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[edit] Memorable games

Pretty disingenuous to record almost entirely victories only as "memorable games." That's called "cherry-picking." Buckboard 06:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about others, but I don't remember many of our losses. For me, the ones that stand out are the ones listed (sorry if we don't remember many of our losses to osu). Terryfoster 12:28, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I think it goes with saying that these are games that were memorable *to Michigan fans*. Of course you're going to try to forget the ones you lose. Funnyhat 03:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minnesota rivalry?

While I believe the Minnesota game will be a big game this season, I don't believe anything but recent history makes this a rivalry. Personally I think it is adequate to leave it as a trophy game. If we add Minnesota I feel we would need to add the strong B10 teams for this season which could include Wisconsin, Penn State, and Iowa. -Terryfoster 14:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

According to the Wolverines web site, the Minnesota game is a rivalry game. http://mgoblue.com/section_display.cfm?section_id=419&top=2&level=3 --RLent 21:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] National Championships

[edit] National Championships

http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/football/misc/natchamp.htm

Some person keeps editing the claim for 11 national championships down to a count of "7", and the tag line that only that number are recognized. Here is an excerpt from The Bentley (sp?) historical library supporting the tabulation of and support for the 11 national championships claimed:


National Championships Determining a college football cational champion has never been an exact science. A variety of organizations and individuals have named national champions over the years, each with its own system for determining who is champion. In many years this has resulted in rival claimants to the title. By the University of Michigan Athletic Department's reckoning, the Wolverines have won or shared eleven national titles based on the awards of the following major selectors:

  • 1901: Michigan and Harvard recognized as National Champions

UM recognized by: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation Harvard recognized by; College Football Research Association Yale recognized by: Parke Davis

  • 1902: Michigan recognized as National Champion

UM recognized by: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis (tie with Yale)

  • 1903: Michigan and Princeton recognized as National Champions

UM recognized by: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation (tie with Princeton) Princeton recognized by: Helms, Houlgate, Parke Davis, National Championship Foundation ]

  • 1904: Michigan and Penn recognized as National Champions

UM recognized by: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation (tie with Penn) Penn recognized by: Helms, Houlgate, Parke Davis, National Championship Foundation (tie)

  • 1918: Michigan and Pittsburgh recognized as National Champions

UM recognized by: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation (tie with Pittsburgh) Pittsburgh recognized by: Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation (tie)

  • 1923: Michigan and Illinois recognized as National Champions

UM recognized by: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation (tie with Illinois) California recognized by: Houlgate Illinois recognized by: Boand, Football Research, Helms, Parke Davis, National Championship Foundation (tie)

  • 1932: Michigan and Southern California recognized as National Champions

UM recognized by: Dickinson, Parke Davis (tie with Colgate and Southern California) Colgate recognized by Parke Davis (tie) Southern California recognized by: Billingsley, Boand, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis, (tie), Poling, Williamson

  • 1933: Michigan recognized as National Champion

UM recognized by: Billingsley, Boand, College Football Research Association, Dickinson, Helms, Houlgate, Football Research, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis (tie with Princeton), Poling Ohio State recognized by: Dunkel Princeton recognized by: Parke Davis (tie) Southern California recognized by: Williamson

  • 1947: Michigan recognized as National Champion

Notre Dame recognized by: Associated Press Helms (tie), Williamson Notre Dame was No. 1 in the final AP poll, but Michigan jumped to No. 1 after an unprecedented post-bowl poll Michigan and Notre Dame recognized as National Champions

  • 1948: Michigan recognized as National Champion

UM recognized by: Associated Press, Berryman, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling, Williamson

  • 1997: Michigan and Nebraska recognized as National Champion

UM recognized by: Associated Press, National Football Foundation, Football Writer's Association Nebraska recognized by: ESPN/USA Today Coaches' Poll

