the image licensing you indicated that the image was copyrighted with all rights reserved and that only Wikipedia has permission to use this file (or that permission was granted only to use the image for non commercial use). While it might seem reasonable to assume that such files can be freely used on Wikipedia, since explicit permission to use it was given, this is in fact not the case. Please do not upload any more files with this restriction on them, because content on Wikipedia needs to be compatible with the GNU Free Documentation License, which allows anyone to use it.

I appreciate you sought the permission of the copyright holder to use the image on here, but in order for us to use the image you must request that they make the media available under a free license. If you have any further questions please feel free to leave a message on my talk page or ask them at the Media copyright questions page. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 16:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

For the same reason, I'm afraid I've just had to remove Image:Shinran.JPG and Image:Honen.jpg. If you wish to be able to use the images you will need to contact the photographer and get their consent for them to be released under a free license (which makes them available to everyone, not just Wikipedia) prior to re-uploading them. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 16:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Drawings

I love your drawings. It is important that you put the name of the author (you) on them or there might be problems down the road. The GNU free license is not valid without an actual name on it. Alas, "me" or "myself" will not work. Keep up the goos work! Killerbeez 00:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know

Updated DYK query On 2 November 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anne Juliana Gonzaga, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 08:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anne Juliana Gonzaga

The article is mighty fine, but it's really strange that the article body has nothing about her life after the death of her husband... So she did nothing interesting during these 30-or-so years? There is also no explanation whatsoever to her name change. Circeus 16:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to respond so late. Today i am going to work more on the article, as when I began writing it I took a break from the project and haven't returned to it until now. Absolutely, there is a lot she did after her husband's death. I simply grew tired that evening when I created it. This morning I am inspired to tell some more of the story. Thank you for the interest. {Mind meal 10:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)}

[edit] Sax categories

You've been adding Category:Jazz saxophonists to people already in Category:Jazz tenor saxophonists. The tenor category is a sub-category of the overall category, and a few months ago people were putting effort into moving people (like Sonny Rollins for example) into the more specific category. AllyD 17:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand the concern. There are hundreds of artists listed under jazz saxophonists, and I have not removed specific tenor, alto, or baritone specifications. I am merely adding to the categories, so that people who happen upon the category jazz saxophonists will see a greater variety of players. By the way, it is the head category of all the sub-categories. Why should we not include their name in both? Jazz saxophonists is a general heading, and is by nature non-specific. {Mind meal 17:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)}

When a subcategory is added, it is placed in the parent catagory aswell. All pages in Category:Jazz tenor saxophonists are automatically in Category:Jazz saxophonists. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 17:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

This is true, but "jazz saxophonists" is the first page everyone sees. In my opinion, it should be the most comprehensive category (including all players); the less people have to click, the better for the site. People could still click the sub-categories to hone their searches, but since we have this category head we may as well include it. That is my feeling, anyway.

PS: I'm listening to Lester Young just now....ahhhhhh.{Mind meal 18:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)}

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