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Why don't the last three tables show up?

What do you mean? They are working fine for myself. -Hoekenheef 00:33, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

First name of Professor Binns (Fredrick)?

I would like to know who have found out the first name of Binns. where does he/she (201.145.181.106) get the information? -Kkkc 15:09, 5 Nov 2005

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[edit] individual pages discussion

Please participate in the discussion at Talk:Harry Potter#Breaking apart articles of characters regarding having individual pages for characters rather than group pages. --billlund 21:20, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name of Prof. Binns

It very unlikely that Prof. Binns's name is derived from "bin". His lessons might be boring but there is no evidence that what he says is garbage. I think his name is a pun on "(to have) been", in the sense that he is dead. What's your opinion?

I'll add this interpretation unless there are any objections. --Jacopo Belbo 16:40, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler?

Should the reference to Dumbledore as "former" headmaster be somehow shielded?

Yes, it should! The same applies to "headmistress" McGonagall, and perhaps for "Moody (Barty Crouch jr.)" as well. --Jacopo Belbo 16:43, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Give Professor Sinistra her own page

The article on Professor Sinistra is of long-enough length to have its own page and not be considered a stub. Should I go ahead and give her her own page?

  • No way. Her section is already several times longer than all the content from the actual books concerning her. 80.235.61.149 16:51, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] First name of Professor Binns (Fredrick)?

I would like to know who have found out the first name of ==

where does he/she (201.145.181.106) get the information?

[edit] Ogg

Ogg, the former Hogwarts Gamekeeper, has his own article. Because he is a Hogwarts employee, but not a teacher, I have second thoughts about putting him here.

Lee S. Svoboda 02:21, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kettleburn

I'm removing Prof. Kettleburn's first name, because I cannot find any mention of his first name in the books. Does anybody have any cannon proof for his forename being "James?" --¿WhyBeNormal? 06:24, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Link to Norwegian pages

Hi. I have added the link to the respective Norwegian articles at the bottom of the article, in <>. If this article is to be breaken up, please add the corresponding link. Does anyone also have an idea of how to link to the articles now? - Helga76 19:01, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Binn's first name

is it a spolier?

[edit] Re: Professor Binns

It's been three-and-a-half months since "Professor Binns' first name" was added. I'm suprised that it wasn't removed quickly as "Professor Kettleburn's first name" was. I checked the Harry Potter Lexicon (www.hplexicon.org) and didn't find it on there, so I'm going to assume it's not canon and remove it. 69.138.229.246 03:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Binns first name

Could someone give me a link to the Harry Potter Lexicon page? Grassland | T | C 22:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I see it above. Grassland | T | C 22:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I see nothing that saying anything about Binns first name not being Cuthbert. Grassland | T | C 22:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

If someone could provide a link straight to it that would be wonderful. Grassland | T | C 22:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com-trans-jottings1.html

This is the link to a transcript of the list where Binns' first name appeared. It cannot be considered canon because a few things on the list were different when they actually appeared in the book (Prisoner of Azkaban). The name of the Hippogriff, "Buckbeak", is not listed in the Hippogriff name list, and Professor Trelawney is not listed under "Divination Professor" (what is listed is a character called "Mopsus" who was apparently replaced by Trelawney). AgentPeppermint 22:45, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I see. Though I take there link as though the fact is true, not wrong. I do not understand why Mopsus replaced Trelwaney or they have an Acient Runes teacher. I'll look it up on one other website first. Grassland | T | C 22:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Ancient Runes is a subject that Harry doesn't take, though Hermione does and she mentions it a couple times in the books. Nobody except J.K. Rowling knows why Mopsus was replaced by Trelawney, although I believe she mentions somewhere on her website that she got rid of Mopsus because Mopsus was "too good" a Seer or something along those lines; she never likes to reveal stuff earlier than she has to. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AgentPeppermint (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Further discussion on Binns, et. al.

I see the reason why we cannot include Cuthbert as Binns' first name because the rest of the page is not verifiable. That is, you wouldn't cite the divination teacher from that source because it is unreliable; so you likewise wouldn't cite Binns' first name from here. Also, we unofficially adopted our similarly unofficial canon rules from the Lexicon, which can't accept this information until she officially enters it in canon by saying "Binns' first name is…" or mentioning it in the books, or releasing a draft with all correct information. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 01:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

