User talk:MichaelJLowe

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[edit] PT Platinum Ceramics Industry

Easy fixed. I've deleted the article once again, and protected the article space against recreation. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Cheers.-- Longhair\^talk 08:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bandung

If I sit on WP:3RR, then could you help me out with this article? I still safe at this moment, I think. — Indon (reply) — 12:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Malay world

More fun: [1]. Merbabu 01:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bingung

Hey, should we be putting general Indonesia related messages here on the Notice board [2], or on the Indonesia project discussion page.[3] We should choose one.

Also, i have a number of books (mostly history) on Indonesia. Should I list them in the useful resources list? Merbabu 04:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia failing pagge

Liked your comments on that page. I have long argued for a sort of 'trust' system that allows people who have done good work and edge over the vandals and (worse) the well-intentioned but incorrigibly bad editors. Dbuckner 18:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I think what is needed is a more comprehensive study on the state of wikipedia article quality, vandalism, etc. My gut feeling is that a multi-level trust model is the best way forward, but exactly how to structure it would need a lot of thought and discussion. I notice a few people on that page suggesting similar concepts; maybe it's worth setting up a Wikiproject to do a more detailed study and put a proposal together? (MichaelJLowe 10:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC))

(Trying to comply with guideline I just learned of keeping conversations on the page where opening of conversation took place). I think a model would be relatively easy. The hard bit is persuading the vast majority of WPians that Wikipedia is not in fact the success story most people think it is. The problems tend to be in areas where domain expertise is required, but of course that is where it is hardest to identify a problem in the first place, because 99% of people or more are not domain experts, and fail to spot any problem.

I was thinking about an an essay which analysed a specific article and showed up all the flaws, together with hard data on the edits which were causing the flaws. I could easily do this for Philosophy - I think it would need a few more hard-hitting examples from other areas to prove it. But then people would claim conflict of interest. What is really really needed is a domain expert (say famous philosopher, historian &c) to say it is rubbish. Then publicise the fact far and wide. If we get even 50% of the people here to acknowledge there is a problem, then you have solved the problem. It's not enough to devise solutions to something that no one acknowledges exists in the first place. Dbuckner 11:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Nah domain experts will never work on wikipedia - citizendium is trying to take the slack in that area - i reckon the only way to save lots of time on wikipedia would be registered users only editing - it would reduce times wasted with vandalism and idiocy by a huge scale... Satu Suro 11:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm certainly not advocating domain experts, and I believe Dbuckner isn't either (correct me if I'm wrong). I think we just need a model to provide full editing access to people who have been around long enough to prove themselves, and more restrictive editing access for everyone else. Of course the trust model could be setup so that for some articles, maybe the "core" ones, domain experts do have editorial oversight. (MichaelJLowe 11:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC))

I think a few case studies on individual articles would be a good start. It should be done for an important but poor quality article like Philosophy, but also some which have already been rated GA or FA to understand what happens to these articles on a day-to-day basis. Another very useful case study would be a whole wikiproject and the articles underneath it. I would highly recommend the Indonesia wikiproject which has a handful of regular editors, a large number of articles (>1500), and an infinite supply of vandals and other bad contributors. Quantifying the cost /benefits of allowing IP based editors and new users is important. (MichaelJLowe 12:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC))

Time spent reverting vandals on indonesia, and krakatoa - would be good start for instance... Satu Suro 12:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] self citing

Thanks for that it fitted perfectly! We need his help - if he has what i suspect he has to hand! Satu Suro 04:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the links and comments

I digested these. Having thought about all of this over the last few days, and having just noticed that the Philosophy page has just been protected from unregistered users, can I offer the following thoughts

