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Colors
The table colors make my eyes hurt. AidepikiW 18:40, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- I agree. They're gone now. -- Merphant 09:14, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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- I strongly disagree. I could be mistaken, but I believe the consensus decision last time to have been to mute the colours, not remove them. The colours clearly separate the different milestones. If a clear consensus emerges to remove the colours, I will go with the majority, but in the meantime, please let's discuss the matter first. For the time being, I have reverted the change pending consensus.David Cannon 11:09, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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- My eyes still ache looking at this table. The lines in the table clearly separate the different milestones, and whitespace could be added, too (e.g. increase cellpadding). Having said that: I don't really check in on this table very often, so it doesn't really bother me. If the consensus is that the colors should stay, so be it, but I still think using colors like this makes it harder to read, not easier. Merphant 15:17, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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New table colors
Below is my attempt at a more appealing color scheme. I didn't just change the page since the table is used on various other pages, not just here. (dcljr)
| Milestone | Languages (dates milestones reached, in order of reaching them) |
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| 500,000 | |
| 400,000 | English (20 November 2004) |
| 200,000 | |
| 100,000 | German (13 June 2004) |
| 50,000 | Japanese (25 May 2004); French (29 August 2004); Swedish (17 November 2004); Polish (31 December 2004) |
| 20,000 | Dutch (7 February 2004); Spanish (16 March 2004); Italian (22 July 2004); Danish (5 August 2004); Portuguese (18 September 2004); Esperanto (22 January 2005) |
| 10,000 | Chinese (14 May 2004); Hebrew (9 September 2004); Bulgarian (3 October 2004); Norwegian (12 October 2004); Finnish (14 October 2004); Catalan (16 November 2004); Ukrainian (16 November 2004); Romanian (12 December 2004); Russian (30 December 2004) |
| 5,000 | Slovenian (14 July 2004); Estonian (15 July 2004); Serbian (14 September 2004); Korean (18 November 2004); Indonesian (6 December 2004); Hungarian (2 January 2005); Croatian (13 January 2005); Czech (21 January 2005) |
| 2,000 | (some 'pedias below would need to be moved here) |
| 1,000 | Interlingua (31 July 2003); Latin (7 December 2003); Afrikaans (9 January 2004); Walloon (23 January 2004); Malay (8 February 2004); Basque (5 March 2004); Galician (12 March 2004); Simple English (7 April 2004); Welsh (9 April 2004); Greek (24 May 2004); Frisian (6 June 2004); Turkish (15 July 2004); Icelandic (26 August 2004); Arabic (31 August 2004); Asturian (2 September 2004); Slovak (8 September 2004); Kurdish (13 September 2004); Luxembourgish (17 September 2004); Bosnian (30 September 2004); Sanskrit (10 October 2004); Lithuanian (14 October 2004); Nynorsk (27 October 2004); Tatar (5 November 2004); Ido (12 November 2004); Farsi (22 December 2004); Scottish Gaelic (14 January 2005); Hindi (24 January 2005) |
The color choices are not random, but depend on the "milestone" number in the following way.
