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dispite shoudnt it say? in line 3 in paragraph "ancient china" ", depite the cultural challenge " s/depite/despite Foant

Why is this page protected?

Yea i wonder that too...Foant 21:08, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I was surprised to see that I could not edit this page to fix a spelling mistake. Why are we being locked out? (This remark was inserted on March 17, 2005)

I've unprotected this page since I couldn't find any reason why it was protected in the first place. — Dan | Talk 04:35, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I dunno.. maybe the Chinese government paid wikipedia to protect it to how they think history should be written?????? Just like history written in American text books, it's always the enemy who starts the war.. - Wh1t3 D3@th

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[edit] Wikipedia:Naming conventions (military units)

Forgive the spam, but I'm trying to round up wikipedians with an interest in international military history to help work out some conventions for the names of military units. If you are interested in that sort of thing, please visit Wikipedia:Naming conventions (military units) and join the discussions on the talk page. — B.Bryant 17:47, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Firearms

When did Western firearms start to become better than Chinese firearms? What dynasty and century? Zachorious 10:09, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I would say Qing. Exact date I'm not sure, but the Ming used firearms extensively against the Qing. Maybe 50-60% of the Ming army was equipped with firearms IIRC. -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 05:07, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Ming Dynasty, not Qing. Ming Dynasty (1300s-1600s)didn't have cannons, arquebuses or pistols, but by 1475 gunpowder projectile weapons had become the norm in Europe. -Chin, Cheng-chuan

they definately had cannon... and its not like arquebuses, muskets, or pistols could hold there own against light melee infantry, calvary, or well placed cannon, just europe was in love with heavy armor --1698 06:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

In the latter part of Ming Dynasty. The Chinese records on the imported Red Clothed Cannon (紅衣大炮 from Portugal clearly stated its superiority. See 明史 or articles related: Xu Guangqi, death of Nurhaci, Yuan Chonghuan etc. --AQu01rius 23:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

As far as I have read, the first firearm "guns" were created in China by the mid 1350s (a sort of hand cannon). It then made its way to the Middle East where Middle Easterners made the firearms better. From the Middle East it made its way to Southern Europe where the Europeans became the best firearm crafters in the world until the 1900s. Something like that I think. Zachorious 06:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stereotypes

We need to deal with stereotypes of Chinese military history on this article... examples include

  1. The One-Million-Peasant Horde
  2. The Fireworks-Not-Guns
  3. The Pacifist Chinaman
  4. The Spear-Wielding Primitive

Anyone up to it? -- Миборовский 03:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

PS. 5. The Yellow Peril Mongol -- Миборовский 03:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Hey can we find some pictorial representations of Chinese soldiers from different periods of history? I think it would really add to the article.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 07:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weapons and military technology

Please clarify in what way Chinese crossbows were superior. For example the strong double-bow arcuballistas were very unhandy compared to the strong arbalests of with steel prods of Europe and the composite prods of the Islamic world.

Bronze trigger mechanisms in Chinese crossbows. Other cultures did not have the bronze working ability to make triggers as fine.

Chinese contribution of the formula for gunpowder implies that the complete formula and the use of blackpowder in guns was first developed in China. This is disputed as the Islamic world and Europe have also claims and it is not yet clear who invented GUNPOWDER. What is evident is that saltpetre had its origin in China and mixtures of saltpetre and sulfur were exported for medical purposes. This can be modified to various forms of Black powder or other explosive and incendary mixtures (with naphta in Egyptian grenades during the crusades). The Taiping Rebellion did use muskets and did develop musket tactics. "The Chinese government thus systematically suppressed the development of early modern weapons systems." This has to clarify during what timeframes. Furthermore developments during the Yuan dynasty could be added, such as submarines and torpedos.

"Competition between European powers was far more involved in shock tactics in which speed was discarded for increased protection." Please make it clear of what timeframe you talk. The heavy knights for example did have protection instead of speed. Wandalstouring 09:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

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