Generally, it's a bad idea to tackle theological issues head on. That's why they are theological issues.
My knowledge of church history suggests that the resistance-free way forward is not to challenge any basic principles, but proceed by exceptional cases to establishing precedents, until the precedents are so well-established they have now become a principle. For example, it is becoming increasingly the norm that articles attacked by vandals get semi-protected. This is acceptable to the theologians, because it doesn't contract the basic credo that anyone can edit an encyclopedia. It is acceptable to those who want to write a good encyclopedia.
The Ludvikus case has shown us that someone can get (in effect) banned without too much bureacracy. The way forward there is to educate good editors in the most effective way to ease other problem editors out of office, using this as precedent.
Another good thing would be to form lists of names of like-minded people.
Also to get more admins on side. In fact, start putting forward names of solid people as admins.
Finally, perhaps, to make more use of emails. All good cabals operate in secrecy, rather than emblazon their tactics in public places for all the world to see. As I am doing here.

If you have any names of good people that you know of, send them over. Meanwhile, the excellent 'Failing' article is a good start. Best

edward (buckner) 11:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesia

It would be more pleasent if you decided to remove the slur that I have some kind of 'agenda' against Indonesia or its people; if you on the other hand have some reason you feel the Indonesian military and its affects upon the people of Indonesia should be excluded from Wikipedia I would welcome hearing that.

Personally I have dozens of Indonesian friends, and I have never found any of them to be as protective of the Indonesian military; even people who have initially spoken in political forums in defence of current Indonesian sovereignty claims or other policies have with only one exception (a gentleman calling himself "Proudto beIndonesian") with-held further opinion until they could study and further explore the presented information.

National blind-spots is not an unique situation, every country has a certain amount of blindless about some of their history - as an example both Australia and the United States do not help anyone document mistreatment of indigenous populations in the late 19th and early 20th century; people prefer to imagine 'wrong doings' were at least an issue of another age of the 'wild west', or somebody else's doing. But back on subject of Indonesia, I have found most Indonesian scholars quite reasonable and generally look at new information as a new opportunity to expand their understanding of a subject they already expressed an interest in. If you do share an interest in Indonesian hostory I hope you have or will read Dahm and Penders as well as any periodicals of the day, you will see that what Legge wrote doesn't match up with a number of periods.58.107.15.245 14:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response.

I'll leave some references on your discussion page if that's O.K. (the references I leave on the Indonesian discussion pages keep disappearing, I suspect before other people have a chance to review). These are just some references I can find online quickly:

Statement by Sergio Vieira de Mello, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights - Regrettably, I remain skeptical that current activities will achieve this goal. Where resolution and a certain degree of ruthlessness would seem to be required, we are witnessing hesitation and prevarication. As many of you are aware, at the request of the Indonesian authorities I sent a small UNTAET delegation to attend a disarmament ceremony in Atambua on 24 September, attended by Vice-President Megawati Sukarnoputri, Minister Yudhoyono and a large array, of senior TNI and police officers. On the departure of the Vice-President and her delegation, the well-known suspect of crimes against humanity Eurico Guterres appeared in the midst of the police compound in which the ceremony had been held. He proceeded to incite his followers and, several militia members reclaimed some of the very weapons that formed the raison d'etre of the ceremony, unimpeded by the very numerous TNI and police presence. Subsequently, he and several hundreds of his followers agitated in and outside the station while my colleagues were hidden under armed protection in a room at the station for their own safety.
Australian Financial Review aticle - But let's not completely canonise SBY. Before formally entering politics he was essentially a New Order military figure who held key positions during some of the more unsavoury episodes of that time, and after Soeharto's fall.

He is also believed to have played a role in planning the infamous 1996 military-backed crackdown on Megawati's opposition party headquarters in Jakarta, in which at least five of her supporters were killed and 23 went missing.

And he served as the military's key policy maker while the Indonesian military oversaw a ferocious killing spree in East Timor in 1999.

Then last year, as Megawati's chief minister for security, he helped plan the military's brutal assault against separatists in Aceh, a futile war that is still raging almost 12 months later.

To his credit, SBY led efforts for months to negotiate with the separatist rebels in a bid to to avoid full-scale conflict, but he then oversaw the launch of the Aceh offensive without an exit strategy.

