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Although I don't agree with User:Andrew eagles' use of revert warring tactics in regard to this article (and I've given him a 24 hour block for violating the 3RR), I think he was correct to delete these two sentences: "Rinder oversees all overt and covert activities of OSA and subordinate organizations. He has a particular hatred for former members of the Church of Scientology, refering to them as "apostates" and "wackos"." They lack sourcing and the second sentence in particular seems to me to be very biased. Please don't restore them as they are; find sources if you can, and try to make them accord with the NPOV policy. -- ChrisO 00:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Oops, my bad. I saw that info was being deleted from AndroidCat and Fahrenheit451's edits and automatically assumed NPOV. I read the OSA article more thoroughly (and thus he would have broken the 3RR rule there anyway so I don't feel guilty for his block thankfully) but will take more care in future. Thanks Chris, _{ĢĿ€Ñ §τοĿĿ€Ŗγ}^Ť_č 00:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, since you have effectively copied those two sentences to the talk page for discussion and for an attempt to find sources, I won't restore them. I will, however, restore what else Andrew deleted in a supposed attempt to "remov[e] incorrect & misleading data" -- namely, every single external link the article had except the official biography of Rinder on www.scientology.org .

One of the links is mislabelled; it isn't a USA Today interview with Mike Rinder (though I think it does count as sourcing for the statement that Rinder calls former Scientologists "wackos": "Both expressed their dissatisfaction with previous coverage of Scientology by major media outlets, and they warned against what they perceived to be the unreliability of the faith's critics -- "the wackos," as Rinder described them." "Rinder dismisses Christman as a "wacko" and says her allegations are "absolute bullshit."" [1]) We'll probably want to look and see if we can find the original USA Today interview with Rinder, though. -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:42, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Mike Rinder was never a member of the Guardian's Office. I am sure you cannot find any citation to the contrary as it never happened. Elruhr 06:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)