Talk:Millionaire racehorses in Australia
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Good work on the list, but I do have a question about the list. What are the criteria?
For example horses like Delta Blues, Pop rock etc have won over a million dollars in prizemoney in Australia - no problems there.
However horses like Elegant Fashion won LESS than $1M in Australia ($842,600 to be exact)the rest was all won in Hong Hong..... If she is going to be included then what about horses like Subscribe who won $64,000 in Australia before being sold to Hong Kong and winning over a million as Vengeance of Rain? You could go even further - Silent witness never won any money in Australia (only a trial for David Hall) before being sold.
The criteria for inclusion needs to be consistent, this is an encyclopedia after all.
Keep up the Good Work (dark horse 06:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC))
Hey Dark Horse,
Good questions and I have certainly considered them before now. (It would be have been so much easier if Aus horses never ran OS and vice versa :) )
I guess the list could be broken down into:
1) Millionaire (horses) who won every cent in Australasia (obviously!)
2) Millionaires who mainly raced here but ran overseas as well (e.g. Sunline, Monopolize , Falvelon etc etc)
3) Millionaires who just visited from overseas. (Vinnie Roe, cape of Good Hope)
4) Millionaires who emigrated here after racing in another country (Jeune, Tawqeet)
5) Millionaires who started here and moved overseas (Elegant Fashion, Vengeance of Rain)
Category 1 is a cinch. I think every horse that was more or less trained in Aus or NZ but earned international prizemoney (Category 2) must be included. Of course a horse like Monopolize probably wouldnt make the list less his HK earnings. But I ultimately have him cos he was trained here and had the million plus purse. I really think it would be stupid to exclude such a horse or a hypothetical one which wins 700k here and then 350k in say, Singapore. (Hmm that sounds like North Boy.)
SO...if a horse can appear on the list despite having won less than a mill in Australia how can I exclude Elegant Fashion? Am I wrong to think of her as an ex-pat? Even then, ultimately, like North Boy, she raced in Australia many times and finished over the million mark. So at the very least I have to include Elegant Fashion. (I'd include VOR. I just haven't found his prizemoney earnings yet!)
The overseas visitors do raise some issues. Horses like Grandera (i think I should include) only won about 250k here. Horses like Habour Dues (in M&P's Cup) won less than 100k here. Then there have been horses like Oscar Schindler who (i assume) are millionaires, raced here but did not win one cent. Im still working out how to handle all this. I think including Oscar Schindler would be misleading. Certainly Elegant Fashion with almost a mill here can partially 'thank' Australia for getting over the million mark. I have put an asterisk against some such horses as EF and I will add a footnote about them. (The Millionare article is still a work in progress to some extent).
I think the best for criteria is :
1) a horse must have raced here and earned money. 2) the horse must have earned one million dollars or more.
Obviously that'd exclude Silent Witness. I guess Im ultimately looking where horses are / were trained. (I added "NZ" and "IRE" beside some names for thisreason.) Isn't SW considered unraced here? Wouldnt a horse that had 20 trials here but end up never racing appear in pedigrees etc as "unraced"?
Ultimaely I would have the above 2 criteria and leave it at that. (No horse in the list fails them, do they?) I think some horses need a little footnote. And I think it might be wise to have additional lists at the bottom mentioning Oscar S etc, who did race here but dont really have australia to 'thank' for their millions PLUS a list of notable horses who won less than one million (archer, gunsund, phar lap, tulloch, todman, bernborough etc etc) combined with those in the 900k's, so readers wouldnt keep commenting thatt God's Own, Reset , Hurricane Sky, Kaaptive Edition, Te Akau Nick etc etc should be on the list. But I havent got to adding this all yet
These horses I haven't found prizemoney for yet:
ambulance? subscribe (aka vengeance of rain)? cent home? romanee conti, kessem, happyanunoit, absolute champion aka genius and evil, mr vitality (different name in HK), three crowns / interval, desert eagle/ grand delight, did billet express or the HK Natural Blitz (by Maroof, i think) race here?
