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[edit] Discussion archives
/archive1: Article creation through September 2006.
/archive2: September 2006 through February 2007.
[edit] Separate Music Article
We clearly need a separate article for music in Milwaukee similar to the one created for the neighborhoods in Milwaukee. The section has been plagued by numerous edits by people who want their favorite type of music featured and has caused it to become completely choppy. A separate article would not only allow those who want to feature a certian type of music to do so, but would reduce the length of the main article.--Illwauk 10:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- I agree.. perhaps the section could be broken out and combined with the piece from Music of Wisconsin#Milwaukee to Music of Milwaukee. Both sources could then give the usual short summaries with a 'Main article' tag. 72.131.44.247 02:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
- I just moved the entire music section to Music of Milwaukee to help shorten the main article. --Illwauk 16:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Extent
The infobox appears to indicate that Milwaukee exists solely within Milwaukee County. I think this is inaccurate, as from my understanding there are small (albethey "insignificant", cannot be classified as "irrelevant") extensions of the City into both Washington (a small "intrusion" into Germantown), and Waukesha (a small "intrusion" into Menomonee Falls) counties. Should not both counties be included, therefore, in the infobox? Tomertalk 07:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- I could see if we were talking about the Statue of Liberty and whether or not it was actually in New York or New Jersey, but nothing of any kind of significance is in those areas. All it would accomplish is confusing readers of the article who aren't familiar with the area. --Illwauk 20:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that the infobox would be the best place to mention that. For all practical purposes, Milwaukee is in Milwaukee County; however, a small note might be added to the geography section. (See "Only In Milwaukee County" discussion above.) -Nicktalk 00:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Nothing either of you have said bears any importance with respect to the issue. The fact of the matter is that Milwaukee protrudes into two neighboring counties. The extent to which either of those protrusions might be regarded as significant or otherwise, is completely irrelevant. This is an encyclopedia where simple matters of fact are presented, not filtered according to editors' perceptions of relevance are included. The infobox should state that the city extends into both Washington and Waukesha counties, and the relative unimportance of those extensions can be discussed in the geography section. Nick's suggestion turns the function of the infobox on its head, and Illwauk's statement reads like a paean in favor of WP:OR in contravention of WP:NPOV. Tomertalk 08:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- It should note all counties in the infobox, like with Atlanta, Georgia. Not a dog 03:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- Nothing either of you have said bears any importance with respect to the issue. The fact of the matter is that Milwaukee protrudes into two neighboring counties. The extent to which either of those protrusions might be regarded as significant or otherwise, is completely irrelevant. This is an encyclopedia where simple matters of fact are presented, not filtered according to editors' perceptions of relevance are included. The infobox should state that the city extends into both Washington and Waukesha counties, and the relative unimportance of those extensions can be discussed in the geography section. Nick's suggestion turns the function of the infobox on its head, and Illwauk's statement reads like a paean in favor of WP:OR in contravention of WP:NPOV. Tomertalk 08:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- My suggestion to leave the extra counties out of the infobox and mention them in the full article was a suggestion designed to facilitate readability. Yes, it is an oversimplification to say that Milwaukee is in Milwaukee county. It is true that Milwaukee exists within three counties, but (according to my calculations using the city of Milwaukee GIS website) 99.987% of Milwaukee is in Milwaukee county, 0.024% is in Washington county, and 0.099% is in Waukesha county. The mere statement that "Milwaukee exists in three counties" is likely to mislead readers, and my above comments simply asked to hold off on that info until it can be presented in more detail in the geography section. But that is just my opinion, and what I would do if I were writing an encyclopedia article. (An alternative would be to place a footnote in the infobox.) That being said, go ahead and list all three counties in the infobox. -Nicktalk 06:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that the infobox would be the best place to mention that. For all practical purposes, Milwaukee is in Milwaukee County; however, a small note might be added to the geography section. (See "Only In Milwaukee County" discussion above.) -Nicktalk 00:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with Nick and Illwauk. The fact that bits of Milwaukee extend beyond the borders of Milwaukee County is nothing but a footnote. Illwauk says it would confuse people who aren’t familiar with the area; I add that it will confuse people who are familiar with the area, too. The two other counties don’t need to be mentioned in the infobox. At most, use a footnote. If it’s going to be mentioned any more prominently than that, then we should be able to see the Washington and Waukesha territory on the map that accompanies the article. If that area is so small that it can’t appear on the map, then that’s a sign that it’s not important to mention.
