Talk:Milkor MGL

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Over the next little while I will be expanding this page to include information on the other versions of the Milkor MGL, including the USMC M32, which is technically different from the MK1. I also plan to move this page to a more appropriate title (such as "Milkor MGL"), and change the spec table to a shorter, simpler version (such as the one used at M203). Comments are appreciated! - Tronno ( t | c ) 00:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The work-in-progress page is here: User:Tronno/Milkor MGL - Tronno ( t | c ) 03:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The rewrite is done. I've scrapped everything but the final paragraph, replaced the table, and removed two unsourced images. Tell me what you think! - Tronno ( t | c ) 19:32, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Looks sharp. Nice job--Looper5920 21:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] milkor mgl

Very nice article but factually incorrect in a few instances.

The 40mm Multi shot MGL was indeed originally developed in South Africa. The design work was done by a project team from Armscor for the South African Defence Force more or less in the late seventies and early eighties. You can check this with a professor at the University of Stellenbosch, Danie Els - we believe he works in the Engineering Faculty and he wrote a masters thesis on the 40mm system in those years). Mr A.C. Piek was instrumental in the design and registered a patent with regard to it and was subsequently awarded the manufactuing rights. In later years a new company, Milkor (Pty) Ltd became the manufacturer in South Africa. Milkor was however never part of the original design team and neither was any patent registered in that name. You can check this with the South African Patents Office.

All patents with regard to the design lapsed some years ago and since 1998, a number of multi shot grenade launchers from countries such as Russia, Croatia, Bulgaria and Turkey were seen at international defence exhibitions.

Milkor (Pty) Ltd never had any marketing responsibility for the product. The weapon was developed for the South African Defence Force and the first sale was to the South African Defence Force through Armscor. As far as our knowledge is concerned, the company never subsequently sold any new weapons to the South African Defence Force after that first sale. This should be able to be verified with Armscor. it also never sold any weapons internationally.

International marketing and sales was done by Armscor in the years 1985 to 1991 by one Andre Louw (who was part of the original project team for Armscor). In 1991 the marketing was taken over by Denel and still done by Andre Louw in the Mechem division of Denel untill 1995. In this year Louw established a company called Milkor Marketing (Pty) Ltd and this company was responsible for exclusively and single handedly creating a market domineering position for the south African product - adding 20 new clients to the list of ten as in 1995. Export records for this product should be available with the South African authorities.

The development of the long cylinder version (Mk1L or MGL 140) was done by Mechem division of Denel in a project with the UK MOD and the project leader was a Mr Peterse.

If you do a check on patents and trademarks in South Africa today you will find no valid patents on the design of the MGL and you will find that the word "MGL" is a reistered trade mark in the name of Milkor Marketing (Pty) Ltd.

You seem to be very knowledgeable on the subject. The information you posted here should definitely be added to the main article, but please remember to keep edits NPOV, and cite sources for your info. - Tronno ( t | c ) 15:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colombian army?

Felipe i havent see a colombian soldier with the MGL, what I have seen is the guerrillas (idk if FARC or AUC) carrying it, in the common image of the news with a group of soldiers walking by a wired fence in the zona desmilitarizada (i have no idea how that goes) of caqueta--ometzit<col> 14:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)