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Contents 1 Discussion 2 http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/622/MickeyMantle.html The Mick and a Miracle] to personify "The Mick" 3 MMHomeRunsList.htm 4 Movie Credits 5 GA Re-Review and In-line citations 6 GAR 7 GA delisted 8 Should add the following

[edit] Discussion

An event mentioned in this article is a September 10 selected anniversary.

A paragraph recently added to this article claimed that a film with the bizarre title Famous Yankees Player: A Mickey Mantle Story is due for release in 2007 from Disney. Attempting to check the title and the spellings of the people involved, I find that I can't find any WWW evidence outside of Wikipedia to say that the project even exists. This includes general Google searches, Google News searches, and searches on disney.go.com. Likewise, none of the names listed in the paragraph are established actors/directors according to imdb.com.

The linked-to Wikipedia page which is supposedly providing further details about the film is riddled with bizarre spellings and states "facts" that would most likely not be known until after the movie was made.

I think this whole thing is a fake. I've deleted the paragraph from this article; obviously if someone can confirm that the movie project exists, then they should put it back. On the other hand, if it's a fake, then the other page should also be deleted.

--Anonymous, 04:20 UTC, September 10, 2005

[edit] http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/622/MickeyMantle.html The Mick and a Miracle] to personify "The Mick"

Guyfl and sockpuppet, 68.201.28.24 , please refrain from adding spam links to this article. I would suggest you read the External links style guide for Wikipedia, particularly, Links to normally avoid. Thank you. Yankees76 21:14, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I would also toss in http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/art_hr.shtmlas source information for the distance of the homeruns. The information within seems to be credible.

[edit] MMHomeRunsList.htm

A complete list of Mickey Mantle home runs year-by-year can be obtained using the Wayback Machine and searching the heading above, or with the direct link: http://web.archive.org/web/19990417033756/http://www.themick.com/MMHomeRunsList.htm

[edit] Movie Credits

Mantle appeared in Safe At Home! and That Touch of Mink, and has 21 IMDb credits.

[edit] GA Re-Review and In-line citations

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[edit] GAR

Mickey Mantle is currently up for Good Article Review. Those that want it to remain a GA may want to look at suggesstions to show their case at this time. --Wizardman 16:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA delisted

As per the Good Article review on this article, it has been delisted with a 5 to 0 vote, primarily for weak writing and a too-short lead, and lack of references. Review archived at Wikipedia:Good articles/Disputes/Archive 12. Homestarmy 22:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, a lot of baseball fans got tired of the overkill regarding Mantle. Just because he played for the Yankees doesn't mean he desevered all the attention he got at the end. I know a lot of baseball fans who got tired of Costas and his hero worship of Mantle. Mickey himself said he was a jerk.

None of this is encyclopedic, it's simply your original research, speculation and personal opinion. Yankees76 05:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should add the following

One of the mysteries about his career is the flat spot he hit from ages 26 through 28, which are usually a player's peak career years, per Bill James' research, but which were off years for Mickey. It is very rare to see a hitter attain such peaks as he did at ages 24-25, and then to not have an excellent year again until age 29.

There is also another story within the story concerning Mantle, that he didn't win as many MVP awards as he really should have. Part of the reason is that sabermetric understanding of baseball statistics wasn't advanced enough in the 1950's to fully appreciate how dominant Mantle was in the American League, and part of it is that the sportswriting community appears to have punished him for having off years, even when those years were still better than anyone else was doing in the A.L. From a sabermetric standpoint it is difficult to understand why Mantle lost to Jackie Jensen in 1958, and to Roger Maris in both 1960 and 1961. Even Yogi Berra's 1955 MVP and Brooks Robinson's 1964 MVP awards are somewhat questionable in light of what Mantle did in those two years.

When you add in that Mantle was having another MVP-level year in 1963 when he broke his foot and lost most of the year to injury, he was statistically the best or arguably the best player in the league for nine out of the ten years that began in 1955. This is giving due weight to the fact that he had very high slugging and on-base percentages, hit into few double plays, and played a defensive position (centerfield) that normally is populated with much lighter hitting players. He gave his team a huge edge at his position that only Willie Mays in that era came close to matching.

My overall point here is that despite his fame, Mantle is ironically underappreciated as a hitter. He was more dominant, longer, than most sportswriters and fans realized.