- This is different from the Atlanta article. The city of Atlanta has non-trivial presence in Dekalb County. It operates schools there, for instance.
- Tomer, you’re arguing that facts should be included in this article no matter how significant they are. Relevance is of utmost importance. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Articles aren’t just piles of facts. They have to be filtered through editors. That’s what the editors are for.
- So far, Milwaukee’s three-county membership is nothing but trivia. Putting it in the infobox elevates that information’s status far more than it warrants. --Rob Kennedy 07:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- That Mwaki extends into two neighboring counties is neither "irrelevant" nor does it fall under the rubric of "indiscriminate information". "Elevates...more than it warrants"? That's your POV, which is indefensible grounds upon which to base an editing decision on WP. Tomertalk 02:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- If that is POV, it seems to be the POV of a good majority of people who edit this article. I'd say that the line from "POV" to "accepted fact" was crossed awhile ago. People in the city definetly don't consider themselves to be a part of those counties and vice versa (the way people in Waukesha Co. talk about Milwaukee, you'd think it was the 8th gate to hell!). As I said before, the only thing including those counties would accomplish is confusion, confusion and more confusion... which is counter-productive to the goal of wikipedia. --Illwauk 17:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Your say-so is not convincing me that including the other two counties into which Milwaukee extends "[will] only ... accomplish ... confusion, confusion and more confusion...". If anything is going to create confusion, it's going to be how Wikipedia can think of itself as a serious encyclopedia when it whimsically neglects to mention simple matters of fact. Creating confusion is certainly counter-productive to the goal[s] of WP, but I'm beginning to suspect that the only people who think including reality in the article is going to create "confusion", are people who, for whatever reason, simply don't like reality. If you don't want Milwaukee in neighboring counties, Wikipedia isn't the place to take up your activism, however...such activity should be reserved for City Hall. If you're that concerned about "confusion" (an utterly ludicrous "concern", IMHO), the place to clear up confusion is by means of footnotes. For the record, regarding the "Majority POV should rule" argument you seem to be forwarding, such a statement belies your stated concern about "the goal of wikipedia"... Regards, Tomertalk 23:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- If that is POV, it seems to be the POV of a good majority of people who edit this article. I'd say that the line from "POV" to "accepted fact" was crossed awhile ago. People in the city definetly don't consider themselves to be a part of those counties and vice versa (the way people in Waukesha Co. talk about Milwaukee, you'd think it was the 8th gate to hell!). As I said before, the only thing including those counties would accomplish is confusion, confusion and more confusion... which is counter-productive to the goal of wikipedia. --Illwauk 17:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- That Mwaki extends into two neighboring counties is neither "irrelevant" nor does it fall under the rubric of "indiscriminate information". "Elevates...more than it warrants"? That's your POV, which is indefensible grounds upon which to base an editing decision on WP. Tomertalk 02:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Segregation
I was just looking for information on Black-White segregation and found this:
http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=17340
It's extremely telling/interesting to me that Greater Milwaukee can be one of the most segregated if not THE most) segregated metro area, yet when you look at the city by itself it doesn't even crack the top 10. I don't have internet access from home, but I would hope that someone could find the information on the census website (where the poster claims to have found it) because this DEFINETLY needs to be noted in the article. --Illwauk 20:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I've been thinking about what you've said here, and I'm just not sure how it should be phrased in the article. It's already noted in the article that we have a "hyper-segregated" city (and it's sourced), so I'm not quite positive how adding another sentence about it would change anything. We'll have to do some more research and figure out how it should go in. Cheers, PaddyM 02:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I hope the changes I made clarify things. --Orange Mike 15:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- No. Your claim that after "white flight" things are different is unverified and uncited. Not a dog 21:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Cites provided --Orange Mike 02:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- No. Your claim that after "white flight" things are different is unverified and uncited. Not a dog 21:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- I hope the changes I made clarify things. --Orange Mike 15:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Images