- The basic colors are chosen according to the first digit:
- 1 = #xxFFFF (aqua)
- 2 = #xxFFxx (green)
- 5 = #FFFFxx (yellow)
- all others = personally, I would keep it to these 3, but you can see I used, uh, pink/salmon? for the current level of en:
- The amount of saturation of each color depends on the number of digits (i.e., the power of ten). In particular, the values for x are:
- 1,000s = E
- 10,000s = D
- 100,000s = C
- 1,000,000s = B (then A,9,8,... but by then surely this system will have been supplanted by something else)
Note, BTW, that the 3 main colors (aqua, green and yellow) were chosen because no matter how dark they get, it still looks acceptable (to me, anyway). d Comments? Questions? If no one objects, I'll change the page along these lines someday, or someone else can do it. - dcljr 09:21, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I'm happy with your proposal - except for one point: could you consider putting a borderline around the table so that the lighter colours don't just merge with the page? Otherwise, it's perfect. David Cannon 12:44, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I also like it. I think we should omit the 400.000 bar for consistency tho. --Conti|✉ 13:31, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
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- This proposal is great! I hope it will be taken into use. The 400k bar should be removed when the 500k bar is reached. Also there should be "1", "2" and "5" bars for every power of 10. — JIP | Talk 10:54, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Watching the 'pedias
Speaking of changing the table, where would one get the information contained therein? I know there's Wikipedia:Multilingual statistics and the pages it links to for monthly stats, but how can you tell what day a certain 'pedia reached a milestone? - dcljr 19:29, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Simply put, there's no quick and easy way. I wish somebody would rig up a bot to do it for us! The only way is to physically access each and every Wikipedia (which I do once a month), and read their counter. There is a counter on the main page of each Wikipedia, which takes ages to load, so I've sped things up by putting a counter on my user pages as well (these load much more quickly, because I've got next to nothing on them). I've made this page with links to my user pages in all of the different language wikis. You're welcome to use it. It cuts the time down to about 90-120 minutes to find and record the latest statistic for each wiki.
- As for your other question (how we know when a wiki reaches a milestone), once again, there's no easy way. However, most of the major language projects have enthusiasts who are only too eager to report to us as soon as they reach another milestone - and that's how we know most of the major ones (and some of the minor ones). As for the others, I personally "watch" wikis that I think are likely to reach a milestone. Having been following them for over a year, I'm fairly familiar with each wiki's average rate of growth, and at the beginning of the month (when I update the Wikipedia:Multilingual statistics tables) I make a note of those that look likely to pass a milestone during the month, and keep an eye on them. Once in a blue moon I blow it (the Bulgarian and Ukrainian wikis have experienced several sudden bot-driven sprints, the Portuguese and Italian wikis had a couple of such sprints last year also), so I have, on occasion, missed a milestone date, and suddenly find that they've gone from 17k to 26k or whatever. On such (rare) occasions, I hit the Special:Special pages link in the left margin, then Special:New articles - and count down until I find the day on which the milestone was reached.
- I hope this answers your questions sufficiently. If not, please feel free to ask me again. David Cannon 09:47, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Color change when en: hits 500,000
Fair warning: I plan to change the colors on the article page to the above scheme shortly after the English Wikipedia hits 500,000 articles (that way I can "safely" remove the "400,000" row). - dcljr 01:08, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I like the principle, but would it be possible to make each step one graduation more saturated? The 1,000 - 5,000 stages are extremely pale on many screens. Warofdreams 12:19, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I think the redesign is a great idea, but where will we find the dates that the various Wikipedias crossed the 2,000 article mark? Jeff8765 04:06, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
- See the discussion in the previous section of this page. - dcljr 18:02, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- So when will the change actually occur? It's been over a full day since English Wikipedia reached half a million, yet the old colours are still there. The old colours suxx0rzz, the new colours r0xx0rzz. I wish the colours to be changed! — JIP | Talk 18:20, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I see the colours have been updated. Great work, dcljr! Propsit sulle, mään! — JIP | Talk 18:36, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I just did it. I used my original colors, since it now has a proper border. If anyone else wants to darken the colors, they can. I also left out the 2,000-count row, since it takes a lot of work to update the info. I might work on that later today or tomorrow. Then again, I might not.... - dcljr 18:38, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Dates needed for 2,000-4,999 range