These horses are NOT millionaires:
la montagna (not quite), golden sword? (no)
hurricane sky (NO!!!)
our waverly star? darci brahma (not yet)
kaaptive edition? (no!)
alfa (no) ROSE OF DANEHILL (no) planchet (no( beaux art (no) MY EAGLE EYE (no) ASSERTIVE LASS (no) canny lass (no) TEMPEST MORN (no) miss zoe (no)
JOHAN'S TOY (no)
clay hero (no) LIGHTNING BEND (no) spanish mix (no) ARK regal (no)
LORD REVENIR (no)
sky chase (no) platin scissors (no) rose archway (no) hail (no) STARSTRUCK (no) BONANOVA (no)
STAR OF THE REALM (no)
royal code (no) bradbury's luck (no) media (no) nadeem (no)
UNDOUBTEDLY (no) benicio (n) redding (no) hotel grand (no) tristalove (no) AEROSMITH (no) marble halls (no) NORTHWOOD PLUME (no) reset (n0) niello (no) DELAGO BROM (no)
virage de fortune (not yet) FRENCH BRAIDS (no) arborea (no) cut up rough (no) mossman? (no) ruffles (no) econsul (no) anthems (no) boreale (no) dress cicle (no)
circles of gold? (no) dodge? NO
mr. bureaucrat (no) weasel will (no) king's chapel (n0) never undercharge (no) danelagh (no) dantelah (no)
mookta (no) telesto (no) BLACKFRIARS (no) PRIMUS (no)
TE AKAU NICK (no!)
shiva's (no) natski? (no) red dazzler (no) niello (NO) innovation girl (no)
kenwood melody? (no)
wrap around? (no)
sudurka (no)
rustic dream? (no) dracula? (no) tristanagh (no) stargazer (no) solar circle (no)
placid ark (no) HALF HENNESSY (no) emission (no) isca (no) grandiose (no) juanmo (no) ustinov (no) CAMARENA (no) miss pennymoney (no) OUR WESTMINSTER (no) lord reims (no) ponton flyer (no) sale of century(no) INAL FANTASY (no) groucho (no) quays (no) grander a (only won 250k here) POTRERO (no!) merrimbula bay? no royal creation? no livistona lane? no perlin (no) riverina charm (no) kapstaad way? (no!) moss rocket (no)
WILD IRIS (n)
RAIN GAUGE (n)
LA BELLA DAMA (n)
GIOVANA(n) fubu (n) dizelle (not yet) --The judge and jury 07:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
PURE THEATRE (n)
sound action (no)
[edit] $$$
What currency are these figures in and how has prizemoney been converted for those horses earning outside Australia??? (203.0.237.32 05:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC))
I have taken prizemoney earnings from ozeform.com, expertform.com and pedigreequery.com. I have made NO conversions - I have just taken what they have listed--The judge and jury 07:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Retired Horses
Regimental Gal is retired - was served by Redoute's Choice and foaled a filly 22/8/2006
Our Egyptian Rain is retired - has foaled a colt (to Good Journey) and is in foal currently to Redoutes choice.
Serenade Rose was retired after the 2006 Caulfield Cup, not sure who she went to at stud.
Courts in Session was retired after breaking down in the 2006 George Main Stakes.
Stratum is retired - currently standing at Widden stud and serving mares for $30,000
Patezza was retired after his poor run in the 2006 Tramway.
St Steven was retired after the trevor clarke steeple in 06 (and his earnings were AUD$2,038,180. )
Media Puzzle is definitely retired - he died!
Any of these should be able to be confirmed with a google search (dark horse 02:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC))
Good Luck!
[edit] more horses to add
have a look in hidden text in horses still racing subcategory--The judge and jury 10:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC) and Belle Bizarre and grey swallow--The judge and jury 10:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