Illwauk recently removed this image and replaced it with this one. I much prefer the former, since it is composed better, more aesthetic, better color, etc. Any consensus on reverting back to that image? Not a dog 22:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to agree. Cheers, PaddyM 00:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- I concur. --Orange Mike 01:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- I just added it back as the infobox pic since it shows the same basic things as the one that used to be there (Lake Michigan, First Wisconsin, Calatrava, etc.). The problem with lakefront pics is that it makes it look like Milwaukee has only one decent sized building (you'd never know that 100 E Wisconsin is MIL's second tallest when viewed from the lake). Although I believe that a lakefront pic is appropriate for the infobox, other pics in the article should show the city from different angles. I changed the lakefront pic with the park east pic because not only does it show downtown from another perspective (whereas the old one showed it from the same perspective), but it's one of the few pictures that does all of the taller buildings justice. On another note... was shouting out my name really necessary? --Illwauk 15:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Not sure what you mean by "shouting out" your name. I simply mentioned your name since you're familiar here (as oppsoed to a random edit by some anonymous IP).Not a dog 00:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see the point of mentioning who did it nor do I see how the familiarity of the people making edits should have make it any more/less relevant. Beside, anyone who makes regular edits to this article could find out that I made the edits if they really felt it that necessary. Essentially what you did (whether you meant to or not) is say "Let's get a consensus to tell Illwauk that his edit sucks!" --Illwauk 20:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Assume good faith and relax a bit; no one is out to get ya. Not a dog 23:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see the point of mentioning who did it nor do I see how the familiarity of the people making edits should have make it any more/less relevant. Beside, anyone who makes regular edits to this article could find out that I made the edits if they really felt it that necessary. Essentially what you did (whether you meant to or not) is say "Let's get a consensus to tell Illwauk that his edit sucks!" --Illwauk 20:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Not sure what you mean by "shouting out" your name. I simply mentioned your name since you're familiar here (as oppsoed to a random edit by some anonymous IP).Not a dog 00:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- In its current location, the Park East pic is fine, although in a perfect universe I'd like something similar shot from a low aerial vantage point. Thanks for the work you put into this. --Orange Mike 18:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I just added it back as the infobox pic since it shows the same basic things as the one that used to be there (Lake Michigan, First Wisconsin, Calatrava, etc.). The problem with lakefront pics is that it makes it look like Milwaukee has only one decent sized building (you'd never know that 100 E Wisconsin is MIL's second tallest when viewed from the lake). Although I believe that a lakefront pic is appropriate for the infobox, other pics in the article should show the city from different angles. I changed the lakefront pic with the park east pic because not only does it show downtown from another perspective (whereas the old one showed it from the same perspective), but it's one of the few pictures that does all of the taller buildings justice. On another note... was shouting out my name really necessary? --Illwauk 15:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I actually find the new image too bleak and amateur. I think the article will be better without it. Miaers 04:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- I hardly think encyclopedia articles are the place for collections full of shiny, photoshopped images either. Exceptions can be made for infobox pics, but the rest of the article should feature pictures with as little touching-up as possible. Besides, I don't think it's bleak at all. It's one of the few pictures that shows that Milwaukee has more than one tall building. --Illwauk 20:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
There is no photoshopping or touching-up here. I don't see many skyscrapers in your picture except a total mess. Miaers 21:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- You need to get your eyes checked if you can't see the three buildings that CLEARLY stand out above the rest of the city. You can also see parts of the iconic City Hall and the Chase Tower. Besides, as its been pointed out, YOU are the only one who has a problem with the picture. --Illwauk 21:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
You need to know that you are trying to replace the photo I uploaded for the geography section. A picture with the city and the river is perfect for this section. Please stop. Miaers 21:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Are you under the impression that simply uploading something give you some kind of guarantee that it'll be featured? Besides, if you want a picture of "the river" to be fatured (there is more than one river in Milwaukee), there are much better ones than the one you're uploading. Because pictures from the lake don't show the entire skyline, one which does should be featured in other parts of the article --Illwauk 21:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
It is a relevant quality picture. Anyway since you placed your photo for the pollution issue, I'll stop arguing. But pollution should be the issue during the early days of Milwaukee, not present. Miaers 21:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Whatever man. You're clearly dilusional and I'm done wasting my time trying to find the alleged lack of skyscrapers, pollution and talking leprechauns that you apparently see in that picture. And BTW, SustainLane ranks Milwaukee the 10th best city for green economy... so much for polution being such a big problem. I still think your picture isn't nearly as great as you seem to think it is, but sometimes you just gotta let the baby have its bottle. --Illwauk 22:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Oh. Man, I'll say there are only 3 tall buildings in your photo. Your picture is almost a dirty mess. If you want to show the green city part of Milwaukee, I think you are not uploading an appropriate picture. Also please don't make personal attacks. Miaers 22:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