I'll give give you just the links in future, and will try to find some time over next few days to do so. All Best.58.107.15.245 06:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Apology I haven't had time for Wikipedia for the pass few weeks after all, with all these government actions regarding TNI over the pass few weeks I have lost the little spare time I did have. But I see what you were saying about government officials and military officers.

The western use of those words certainly would infer the military didn't by law control a third of the seats of government, and in western societies the opinion of the Generals may not be a major political issue. But in Indonesia the Generals own most of the private sector, and other companies including Bechtel and Freeport McMoRan and Exxon etc. can only operate in the provinces so long as they maintain good relations and continue to use the kind offer of security services by the various TNI officers. As for newspapers and the TV, while people may privately think or say something, it is not a wise editor who would be impolite about his betters, or invite his place of business to suffer a overnight act of random violence; not if you hope the police/TNI will be able to stop such problems in the future.

You may be unfamiliar with Indonesian voting style where voting stations are protected during the poll by local TNI troops. Last year SBY promoted General Suharto as a national hero during his hospital visits, maybe in deference to 1) his service to the people, 2) his popularity among the Generals and troops, 3) his $3b in personal overseas bank accounts and $100b's in family corporations and assets.

As for the people, you may have seen news reports of the recent floods or the erupting mud? Seen video of people living in Jakarta's shanty towns, and compare those with Jakarta's wonderful skycrapers of glass and polished metal exteriors. How much influence would you imagine those people would have with the owners of those skycrapers? - That may be a point of reference that is helpful for you.

Anyway, I'll leave it at that. I don't want to spend more of my time on it either - nothing I can say or do or point to is going to change the desire of those writting the articles. I hope we both have better things to spend our lives on.

All Best

:)58.107.15.245 05:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

You said: Anyway, I'll leave it at that. I don't want to spend more of my time on it either - nothing I can say or do or point to is going to change the desire of those writting the articles. I hope we both have better things to spend our lives on. :)58.107.15.245 05:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

that's not entirely true. Over at Talk:Indonesia (and from memory subsequently on your userpage) i offered suggestions about how you could contribute on a couple of specific points. (Although, yes it is true i disagreed with you on others). From memory, however, your response was to ignore what had gone before and offer more information. Merbabu 05:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sukuh

Ah, thank you. One intriguing and interesting candi, the only one with 'explicit' relief, in Java. Thanks. — Indon (reply) — 10:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project

I presume you saw my talk at merbabus talk - I dont think red link isp editors with no sign of joining up with anything have a place in the process? They should at least show their noses? yeah ? Satu Suro 10:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Good one! In that case if they want to do it again - they better get it right ! cheers Satu Suro 10:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry forgot to let you in on talk at indons last night - i am currently tagging every category and sub category in the Indonesia project (should be done by the weekend) as ameans of taking stock of things - - cat talk pages with wp indonesia class=NA -- and its a good way to see where some categories need to be advertised for more arts/worked on/removed/changed etc - if you have ay thoughts - please let me know... will let you knowmore as i get through them... cheers Satu Suro 04:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

so far at Category: Non-article Indonesia pages Satu Suro 04:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation request in Indonesia

I'm trying to do some polishing to Indonesia. I think it was you who placed the citation requests in the religions section. Were disputing it or just felt it need to be cited? Any thoughts/suggestions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Merbabu (talk • contribs) 13:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Malay dab...

Hi Michael

I tried to organise the Malay dab page. Ie, i chucked in a few headings. maybe you want to polish it up a bit but I'm fairly sure it is in the right direction with such groupings. As fellow engineer, you will understand the uncontrolable urge to categorise everything - unlike our humanities man, SS ;-). Merbabu 05:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

So who is doing the big category check- :0 - i did work at fisher library a very long time ago thanks!Satu Suro 01:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Indonesia - February Newsletter

Hello there! Please click here for the latest edition of the Wikiproject Indonesia Newsletter.