And other information on the page is reflected in canon. Some information has been changed, but other information hasn't; the policy would therefore be to tentatively accept it, but make clear that it may have been outdated (but Rowling didn't specify that the data had changed or was no longer accurate, so to say that is OR). But to say "his name is not Cuthbert" is your opinion that some changes makes the rest unreliable. What matters is that she has said that his name is Cuthbert, etc, and until she specifies otherwise, that's how it is. Michaelsanders 02:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
It seems we're actually kind of in the middle. His name is not Cuthbert, but his name is not not Cuthbert. Thus, it would be wrong to put that into the section name and the infobox and the lead, etc. However, it of course needs to be said that at one time his name was Cuthbert, which I don't deny. However, consider a case outside of the fictional world: You come across a source that says, "Columbus sailed to the Americas for the first time in 1501. He died only three years later, in 1506 in Valladolid, Spain." One statement, the year he first sailed to the Americas, is clearly wrong (parallel here to the 'Mopsus' in the draft), so even though part about his death is correct, you wouldn't cite this as your source because it is clearly unreliable and unverifiable. In our case, something in the source is clearly outdated, and thus Cuthbert stands the possibility of being outdated. So I propose the section name and lead and infobox to omit the word "Cuthbert" and the second paragraph to read as thus:
“ A draft page from the time of writing Prisoner of Azkaban, which Rowling put on her website in March 2006, reveals Binns' first name at that time to be Cuthbert. This particular name has not been neither contradicted nor introduced into the canon of the books; however, some other information in the same document has changed since it was written, making it uncertain if his name has been retained. ”
(and cite with the Lexicon source as her site is impossible to cite, no wordplay intended). --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 02:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I can tell you that the attitude of historians towards documents is profoundly eccentric. For example, Edward II is assumed to have been murdered with a poker in 1327 based on sources which are biased, obviously unreliable, and containing plain wrong facts. 'Proof' that he was alive many years later is generally ignored, despite the strength of said 'proof', because most older historians are unwilling to make such a profound change to English history. You would find, in fact, that most historians use 'evidence' as poor as your suggested example - and if such a historical document occurred, you'd get historians arguing either that Columbus took 9 years to get any recognition, or (straying into Holy Grail territory here) that he didn't go to the Americas until 1501, and that a big conspiracy was masterminded to stop Amerigo Vespucci getting the credit ("Why else would they call it America? But Vespucci discovered Viking Settlers who possessed the Holy Grail, and the Pope couldn't allow that...").
As for here: if we're arguing from the basis of historical sources, it would be a shoe-in - a previously undiscovered piece of primary evidence giving what was unknown information about historical figures? Historians would do back-flips to make it fit, and would retain it, regardless of other complaints. And from a literary perspective, under normal circumstances, I think it would also be regarded as canonical - apparently, fans of Wuthering Heights always want to know what happened to Heathcliff during his absence, so if a proven authorial draft of that turned up, I suspect they would take it for granted, and ignore any contradictory information.
None of that is a great deal useful here, however. What I suggest is that, for Binns and the other teachers (which you have not, for some reason, yet complained about), we leave the names in the headings and infoboxes as the definitive canon, bracket the uncertain forename in the first sentence, and place your suggested paragraph at the end. Alright? Michaelsanders 10:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I actually didn't bring up the others because my attention was not drawn to them, but this goes for Binns as well as Sinistra, Vector, and the "other teachers" section. I actually see it as misleading to put the first name in the section name. How about this: we take out all first names from the section names, just to be uniform, so that it reads "Professor" (or Madam) for each (except for Twycross, as he's never called Professor). That way, the sections would use the name that is traditionally used when addressing the teacher, but would include the first name in the body of the section. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 21:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
That would be fine, on condition that the lead sentence was "Professor Cuthbert Binns" or "Professor (Cuthbert?) Binns". Michaelsanders 23:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hooch

"Quirrell's first name is not mentioned in the novels. The official Harry Potter Trading Card Game lists "Quirinus" as his first name. However, the Chocolate Frog cards give "Slatero" as his first name. The trading card game was written by Rowling, so it can be taken as canon." If this is so, why isn't Rolanda accepted as Hooch's forename? Can we have some consistency? If Quirinus and Rolanda are definitely from Rowling, both should be taken as official. If they aren't, they shouldn't be. Michaelsanders 23:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

It's because there's been no other evidence besides the trading cards. This is one part of the fandom I've never crept too much into, so I couldn't really say about whether the trading cards are canon or not. I'd have to do some research into that one. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 01:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Professor Everard

The article on Portraits in the Harry Potter universe says that his name is Everard Proudfoot. However, this article says that Everard is his last name. Personally, I think that Everard is his first name, as Dumbledore calls other portraits by their first names, e.g. Phineas Nigellus is Phineas. Does anybody have any idea about this? The Lexicon doesn't mention it. 222.152.163.128 07:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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