Talk:Milwaukee School of Engineering

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Contents 1 Material from MSOE website 2 Sources 3 AE Program Section 4 NPOV /Removed famous/notable graduates section

[edit] Material from MSOE website

Just a note to myself (and others) that part of the introduction, along with the History and Accreditation sections were provided by MSOE Webmaster Kent Peterson. [1] [2] [3] Sulfur 23:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

can anyone find a source for the statement that Brooks Stevens designed the logo? The link given doesn't seem to have the information, but gives the appearance of being a reference. 72.131.44.247 04:24, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Added citation needed tags. If no citations are added with 14 days, information will be removed. Kedlav 09:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Added citation.Edurant 22:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Great work finding the Brooks Stevens reference Edurant! Being familiar with his local works I felt it was factual but for the life of me couldn't dig it out of Google. 72.131.44.247 23:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AE Program Section

I removed the section "MSOE Architectural Engineering Program", which was more a section on the AEBC department than the AE program. Some of this information is redundant with the preceding section. More important, it seems out of place to dedicate a section to a department given the approach taken in the vast majority of university articles. Edurant 15:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV /Removed famous/notable graduates section

Removed famous/notable graduates section, as while the achievements of said alumni are something of an accomplishment, they are most assuredly not famous or well-known enough to warrant a reference on Wikipedia. A few other phrasings were changed, mostly relating to school history and the logo. It is important to note that Wikipedia articles are intended as informational references and not public relations. Kedlav 09:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The removed section I feel should be replaced. Well true that the famous/notable graduates may not be able to suport a Wikipedia article on their own, that does not mean that they have to pass the same test to be listed in this article. In fact the removale over rides an agreement of editors reached recently on who should be listed in said section. What are others thoughts?? TheRanger 14:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I replaced Finley and Schotz. I agree that the third name was likely not notable as there are hundreds of thousands of members of the ASCE and they are not all notable. However, we did come to some consensus on the other two and I think they should remain.

It is important to note that notable alumni do not have to be known by everyone in the world to be considered notable, and Finley does indeed have his own wikipedia biography and is a high-ranking member of the government. Cheers, PaddyM 18:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to discuss the net removal of Joseph Rencis further. When I added him, I thought that being elected a fellow (not merely a member) of the ASME is a sufficiently rare honor that he warranted an entry here. The grade of ASME Fellow [4] has been awarded only approximately 2600 times since 1944. The criteria are significant. [5] I agree that a lower standard of notability should apply to notable alumni than to having one's own article. Is anyone aware of applicable guidelines on the matter of notable alumni? Edurant 22:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Edurant on the issue of Joesph Rencis, not knowing much about ASME I looked into it on the web site. It is clear the status of fellow is a big deal and one that would be notable in this type of alumni listing. I would say go for relisting him. Also if you go on the fact that all of these issue were talked about before when we reached consensus on these issues he was listed at that time. TheRanger 15:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I added him back with an additional reference and a Wikipedia link to "Fellow". I think these add useful information and may reduce future concerns about appropriate notability when this section is edited.Edurant 23:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)