We hope it gets you interested in the some aspect of the project. Please contact Indon or Merbabu if you have any comments or suggestions (or do not want to receive this newsletter). regards Merbabu 08:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Indonesia-related articles

Some time ago when I was trying to categorise the History section of this page (no, not finished yet) I questioned where exactly we should list articles on historic people. Eg, say Gadjah Mada? Under People or under the relevant history sub cat (in this case under Majapahit). I decided that under the History section was best. But then there are more contemporary figures like Bung Tomo or even Sukarno. I still think they should go under the history section, under their particular sub-section. That would leave the ‘People’ section only for contemporary figures. What do you think?

Heheh part of this all relates to the nightmare category thing that i'm trying to muddle through at the moment - the genius of a day or so ago created the suharto category. The really big problem is categories with lower family numbers - the cfd external harrassment type eds seek out empty and less than 20 as a sign of potential cfd candidates... sigh Satu Suro 22:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ism

I have put a message at the three talk locations for the project - i do think its a project wide issue - would appreciate any comments on or offf Satu Suro 23:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

lol - 3 messages. We really need to work on getting a single central board and direct all comments there either with a note and link or even a auto redirect. Merbabu 23:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Air related?

[4] Merbabu 06:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

That would explain the sulawesi loss? Satu Suro 06:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Campaignbox al-Qaeda attacks

Template:Campaignbox al-Qaeda attacks has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --— Indon (reply) — 15:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] David York

Australians 'murdered' in Indonesia despite $1 billion in aid. The guy is out of control. I thought I was monitoring that article carefully, yet things slip in all the time. I've left a note on his talk page about OR. Also, have a look at his contribs.Merbabu 07:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Agrees, he is a POV pusher. Becareful. — Indon (reply) — 09:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] President Yudhoyono and Indonesian Military

"a democratically elected leader." and only "exercising their orders as part of military chain of command" - that's your definition of his actions as a Minister in Megawati's government when he had the TNI destroy most of the schools and hospitals across Aceh? Or was he exercising the orders of the same ethical organisation whose actions Foreign Minister Malik even in 1968 described as "Current situation is far from satisfactory and deteriorating, just as it has to the west of West Irian [West New Guinea] in Ambon where bad administration has been root cause of outbreaks of what in effect was gang warefare between military elements engaged in smuggling and other corrupt practices."

Of course Ambassador Green's opening statement is also quite telling, "I asked Malik about this. He said he was strongly urging interior Minister Basuki Rachmat to introduce major reforms in administration of West Irian, STARTING with the withdrawal of one-half of 10,000 troops now stationed there and involving remaining 5,000 in civic action activities that would help develop positive support for GoI amongst Irianese. TEN THOUSAND are NOT neededed there. They are a drain on Indonesia and especially on overstrained West Irian Economy. They devote no time to helping people but merely attend to their own wants and comforts (such as they are)."'

How is that plan for troop reduction coming along? How about the civic improvements? The descriptions sound mighty similar to today's. Unless you are saying the US Dept. of State is telling lies about the TNI; Human Rights Practices - 2004 Security forces continued to commit unlawful killing of rebels, suspected rebels, and civilians in areas of separatist activity, where most politically motivated extrajudicial killings also occurred. There was evidence that the TNI considered anyone its forces killed in conflict areas to have been an armed rebel. Security forces also committed nonpolitical extrajudicial killings. Human Rights Practices - 2003 The security forces continued to employ unlawful killing against rebels, suspected rebels, and civilians in separatist zones, where most of the politically motivated extrajudicial killings occurred. There was evidence that the TNI considered anyone its forces killed to have been an armed rebel, particularly in areas where the TNI had announced an operation and told all civilians to leave. The security forces also committed numerous extrajudicial killings that were not politically motivated. The Government largely failed to hold soldiers and police accountable for such killings and other serious human rights abuses. Human Rights Practices - 2002 The security forces continued to employ harsh measures against rebels and civilians in separatist zones where most politically motivated extrajudicial killings occurred. The security forces also committed numerous extrajudicial killings that were not politically motivated. The Government largely failed to hold soldiers and police accountable for such killings and other serious human rights abuses.