66.65.76.15

[edit] Discussion

OK, this has gone back and forth long enough. I do understand that the athletic department claims 11 titles, but from what I understand is 4 of those are before there was any kind of consensus national title system. I think we need to come up with our own consensus here so we don't keep switching the "claims", "has claimed", etc back and forth. Personally I think it is correctly stated as "Michigan claims 11 national championships, 7 of which are recognized:" but I would like to see 11 listed in the info box. I would like some thoughtful discussion here and then when/if the wording/numbers get changed we can refer back to this discussion as to why we revert the change. Terryfoster 14:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Please reference: http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/football/misc/natchamp.htm 66.65.76.15 02:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC).
I find it interesting that you would claim, on the one hand, that there is no consensus, and on the other, argue that you personally (with people who agree with you) can form that consensus. Before the NCAA, there were several groups that formed the consensus current at that time. Actually, even using the word "consensus" is misleading: census would be closer. At that time, rightly or wrongly, those organizations formed the book of record for that time. Today you get variations of the truth from the Washington Post, or the New York Times. Those papers may not agree, but no one is egomanical enough to declare by fiat what the truth is, or was. It is your job to report what people of the day believed in an NPOV fashion. Likewise, the fact that you and I disagree doesn't make the claims to the titles "disputed". What is disputed -- by me -- is that either of us -- or Passion dude -- can arbitrarily decree the truth. Thinking that you are in a position to do so strikes me as a huge epistemological (sp?) error. As a final thought, would you seriously argue that there is consensus today on this issue? Do you believe that the BCS is, in the minds of most fans, determinative? Face, only a playoff will solve the issue. You should also face that fact that the open-ended nature of the argument is grist for many mills, and employs a lot of pundits...people don't want a solution, they want the controversy. 66.65.76.15 02:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
You make a good argument, but do you really want to see the number and text change at the whim of each user? I personally think that activity lowers the quality of the article which is why we need some kind of consensus (meaning general agreement[[1]]). Please don't assume I won't give up until my viewpoint is agreed upon, my goal is to improve the quality of the article regardless of the outcome.
I'm cool with the idea of going with the Bentley view of how things are and do think it makes sense to do so since this is an article for the University football program. On the other hand I don't feel the Bentley view is exactly neutral. As I talk this out, it does make sense that since the championships are recognized by a number of independent outfits that we count them.
PassionoftheDamon below says our number should agree with the infobox on the NCAA Division I-A national football championships page. Maybe we should be correcting that number? Terryfoster 14:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree as to activity level and whims; I agree stability is has a value; I appreciate the fact that you are striving for article quality. I leave it to your capable hands in those of Terry Foster below.
I agree that Bentley MIGHT not be neutral. If you agree that other independent sources help to confirm the Bentley view, then please have at it. If you have the patience, it might make sense to open a dialogue with Bentley, but that would seem to be over the top.
It is not clear to me that matching the data to any other page has a value. It may produce consistency, but consistency doesn't have much value if it is consitently wrong. It has a slight value at the editing change as it would make it easier to synchronize to the "correct" value, if the value can be found. In my opinion, truth -- on the web -- is a probability distribution. The joke has been that history is written by the survivors. In this environment, "truth" may come down to weight/frequency, and not some ultimate string of data. 66.65.76.15 21:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
National championships are a sticky issue. I, too, think "Michigan claims 11 national championships, 7 of which are recognized" is the proper phraseology for the body of the article. However, I disagree that 11 should be the number included in the infobox, as that is not a number generally recognized by anyone outside of Ann Arbor. The infobox number should be in conformity with the number in the wiki article on NCAA Division I-A national football championships. In this case, that's 7.-PassionoftheDamon 16:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Your observation "not a number generally recognized by anyone outside of Ann Arbor" appears to be made up out of whole cloth...in the alternative, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt: 1) you didn't have access to UM information via the net; 2) you didn't just make up the assertion, you really believed that laziness was a substitute for actually doing the research because being lazy served your preconceptions and whatever other axe you are grinding. I've added support above at the top of the discussion page. It is pretty clear that using an NCAA based cut-off is just as arbitrary as any other point of demarcation. The world didn't start with the NCAAA, and and it won't end with the NCAA. It is quite clear the people outside of Ann Arbor recognize the 11 count. In many cases, the recognition is not just from one organization. 66.65.76.15 02:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from personal attacks as they don't contribute to the discussion. While the College Football Data Warehouse is just one viewpoint they do show that there are people outside of AA that don't recognize all 11 titles. See: http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/michigan/national_champs.php Terryfoster 14:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Although they say we have a total of 23 titles including one in 1985: http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/michigan/all_national_champs.php Terryfoster 14:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough, I was way too aggressive. However, I still question your logic: you note that some people don't recognize all 11 titles. I agree. I still argue -- more politely I hope -- as follows: 1) not all sources will synchronize; 2) on the web, there will always be differences; 3) you haven't really established a standard of "proof"...must all sources agree...must sources also definitively disagree...what about sources that are silent on some issue (not just championships...but in the general case); 4) to say that there are 11 by some sources, and that 7 are recognized opens up several questions: a) 11 recognized by whom? What is their standing; b) 7 recognized. By whom, and what is there standing? Without answering those questions, you have created a dangling elliptical construction. The inference is that the university and some completely authoratative source disagree. In fact, the university existed before the presumptively authoratative source, and the 7 recognized would serve to undercut the university's stature as a founder of the game, and falsely reinforce the primacy of the NCAA as the determinative body for an era wherein the NCAA didn't exist, and neither can nor will opine. Thus, why instantiate NCAA authority by negation. Many of my points are overblown...after all, it is only football, however, these principles should hold true in any contention about the veracity of data sources relative to a point at issue. Do you agree with any of the above (now that I've reverted to form and am asking politely, rather than browbeating you)? 66.65.76.15 21:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
If any of you haven't already you may want to check out the article NCAA Division I-A national football championship (which I had not really read completely until now). They outline their criteria for national championship recognition. It seems pretty clearly defined as choosing certain sources for defined periods of time. They also list multiple winners if there are multiple sources they decided to use in a period of time and they don't agree.
  • I've looked at the table, and it appears that there are 4 years that are included by Bentley, but not included in the table that your reference. For your ease of reference, I've bolded the years. I've also bolded the foundation name (NCF) as it is abbreviated in the table under the link that you have provided. It appears that the Bentley used the same source, but your cited page does not include ties, nor does it use the (NCF) for those years. It also appears that the cited page does not recognize Billingsly (sp?)...I won't pretend to know who that is, but they provide corroboration for Michigan for the 4 years noted.66.65.76.15 22:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