I've just promoted the Wikipedias that used to have 1,000+ articles but now have 2,000+ articles into the 2,000 section, but I haven't added the dates that they reached that milestone. Also, I haven't checked the rest of the smaller 'pedias for any additional 1,000-article milestones, nor have I checked for any other milestones. Obviously, this needs a lot more work, but I figured I'd put it out there so others could help with adding/updating the info. I'd recommend contributors make many small edits in case more than one person is working on it at any one time. - dcljr 19:25, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC) first sentence reworded 19:48, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Progress on updating table
FYI, I've been going through David Cannon's Interwiki page today and haven't yet come across any new 1,000+ 'pedias nor any that need to be promoted in the table. I'm up to L, although I couldn't check Gujarati, Hindi and Kannada because I don't have the right fonts on this computer. - dcljr 22:00, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I'm finished going through the 'pedias listed at User:Davidcannon/Interwiki. No changes needed to be made to the table. I'm going to add a note at the top of this page so people can indicate when the last thorough check was made. - dcljr 17:54, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Changes to this talk page
You might have noticed I've moved all the "watch" warnings into the second section at the top of this page, followed by the older dicsussion. I did it this way so the latest updating info will always be in the same place on the page. Let me know if this bothers anyone's sensibilities. - dcljr 22:59, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Removed "dates unknown" message
I just removed the "Exact dates unknown for some of the following" message in the 2,000 section; Walloon is about to be promoted to the 5,000-article section and the other two 'pedias with month-only dates are still like that only because it's (apparently) no longer possible to find out the exact day they reached 2,000. - dcljr (talk) 19:33, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Note about Ossetian reaching 1,000
By my calculations, Ossetian actually reached 1,000 articles on May 20th, not May 23rd. Since Ossetian's {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} counter is broken, the article count on the Main Page is updated manually and appears to be incorrect. I counted the articles at the Ossetian Allpages (just hit Go without specifiying a starting point to start at the beginning of the list) and got 1,125, whereas the Main Page currently says 1,050. According to their Newpages, the article created 125 articles ago was dated May 20th. - dcljr (talk) 08:08, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
600,000 for English
I don't see why this was removed... 600,000 is the next logical milestone. —Sean κ. + 05:01, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- No, it's not. 1,000,000 is the next milestone. Just because English reaches a new multiple of 100,000 doesn't mean we should abandon the 1-2-5 scheme of this table. There are plenty of other places to celebrate the 600,000 milestone. For example, m:Wikimedia News, m:Milestones, and Wikipedia:Announcements. - dcljr (talk) 05:15, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- The logic behind the 1-2-5 scheme is that it's roughly exponential (2.15x). -- Cyrius|✎ 10:35, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Is there that much of a problem with adding 600k for EN, leaving 500k there but empty ... the example above didn't stagger off and die for having a 400k line. When is a milestone not a milestone? --Tagishsimon (talk)
- It's just that the scheme has to be consistent. If we have milestones at 1000, 2000, and 5000, it logically follows that we should do the same at 10k, 20k, and 50k, then at 100k, 200k, and 500k. The next milestone will be 1m. David Cannon 21:21, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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- Besides, if we include 600K for English then shouldn't we include 300K and 400K for German and Japanese when those milestones occur? I say no. (And about the above example, it didn't have a 2K row either. That was before the table was completely standardized.) - dcljr (talk) 17:32, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Italian 50k milestone
It probably depends on what time zone you're in. David Cannon 5 July 2005 23:32 (UTC)
- What times are displayed on Newpages if you're not logged in? I thought they were always UTC, but I've checked a couple of 'pedias and they seem to be different. Anyway, that's what I always go by. - dcljr (talk) 7 July 2005 06:29 (UTC)
- I don't know. I always thought that if you're not logged in, the time displayed is your own browser time, but I could be wrong. David Cannon 7 July 2005 09:39 (UTC)
Static vs. live
The comment below is in response to my description of the List of Wikipedias at Meta as a "static" list in the Date of last complete update section at the top of this page. - dcljr (talk) 21:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
- No, Dcljr, the article counts on the list are updated practically every day. It's not static. --Node 14:17, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
- Are they not updated by humans? That's what I meant. They are not current in the same way {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} is current. For example, Swedish (sv:) is now at 95,492 according to their article counter, but the list at Meta says 95,296. - dcljr (talk) 19:38, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Removed Sanskrit
I've removed the Sanskrit entry in the 1,000+ section (it reached 1,000 articles on 10 October 2004) because it has dropped below 1,000 now. - dcljr (talk) 21:37, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
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