This is ridiculous. In what way, I personallly attacked Illwauk? He is the one keep deleting the photo I uploaded. He is violating the 3 R. Jesus, some people are really delusional. Miaers 23:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Please pause to regain perspective, folks, regarding the purpose of ARTICLE talk pages... Tomertalk 01:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
This image suits much better for the present Milwaukee section than this one. Why was it replaced? If there is no diagreements, I will have them switched. Miaers 22:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- There are disagreements. You hate that image, but there is no justification for driving it off the article to suit your aesthetic preferences. Leave it alone already! --Orange Mike 23:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Whatever man, you'd be having the same hissyfit no matter where that picture was placed. You're just upset that a few users wanted it to replace the pic you've aparently developed an emotional attachement to. Besides, what is the point of having two pictures in the article that show the same basic thing? Yes I agree, pictures featuring the lakefront, the calatrava and the tallest building are a better reflection of present-day Milwaukee... that's why there's one in the infobox. Stop acting like the Park East picture is the bane of Milwaukee's existence when you're clearly the only person here who doesn't think it belongs anywhere in the article. --Illwauk 18:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Illwauk, I think Image:11057411 8d37e9dc35.jpg fits much better for the green city of Milwaukee and its efforts on improvements. It is not a lake front photo. If you don't mind, I would like to have it replace the picture you recently uploaded. Miaers 04:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- See... I know you're trying to be congenial given all the flack you've (correctly) gotten in here lately, but it doesn't matter if you ask me if you're just gonna replace the photo before I even get a chance to answer. I made a concession to you and moved my photo as to not replace yours thinking that would stop your whining, but I stand corrected. You obviously don't want the photo here (probably for no other reason than a few editors wanted it to replace yours) and you're hell bent on running it off the article. You couldn't possibly be more transparent. Now excuse me while I revert the image back to the one that NO ONE BUT YOU has a problem with. --Illwauk 22:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
The quality of your photo was questioned at the very beginning of this discussion. Image:11057411 8d37e9dc35.jpg is much better looking than Image:Milw skyline west.jpg. And I haven't seen any objections about it. Miaers 22:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Not only are you COMPLETELY misconstruing those comments to suit your agenda (people thought the lakefront pic that is now in the infobox looked better, not that there was anything wrong with the Park East pic). And 5 minutes is hardly long enough to claim that you "haven't heard any objections." Seriously dude... you are not gonna die a slow and painful death because the Park East pic is in the article... get a hobby! --Illwauk 22:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
You, Miaers, and only you, keep dumping on that picture. Nobody else in this entire discussion has a problem with it but you. You are not the center of the universe; you are not the sole judge of what is "correct" in Milwaukee-based articles. You are annoying me and every other editor who tries to do anything Milwaukee or UW-M related, with your multiple reverts and autocratic attitude. Your disrespect of Illwaukis particularly blatant and annoying. --Orange Mike 22:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think those who try to improve the article quality in Wikipedia and edit in a civil way should always be respected. :) Miaers 22:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Education photo
The last thing I wanted to do was get into the middle of this, but now I really need to point something out. In the education section, when someone replaced a UWM photo with a Marquette photo, the edit was reverted, and the edit summary said "rv POV" as if placing an MU photo promotes a POV. I restored the MU photo because it actually showed a building, and not just a statue in front of a building. Then, the same editor who feels that replacing a photo constitutes a NPOV violation did the exact same thing he/she was so opposed to: the MU photo was replaced with a copyrighted UWM photo. That is explicitly against wikipedia image guidelines. Both photos served a purpose, but the non-copyrighted image is always preferred on Wikipedia (in fact, the copyrighted image will likely be deleted by one of the image bots). If you are going to start some sort of edit war please at least stay within the rules. -Nicktalk 23:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- The POV is about the sequence of these two schools not the photo. Image:Chapman Hall.jpg is creative commons attribution now. There is no copyright problem. Miaers 03:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- So simply listing Marquette ahead of UWM when Marquette comes first alphabetically is POV? --Illwauk 22:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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- So, just so I'm clear in the future: as long as UWM is considered the best school in the history of man, its NPOV. Oh, well it all makes sense now. Also, Miaers is the only person editing wikipedia who is able to edit the Milwaukee article, as it seems that the rest of us are incapable of making appropriate edits. OK, it all makes sense now. And, you violated 3R again yesterday, but since you're allowed to do that, nevermind. Cheers, PaddyM 12:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I replaced the Golda Meir library (UWM) photo with the Raynor library (Marquette) photo for a couple of reasons.