Since we're all on the same team here at Wikipedia it makes all the sense in the world to me to conform to their standards or to challenge their standards in their court, not in this discussion. So I propose conforming to their standards since we're on the same team and they have probably already been down this path of discussion and it doesn't make sense (at least to me) to reinvent the wheel. So when reverting data changes I suggest referencing that article and not reverting without reason.
Then I believe the next step would be to challenge the criteria used in the NCAA Division I-A national football championship article in their discussion page.
Does this make sense? Terryfoster 14:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Terry: thanks for your hard work and neutrality on this issue. I am somewhat at variance from you on a procedural level, given my comments above. I would argue: 1) the cited link appears to be incomplete; 2) Billingsly may or may not be a recognized source; 3) the table cited looks pretty good, but it is not clear to me that it is accurate; 4) if NCF is a recognized source, and if the Bentley is not incorrect, I would argue that the cited page needs to be corrected. Having said all of the foregoing, if the NCAA doesn't recognize Billingsly (sp?) but others do, who is to say that Wikipedia should follow the NCAA, rather than Billingsley? For that reason, I prefer to see the NCF corrections, if any, be made to the NCAA page cited before "resting my case". Is that fair/equitable to the process? 66.65.76.15 22:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
  • ESPN claims 11 titles for Michigan and 7 for OSU: Tale of the Tape: Michigan-Ohio State Jweiss11 19:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
  • That figure is based on what the athletic departments claim and adds nothing to this debate. If Michigan partisans are allowed to make all visitors to Wikipedia accept their national title figures, you should use this methodology for all universities and credit them with additional national titles based on your research (assuming this is not all about propping up a Michigan program that has won 2 titles in the last 60 years). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.217.25.130 (talk • contribs).