Personally I suspect the slaughtering of a half million Javanese in 1965/66 was ample evidence of a military regime with little regard for law or the people, jailing tens of thousands of as political prisoners for over a decade might also indicate such. But if you want to believe all that and more came from the top, from the 'evil' President General Suharto, and that the TNI is a peace loving law obiding organisation with no conflicts of fiscal interests in Banks, cement factories, constructions companies, forestry and milling companies, etc. etc.

Personally I don't think Suharto was 'evil', just trained as a military officer in Sukarno's militia carrying on the traditions established from 1942 to 1946 when the militia units were self-funding. That By The Way, is not the basis for a democracy, being allowed to vote for the Communist Party in the old Soviet Union, Saddam in Iraq, or the TNI candidate in Indonesia is not the same thing as democracy - even if it were; a democracy does NOT have a moral authority to colonize other nations irrespective whether that democracy is Nazi Germany or the Republic of Indonesia. The two times the Javanese people were allowed anything approaching self-rule were 1) the United States of Indonesia, and 2) President Wahid. It is sad that too many people assume the Indonesian public can not be trusted and must be kept under the thumb of the TNI Generals and their US corporate partners.58.107.15.245 00:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Hahaha, you become now de facto Indonesia's public relation person. :D — Indon (reply) — 11:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Receiving something like that on your talk page you are a very gracious and polite editor michael (oops I was looking at thelast post (sic!) and not the header of the talk page) - just as well it wasnt on my talk page I'd be off to an admin re harrassment and nuisance editing! Satu Suro 12:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] German

Should be language thingies - try google - will let you know if i can find one Satu Suro 14:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC) http://translation2.paralink.com/ and about 10 others on the first page Satu Suro 14:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. This was a last resort, since machine translated text is often unintelligible and comical. (MichaelJLowe 15:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC))

Bit like the larger talk items on this page. Satu Suro 15:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC) one way would be to do it both ways to see what happens !Satu Suro 15:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Tried that already, and it wasn't good. I've emailed both the machine translated text and the original english, so we'll see what happens. (MichaelJLowe 15:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC))

Sorry couldnt be more of a help ... Satu Suro 12:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sunday evening

Theres an item raised on email - that might need to stay off talk pages for a while - but would be good to get a response... Satu Suro 12:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Andalas University

hi! thanks for the correction re coords. do you have a logo of Andalas University? I think it is better to put the logo inside the infobox just like the others instead of the university's photo. I labeled this university as part of the WikiProject Universities and there is a sample of a University Infobox format in there. Thanks! Fddfred 07:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] earthquake

hope you dont have in laws?rellies in there Satu Suro 10:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

syukur, what a relief, my wife lived just 4km from the mouth of merapi of jawa tengah for almost two years during a quiet time Satu Suro 10:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

When she was on side of merapi they would have small ones all the time (typical of merapi within a distance of up to 7- 8 km from peak) - here in perth we had the Meckering, Western Australia and Cadoux, Western Australia earthquakes - the shaking was quite something - the recent Bantul one looked as it it was all the worse because of the very poor standard architecture - disco is quite an apt description for ones that dont do the full rock and roll... Satu Suro 10:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually when we were living in Darwin -just before a banda sea earthquake was recorded - the most amazing time was when hundreds of the rapid creek cockroaches started climbing up flywire on our windows - before the quake was actually registered! Satu Suro 11:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Merbabu has been following all this and offered his sensitive and cultured and refined humour in a clearly central javanese version of all this... Satu Suro 11:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] looks like burst tyre?

http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?at_code=396396&no=348947&rel_no=1 looks like the first one with this line Satu Suro 14:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC) thats two sep refs - could you put itin - i'm stuffed for time at the moment. Satu Suro 14:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Malaysia

Hey!

