Talk:Midwest hip hop
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I tried to clean this up somewhat, but it's still woefully inadequate. Not all midwest rap is speedy; Kanye West, Common, and Eminem are some popular rappers from the midwest that don't fit the description. Slicing 06:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Alliyah, Avant, and Sylena Johnson are not, nor were they ever Rap artists.--J. Daily 23:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What is distinctive about midwest rap?
What is so distinctive about midwest rap when compared to east, west and southern rap? Is there any distinctive stylistic differences which make it merit its own article, or is this just a list of rappers who live in the midwest? - Master Of Ninja 16:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- The midwest is characterized by fast paced rapping, and beside that is kind of like a mix between the south and west coast. A lot of it sucks, which is why it hasn't yet found its place on the map.--Urthogie 16:42, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I was just wondering if this was some "original research" or something. I'll probably get round to reading and adding to this article at some time. It's just that still some of the rappers in the list could be more associated with East or West Coast rap. - Master Of Ninja 06:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- You're right to say that the midwest hasn't much carved it out. I'm a midwest rapper myself and I'd take east coast hip hop or whatever any day over our scene. I really hope we develop something better than this dissonant twangy imitation of the south and the west. It's all good though, --Urthogie 09:29, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- Characterized by fast-paced rapping? As in Rhymefest, Kanye West, Common? Where is this ever stated or demonstrated? MOD 11:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Tech N9ne, Twista, Bone Thugs n Harmony.--Urthogie 12:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- How often to Bone Thugs actually rap really fast? As for everything else, you listed three fast rappers to three non-fast rappers. This doesn't characterize a region, this gives it variety. MOD 13:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- There are several movements in the midwest. The two main ones are those depressed singing/fast rapping bone thugs (in our locale you'd call them the naptown boys), and indie-ish shit like Kanye and Ant.--Urthogie 14:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Top-40 status is hardly indie. And who is Ant? The local rapper that nobody outside two zip codes has ever heard of? There needs to be conclusive proof of these "main" movements. I haven't heard of a single one of them being popular in the Midwest. MOD 16:07, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe some references, articles and websites would be nice to post to discussion to back up points, and to keep things a bit civil? - Master Of Ninja 16:52, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Top-40 status is hardly indie. And who is Ant? The local rapper that nobody outside two zip codes has ever heard of? There needs to be conclusive proof of these "main" movements. I haven't heard of a single one of them being popular in the Midwest. MOD 16:07, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- There are several movements in the midwest. The two main ones are those depressed singing/fast rapping bone thugs (in our locale you'd call them the naptown boys), and indie-ish shit like Kanye and Ant.--Urthogie 14:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- How often to Bone Thugs actually rap really fast? As for everything else, you listed three fast rappers to three non-fast rappers. This doesn't characterize a region, this gives it variety. MOD 13:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Tech N9ne, Twista, Bone Thugs n Harmony.--Urthogie 12:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I was just wondering if this was some "original research" or something. I'll probably get round to reading and adding to this article at some time. It's just that still some of the rappers in the list could be more associated with East or West Coast rap. - Master Of Ninja 06:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Definitely on my to do list, heh. The best way to apparoach this, I think, is by examining the interviews of the top 10 selling midwest rappers. And by the way, people have heard of "ant". For example, theres this emo-rap kid from Tajikistan in England here who loves midwest rap for its emoness. (I'm aware this isn't a verifiable source [which I'm planning on supplying soon], but it serves as a good example).--Urthogie 20:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- "the top 10 selling midwest rappers" You'd be lucky to get the top 5. " And by the way, people have heard of "ant"." Outside of Bloomington, Indiana? Severely doubtful. "theres this emo-rap kid from Tajikistan in England here who loves midwest rap for its emoness" There's this kid from Russia in Indiana here who deems classification of an entire genre by a singular trait (is it emoness or rapping fast now?) pointless. What's still not supplied is a single shred of evidence to verify that Midwestern rap's trends are/aren't either "emoness" or rapping fast. MOD 21:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'll find a way of verifying this. Feel free to stamp it with a {{originalresearch}} or {{notverified}} tag in the meantime. --Urthogie 07:22, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- "the top 10 selling midwest rappers" You'd be lucky to get the top 5. " And by the way, people have heard of "ant"." Outside of Bloomington, Indiana? Severely doubtful. "theres this emo-rap kid from Tajikistan in England here who loves midwest rap for its emoness" There's this kid from Russia in Indiana here who deems classification of an entire genre by a singular trait (is it emoness or rapping fast now?) pointless. What's still not supplied is a single shred of evidence to verify that Midwestern rap's trends are/aren't either "emoness" or rapping fast. MOD 21:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Definitely on my to do list, heh. The best way to apparoach this, I think, is by examining the interviews of the top 10 selling midwest rappers. And by the way, people have heard of "ant". For example, theres this emo-rap kid from Tajikistan in England here who loves midwest rap for its emoness. (I'm aware this isn't a verifiable source [which I'm planning on supplying soon], but it serves as a good example).--Urthogie 20:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Ant is one half of Atmosphere. People know him. -puppetrevolt
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I edited the page, hop[e to resolve the confusion. Is anyone still following this wiki ?
[edit] Geography or style?
isn't Midwest hip hop a term that is based on geography rather than style? Just like there isn't just one type of east coast or west coast hip hop? Wathiik
The only thing that makes it Midwest, is its location in America (What is Canada even doing on this?). These outrageous generalizations should be deleted ASAP. This has got to be one of the worst wikis ever.--Chuck watson 12:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