- -The Marquette photo showed an actual building.
- -Marquette's campus is located in the heart of the city while UWM is tucked away into a corner that is literally across the street from the suburbs.
- -Since neither UWM or MU is all that concerned with serving the Milwaukee community (most of MU's students come from Illinois whereas most of UWM's come from Northern WI), I figured it would be better to feature Marquette since it has more national visibility (other than the Sweet 16 run a couple years ago, when has UWM ever brough national attention to Milwaukee?).
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- As far as my allegiances... I was a student at UWM, but I grew up watching MU hoops. If anything I stonger ties to UWM, but IMO, there's nothing on UWM's campus that's really worth featuring. Marquette at least has the Raynor and Joan of Arc Chapel. --Illwauk 22:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I really don't see how the library in Marquette is better than Golda Meir Library and it really doesn't matter whether there is a building or not, as long as it can represent the School. Besides the current photo is a building now. Both of these two schools are located within Milwaukee Metro. No one would consider that matters. Marquett is generally known as a small private Master degree college. Using a large public reserach institution here is more appropriate. And the UWM photo has been here for "centuries". By the way, UWM was nationally ranked as a top 10 for its close ties with and contribution to Milwaukee.Miaers 22:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- FYI, Marquette is a doctoral-granting research university, in the same category as UWM and UW-Madison. And, according to US News, MU is ranked 81st in the country, and UWM is ranked "fourth tier" (well below MU). As I said above, I have no connection to either school, but MU is the more nationally-respected school in Milwaukee. But, since there are only two major Universities in Milwaukee, why not feature pictures of them both? -Nicktalk 22:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
There are a lot of rankings. Using different standard, people have different rankings. Nobody considers Marquett as a research institution. Miaers 22:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- So decide... do rankings matter or not? Or does the answer depend on whether or not the ranking lends credibility to your POV? --Illwauk 22:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
In term of dominance of Education in Milwaukee, UWM is a much larger University than Marquett. Individual college and programs in UWM are ranked way better than Marquett. Miaers 22:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, Marquette's journalism and dentistry programs are some of the best in the country while UWM's pretty much only known for its architecture program. And you're absolutley insane if you think larger student enrollment translates into better education. --Illwauk 23:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Dude, I think you need to cool off. You don't know these two schools well. The ranking you said is not even mentioned in Marquett's article. I saw Marquette's ranking before. As I remenber, none of its programs is among top 20. Most of them are just mediocre ranking, no better than not ranked. Miaers 23:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Care to provide a link to this mystery source? --Illwauk 23:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Marquette used to put all its ranking at its website. Not any more. Miaers 23:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I managed to find Marquette rankings on its website. There is no that kind of ranking you mentioned. I think I need to modify my words b/c Marquette's nursing-midwifery was 13th (2004), dispute resolution program 11th (2007) and physical therapy 16th (2005). But its rankings are just not impressive. Miaers 01:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yea, because being ranked Top 20 out of literally hundreds of colleges in the US is completely insignificant /sarcasm. --Illwauk 13:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
That are only 3 individual programs. Other Marquett programs are mediocrely ranked. Marquette doesn't even have a single school or college ranked among top 50, while UW-Milwaukee has several schools in the top 20. Miaers 19:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- OK. Some basic internet searching shows that Marquette ranks 81st in the country according to US News. UWM remains unranked overall (using that same source). Checking the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel shows that, again, MU ranks higher as a doctoral-granting institution than UWM. So, Miaers, I'm not sure what your point is, but in this case, it seems that you are barking up the wrong tree. Cheers, PaddyM 20:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The problem with PaddyM is that s/he always repeats others. Why don't you repeat my previous reponse one more time. Miaers 20:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- "she"? As you've been told before, Irish called Paddy are Patricks, not Patricias. Let's see some civility here, especially so close to the blessed Saint's own day! --Orange Mike 20:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Park East Skyline Photo
Can we all agree that this photo has a place SOMEWHERE in the article? I ask because no matter where I place it, Miaers not only seems to think it has absolutely no business even seeing the light of day, but that every other editor agrees with him (which is awfully strange since a good number of editors seem to be directly opposed to nearly every edit he makes). I think that since most of the city's taller buildings can barely be seen from the lake that a photo that shows the full skyline should be somewhere in the article. I also believe that the cityscape section is a good place for it seeing as how it shows an actual cityscape. --Illwauk 16:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