Well, we're right back to where we were in the middle of November. I'm still not sure that this content dispute serves the greater good of Wikipedia. I still believe (as does PassionoftheDamon) that we should be conforming to the NCAA Division I-A national football championship article to maintain quality and integrity of Wikipedia. Again, I believe this is not the forum to discuss the merits of the selectors as that topic should/may have been discussed already for the NCAA Division I-A national football championship article and that would be the best place for those questions or discussions. I also would recommend referring to this discussion when making any changes or reverts so this discussion can include more parties. Let me know if I'm off base here, I'm still very much open to opinions. Terryfoster 21:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, if sourcing the "official" NCAA document [2] why not list all 15? Why the arbitrary number of 11? This is a very good example of why this kind of discussion should take place on the NCAA Division I-A national football championship while we conform. If you don't agree with that article then take it up with that article's discussion. Terryfoster 21:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Largest attendance at a NCAA football game

So, it has come to my attention through the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry page that the largest attendance at a college football game was somewhere around 120,000 held by the 1927 ND v. USC game at Soldier Field. I'm not sure how accurate that count was/could be as the total paid attendance was 99,573 [3]. I guess we should be modifying this page to reflect the "new" information, unless there's something I'm missing about attendance records. What do you think about this? Terryfoster 15:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Through further digging I found the NCAA record book[4] and found on page 416 they list the 120,000 as a pre-1948 record and is an estimated value. So I would think it's worth leaving the record as is due to the NCAA stating this attendance record was not audited. Although the 1929 Notre Dame vs. USC game at Soldier field (which was audited) claims 112,912 attendees, but is recorded before the NCAA kept records on attendance. Terryfoster 16:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] NCAA Official Page Below

This is the “official” NCAA page. I don’t believe that the Wikipedia page is complete or accurately reflects the NCAA summary of prior selectors’ selections of national champion for football.


http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html Past Division I-A Football National Champions The NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football and is not involved in the selection process. Since 1998, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) has conducted a contest between it's two top-ranked teams to determine a national champion. More information on the BCS is available at their Web site. A number of polling organizations also provide a final ranking of Division I-A football teams at the end of each season. Below is a year-by-year history of Division I-A football national champions as determined by the BCS championship game and these polling organizations. More information on national poll rankings is available in the Division I-A section of the NCAA Divison I-A/I-AA Football Records Book. 2005 Texas: BCS 2004 Southern California : AP, BCS, Berryman, Billingsley, Colley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, Massey, Matthews, NFF, NY Times, Sagarin, Seattle Times, Sporting News, USA/ESPN, Wolfe

2003 LSU: BCS, Billingsley, Colley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, Massey, NFF, Sagarin, Seattle Times, USA/ESPN Oklahoma: Berryman Southern California: AP, Eck, Matthews, NY Times