Yes, I am always interested in such project. However, while interested, I am unable to commit to it as I am busy with work at the moment and I am spending less and less time on Wikipedia. But you should go ahead with it. __earth ^(Talk) 05:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] M Project

How's the Malaysian project? — Indon (reply) — 09:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesian language...

What do you think of this edit? [5] Merbabu 20:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To the West Sumatra

		The Barnstar of National Merit
		I just browsed through all the regions, regencies, cities, lakes and I found barely no redlinks! I think that West Sumatra is the best and the highest quality of Wikipedia articles from all Indonesia regions. Well done. — Indon (reply) — 16:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Air

Wow, thanks so much for the link. I guess this is probably the end for Adam Air, then - good riddance! They sall not be missed! Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 17:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Malays (ethnic group)

Is the disputed tag in this article still required? Merbabu 05:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Its not essential, but given the people who have been editing it I'm not confident the facts are verifiability correct. Feel free to remove if you want. (MichaelJLowe 19:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Batak

Why do you feel strongly against a short disambiguation message to let the reader know that there is a Batak (Philippines) and a Batak (Indonesia). I know that disambiguation tags like {{distinguish}} can seem a bit overzealous for those in know, but I believe (at least in this case) that it may be of benefit to those who may confuse the two. In what way does that dab message spoil the article? In any case it does not remove, but add valuable information. --Ezeu 20:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Province infoboxes

Thanks, you are the infobox king! --Bwmodular 13:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Location map/Temp

Please have a look at Template:Location map/Temp. The problems seems to be solved. We are waiting for your OK. --Obersachse 16:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

(1) Could you say what do the "top" and "bottom" do and give me an examples? (2) Template:Location map/Temp/Infobox has the replaced map and it works. — Kalan 17:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. — Kalan 18:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm now ready to change both location map and infobox city templates. If you do nothing in 15 minutes, I'll do it. — Kalan 07:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Finished. Please do not revert it back, try to fix this version if anything else happens. Or write me. — Kalan 08:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] push pin map

It looks like the problem with the caption may have been fixed, but it reminded me to ask you something. Could give some simple directions on how to use the push pin map for infobox city in the table at Template:Infobox City/doc? I am not familiar with its use. Thanks, —MJCdetroit 17:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I was a little confused because the USA map doesn't (or didn't) seem to work correctly—it puts (or put) the dot in the Gulf of Mexico. I informed User:Obersachse so hopefully it works better now. —MJCdetroit 00:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you look at some of the changes that I made to the pushpin map parameters at Template:Infobox City/Test? I was trying to make the pushpin map size and captions more independent of the default map in case both maps are shown. Also, is it normal for the dot to not be "on the mark" if the mapsize is small? —MJCdetroit 03:22, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with your changes, except for one minor thing. The mapsize parameter allows numeric sizes of the form Xpx or X (where X is a numeric value), whereas the pushpin_mapsize only allows a size of the form X. I've therefore changed the pushpin_mapsize implementation so that it doesn't fall back to the mapsize parameter to avoid any confusion. I think this was the reason why your marker was not positioned correctly - you had specified 275px instead of 275. In light of this, maybe its also best to remove the fall back for the pushpin_map_caption parameter as well to ensure consistency? (MichaelJLowe 12:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC))

Ok that makes it a little clearer, thanks. I changed the live template based on your changes to the test template. —MJCdetroit 16:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adityawarman image

Hi, I'm responding your message from March 3rd in the wikiproject Indonesia discussion page. I do speak German. Just leave your message in my discussion page and I'll translate it for you. Acaramoy 06:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Memory of NL

wow, that's really a big discovery to find old photos. thanks. — Indon (reply) — 11:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

thanks, I've seen that site, but the photos are low res I believe. — Indon (reply) — 15:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UM

i got to get off - but looks like Tanjung Pinang enthusiast needs a welcome and a bit of help... I will be back on about 4 hours from now - just in case you are feeling helpful... otherwise I will then.. Satu Suro 04:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

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