And one last thing. Miaers, Milwaukee has more than one significant river. So please learn how to appropriately label your photos that are taken from "the river," thanks. --Illwauk 16:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Illwauk, your photo is probably the worst skyline photo ever. Besides, the cityscape section does't need a skyline photo anyway. Please stopy replacing the existing photo with yours. Miaers 16:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The current photo from across the river with the nice grass and iamges of downtown is much better than the one with the highways and snow in the foreground. Please stick with this one. Not a dog 22:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Funny photo
Illwauk is now staging another photo replacing war now. This time replace Northwestern Mutual buildings with an airplane. I find it funny. Milwaukee doesn't manufacture airplanes and there is nothing wrong with the previous photo. Miaers 21:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- Umm... Midwest Airlines is BASED OUT OF MILWAUKEE and is probably the company most closely associated with Milwaukee behind Miller and Harley. Not to mention that is has a greater presence both locally (Midwest Airlines Center ring a bell?) and nationally. Besides, airlines generally tend to have greater visibility than financial companies. --Illwauk 21:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
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- The airplane image Image:Midwest Airlines Boeing.jpg is protected by copyright and will be deleted. The point is moot. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 21:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
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Both of these two companies are headquartered in Milwaukee and have similar local and national fame. Miaers 21:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Illwauk, could you please make a discussion first, next time you want to replace a photo with something that you think is "perfect"? Miaers 21:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- Care to cite where I claimed it was "perfect" or are you just doing what you always do any repeating lies hoping they become the truth. --Illwauk 21:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- Or at least use an edit summary explaining why you're making the change. Adding a 2nd photo is one thing, but replacing another without explanation is less-than-preferred behavior. Thanks. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 21:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, I was in the process of doing just that and when I tried to save it, I got the editing conflict message. And if you would pay attention to the entire situation, you'd know that Maiers has developed a pretty notorious reputation over the past couple of weeks for "less-than-preferred behavior." Of course, you've got an axe to grind with me for whatever reason, so I can't say I'm suprised. --Illwauk 21:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't really care right now about "the entire situation", and I don't have an ax to grind. The final analysis, however, is that the image of the plane you uploaded was improperly tagged by you and is actually protected by copyright, and has no fair use rationale for use here. The image will be deleted shortly. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 22:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- Is that why you've been stalking my talk page at ridiculous levels? You're taking the "authority" you have for a VOLUNTEER position waaaaay too seriously. --Illwauk 22:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't really care right now about "the entire situation", and I don't have an ax to grind. The final analysis, however, is that the image of the plane you uploaded was improperly tagged by you and is actually protected by copyright, and has no fair use rationale for use here. The image will be deleted shortly. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 22:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, I was in the process of doing just that and when I tried to save it, I got the editing conflict message. And if you would pay attention to the entire situation, you'd know that Maiers has developed a pretty notorious reputation over the past couple of weeks for "less-than-preferred behavior." Of course, you've got an axe to grind with me for whatever reason, so I can't say I'm suprised. --Illwauk 21:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] History Section
The history section of this article needs to be trimed. Most of the contents had been moved to History of Milwaukee. Miaers 01:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Neighborhoods article
Like most of the "take it out of the full article" articles, this is information integral to the subject matter but too lengthy to be included in it. It doesn't belong in the "See Also" list. --Orange Mike 02:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sports Article
Yet another, "take it to the full article" creation. The sports section had become way too bloated to remain in the main article. I kept the infobox with the current teams and the reference to Marquette and UWM hoops. I'm still working on the sports article, but I plan to add references to the number of amatuer sports clubs in Milwaukee (Bavarians soccer, Bombers footy, Marauders semi-pro football, etc.) that would've definetly overextended the section in the main article. --Illwauk 17:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Leaving this message here since this is where all the action is at: There are now two mostly redundant sports related articles for Milwaukee: Sports of Milwaukee (created 12:41, 14 March 2007) and Sports in Milwaukee (created 16:11, 22 February 2007). I have proposed the former be merged into the latter, since "Sports in XXX" seems to be the preferred naming convention (see Sports in Chicago or Sports in New York City). Feel free to chime in here. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 19:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, just now noticed the message above on this very topic. Regardless, the new article should be deleted and merged. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 19:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Merge compelted, and extraneous page deleted. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 04:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