2002 Ohio State: AP, BCS, Berryman, Billingsley, Colley, DeVold, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, Massey, NFF, NY Times, Seattle Times, Sporting News, USA/ESPN, Wolfe Southern California: Dunkel, Matthews, Sagarin 2001 Miami (Fla.): AP, BCS, Berryman, Billingsley, Colley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, Massey, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Sagarin, Seattle Times, Sporting News, USA/ESPN, Wolfe 2000 Oklahoma: AP, BCS, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, Massey, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Sagarin, Seattle Times, Sporting News, USA/ESPN 1999 Florida St.: AP, BCS, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, Massey, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Sagarin, Seattle Times, Sporting News, USA/ESPN 1998 Ohio St.: Sagarin Tennessee: Alderson, AP, BCS, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Seattle Times, Sporting News, USA/ESPN 1997 Michigan: AP, FB News, FW, National Championship Foundation*, NFF, Sporting News Nebraska: Alderson, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, Matthews, National Championship Foundation*, NY Times, Sagarin, Seattle Times, USA/ESPN 1996 Florida: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, NFF, Sagarin, Sporting News, USA/CNN, NY Times, National Championship Foundation, Dunkel, Matthews, DeVold Florida St.: Alderson 1995 Nebraska : Alderson, AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN 1994 Florida St.: Dunkel Nebraska: Alderson, AP, Berryman, Billingsley, FACT*, FB News, FW, National Championship Foundation*, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN, USA/NFF Penn St.: DeVold, Eck, FACT*, Matthews, National Championship Foundation*, NY Times, Sagarin 1993 Auburn: National Championship Foundation* Florida St.: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, FW, National Championship Foundation*, NY Times, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN ,USA/NFF Nebraska : National Championship Foundation* Notre Dame: Matthews, National Championship Foundation* 1992 Alabama: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NY Times, Sporting News, UPI/NFF, USA/CNN Florida St.: Sagarin 1991 Miami (Fla.): AP, Eck, Football Research, National Championship Foundation*, NY Times, Sporting News Washington: Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation*, Sagarin, UPI/NFF, USA/CNN 1990 Colorado: AP, Berryman, DeVold, FACT*, FB News, Football Research, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation*, NFF, Sporting News, USA/CNN Georgia Tech: Dunkel, FACT*, National Championship Foundation*, UPI Miami (Fla.): Billingsley, Eck, FACT*, NY Times, Sagarin Washington: FACT* 1989 Miami (Fla.): AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT*, FB News, Football Research, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN Notre Dame: Berryman, Eck, FACT*, Sagarin 1988 Miami (Fla.): Berryman Notre Dame: AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN 1987 Florida St.: Berryman, Sagarin Miami (Fla.): AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN 1986 Miami (Fla.): FACT* Oklahoma: Berryman, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, NY Times, Sagarin Penn St.: AP, Billingsley, FACT*, FB News, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN 1985 Michigan: Matthews, Sagarin Oklahoma: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN 1984 Brigham Young: AP, Football Research, FW, National Championship Foundation*, NFF, Poling, UPI, USA/CNN Florida: Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, Matthews, NY Times, Sagarin, Sporting News Nebraska: Litkenhous Washington: Berryman, FB News, National Championship Foundation* 1983 Auburn : FACT*, Football Research, NY Times Miami (Fla.): AP, Billingsley, Dunkel, FB News, FW, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN Nebraska: Berryman, DeVold, FACT*, Litkenhous, Matthews, Poling, Sagarin 1982 Nebraska: Berryman Penn St.: AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms*, Litkenhous, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN Southern Methodist: Helms* 1981 Clemson: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, Litkenhous, Matthews, National Championship Foundation*, NFF, NY Times, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI Nebraska: National Championship Foundation* Penn St.: Dunkel Pittsburgh: National Championship Foundation* Texas: National Championship Foundation* Southern Methodist: National Championship Foundation* 1980 Florida St.: FACT* Georgia: AP, Berryman, FACT*, FB News, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sporting News, UPI Nebraska: FACT*, Sagarin Oklahoma: Billingsley, Dunkel, Matthews Pittsburgh: DeVold, FACT*, Football Research, NY Times 1979 Alabama: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, FW, Helms, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI Southern California: Football Research 1978 Alabama: AP, FACT*, Football Research, FW, Helms*, National Championship Foundation*, NFF Oklahoma: Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT*, Helms*, Litkenhous, Matthews, Poling, Sagarin Southern California: Berryman, FACT*, FB News, Helms*, National Championship Foundation*, Sporting News, UPI 1977 Alabama: Football Research* Arkansas: FACT* Notre Dame: AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT*, FB News, Football Research*, FW, Helms, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI Texas: Berryman, FACT* 1976 Pittsburgh: AP, FACT, FB News, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI Southern California: Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Matthews 1975 Alabama: Matthews* Arizona St.: National Championship Foundation*, Sporting News Ohio St.: Berryman, FACT*, Helms*, Matthews*, Poling Oklahoma: AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT*, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms*, National Championship Foundation*, NFF, Sagarin, UPI 1974 Ohio St.: Matthews Oklahoma: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, Football Research, Helms*, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation*, Poling, Sagarin Southern California: FW, Helms*, National Championship Foundation*, NFF, UPI 1973 Alabama: Berryman, UPI Michigan: National Championship Foundation*, Poling* Notre Dame: AP, FB News, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation*, NFF Ohio St.: FACT, National Championship Foundation*, Poling* Oklahoma: Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Sagarin 1972 Southern California: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, Litkenhous, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, UPI 1971 Nebraska: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, Litken-hous, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, UPI 1970 Arizona St.: Poling Nebraska: AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT*, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation Notre Dame: FACT*, Matthews Ohio St.: NFF* Texas: Berryman, FACT*, Litkenhous, NFF*, Sagarin, UPI 1969 Ohio St.: Matthews Penn St.: FACT* Texas: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT*, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, UPI 1968 Georgia: Litkenhous Ohio St.: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, UPI Texas: DeVold, Matthews, Sagarin 1967 Notre Dame: Dunkel Oklahoma: Poling Southern California: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Sagarin, UPI Tennessee: Litkenhous 1966 Alabama: Berryman Michigan St.: Football Research, Helms*, NFF*, Poling* Notre Dame: AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FB N e w s , FW, Helms*, Litkenhous, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF*, Poling*, Sagarin, UPI 1965 Alabama: AP, Billingsley, Football Research, FW*, National Championship Foundation Michigan St.: Berryman, DeVold, Dunkel, FB News, FW*, Helms, Litkenhous, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, UPI 1964 Alabama: AP, Berryman, Litkenhous, UPI Arkansas: Billingsley, Football Research, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Poling Michigan: Dunkel Notre Dame: DeVold, FB News, NFF, Sagarin 1963 Texas: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson 1962 Alabama: Billingsley LSU: Berryman* Southern California: AP, Berryman*, DeVold, Dunkel, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson Mississippi: Litkenhous 1961 Alabama: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FB News, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson Ohio St.: FW, Poling 1960 Iowa: Berryman, Boand, Litkenhous, Sagarin Minnesota: AP, FB News, NFF, UPI Mississippi: Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, FW, National Championship Foundation, Williamson Missouri: Poling Washington: Helms 1959 Mississippi: Berryman, Billingsley, Dunkel, Sagarin Syracuse: AP, Boand, DeVold, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, UPI, Williamson 1958 Iowa: FW LSU: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, FB News, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson 1957 Auburn: AP, Football Research, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Poling, Williamson Michigan St.: Billingsley, Dunkel, Sagarin Ohio St.: Boand, DeVold, FW, INS, Litkenhous, UPI Oklahoma: Berryman 1956 Georgia Tech: Berryman Iowa: Football Research Oklahoma: AP, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, FW, Helms, INS, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson Tennessee: Sagarin 1955 Michigan St.: Boand Oklahoma: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, FW, Helms, INS, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson 1954 Ohio St.: AP, Berryman, Boand, DeVold, Football Research*, Helms*, INS, National Championship Foundation*, Poling, Sagarin, Williamson UCLA: Billingsley, Dunkel, Football Research*, FW, Helms*, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation*, UPI 1953 Maryland: AP, INS, UPI Notre Dame: Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling, Sagarin, Williamson Oklahoma: Berryman, Football Research 1952 Georgia Tech: Berryman, INS, Poling Michigan St.: AP, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson 1951 Georgia Tech: Berryman, Boand* Illinois: Boand* Maryland: DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, National Championship Foundation, Sagarin Michigan St.: Billingsley, Helms, Poling Tennessee: AP, Litkenhous, UPI, Williamson 1950 Kentucky: Sagarin Oklahoma: AP, Berryman, Helms, Litkenhous, UPI, Williamson Princeton: Boand, Poling Tennessee: Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, National Championship Foundation 1949 Notre Dame: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Helms, Houlgate, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling, Sagarin, Williamson Oklahoma: Football Research 1948 Michigan: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling, Sagarin, Williamson 1947 Michigan: Berryman, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms*, Houlgate, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling, Sagarin Notre Dame: AP, Helms*, Williamson 1946 Army: Boand*, Football Research, Helms*, Houlgate, Poling* Georgia: Williamson Notre Dame: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Boand*, DeVold, Dunkel, Helms*, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling*, Sagarin 1945 Alabama: National Championship Foundation* Army: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation*, Poling, Sagarin, Williamson 1944 Army: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation*, Poling, Sagarin, Williamson Ohio St.: National Championship Foundation* 1943 Notre Dame: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling, Williamson 1942 Georgia: Berryman, DeVold, Houlgate, Litkenhous, Poling, Williamson Ohio St.: AP, Billingsley, Boand, Dunkel, Football Research, National Championship Foundation Wisconsin: Helms 1941 Alabama: Houlgate Minnesota: AP, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling Texas: Berryman, Williamson 1940 Minnesota: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dickinson, Football Research, Houlgate, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation Stanford: Helms, Poling Tennessee: Dunkel, Williamson 1939 Cornell:: Billingsley, Litkenhous Southern California: Dickinson Texas A& M: AP, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Poling, Williamson 1938 Notre Dame: Dickinson Tennessee: Billingsley, Boand, Dunkel, Football Research, Houlgate, Litkenhous, Poling, Sagarin TCU: AP, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Williamson 1937 California: Dunkel, Helms Pittsburgh: AP, Billingsley, Boand, Dickinson, Football Research, Houlgate, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation 1936 LSU: Williamson Minnesota: AP, Billingsley, Dickinson, Dunkel, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling Pittsburgh: Boand, Football Research, Houlgate 1935 LSU: Williamson* Minnesota: Billingsley, Boand, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling Princeton: Dunkel Southern Methodist: Dickinson, Houlgate TCU: Williamson* 1934 Alabama: Dunkel, Houlgate, Poling, Williamson Minnesota: Billingsley, Boand, Dickinson, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation 1933 Michigan: Billingsley, Boand, Dickinson, Helms, Houlgate, Football Research, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis*, Poling Ohio St.: Dunkel Princeton: Parke Davis* Southern California: Williamson 1932 Colgate: Parke Davis* Michigan: Dickinson, Parke Davis* Southern California: Billingsley, Boand, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis*, Poling, Williamson 1931 Pittsburgh: Parke Davis* Purdue: Parke Davis* Southern California: Billingsley, Boand, Dickinson, Dunkel, Helms, Houlgate, Football Research, National Championship Foundation, Poling, Williamson 1930 Alabama: Football Research, Parke Davis* Notre Dame: Billingsley, Boand, Dickinson, Dunkel, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis*, Poling 1929 Notre Dame: Billingsley, Boand, Dickinson, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Poling Pittsburgh: Parke Davis Southern California: Houlgate 1928 Detroit: Parke Davis* Georgia Tech: Billingsley, Boand, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis*, Poling Southern California: Dickinson 1927 Georgia: Boand, Poling Illinois: Billingsley, Dickinson, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis Notre Dame: Houlgate Yale: Football Research 1926 Alabama: Billingsley, Football Research, Helms*, National Championship Foundation*, Poling Lafayette: Parke Davis Navy: Boand, Houlgate Stanford: Dickinson, Helms*, National Championship Foundation* 1925 Alabama: Billingsley, Boand, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Poling Dartmouth: Dickinson, Parke Davis 1924 Notre Dame: Billingsley, Boand, Dickinson, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Poling Pennsylvania: Parke Davis 1923 California: Houlgate Illinois: Boand, Football Research, Helms, National Championship Foundation*, Parke Davis Michigan: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation* 1922 California: Houlgate, National Championship Foundation* Cornell:: Helms, Parke Davis* Iowa: Billingsley Princeton: Boand, Football Research, National Championship Foundation*, Parke Davis* 1921 California: Boand*, Football Research Cornell: Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* Iowa: Billingsley, Parke Davis* Lafayette: Boand*, Parke Davis* Wash. & Jeff.: Boand* 1920 California: Billingsley, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation Harvard: Boand* Notre Dame: Parke Davis* Princeton: Boand*, Parke Davis* 1919 Harvard: Football Research*, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation*, Parke Davis* Illinois: Billingsley, Boand, Football Research*, Parke Davis* Notre Dame: National Championship Foundation*, Parke Davis* Texas A& M: National Championship Foundation* 1918 Michigan: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation* Pittsburgh: Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation* 1917 Georgia Tech: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation 1916 Army: Parke Davis* Pittsburgh: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* 1915 Cornell: Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* Nebraska: Billingsley Pittsburgh: Parke Davis* 1914 Army: Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* Illinois:Parke Davis* Texas: Billingsley 1913 Auburn: Billingsley Chicago: Parke Davis* Harvard: Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* 1912 Harvard: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation*, Parke Davis Penn St.: National Championship Foundation* 1911 Penn St.: National Championship Foundation* Princeton: Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation*, Parke Davis Vanderbilt: Billingsley 1910 Harvard: Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation* Michigan: Billingsley Pittsburgh: National Championship Foundation* 1909 Yale: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1908 LSU: National Championship Foundation* Pennsylvania: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation*, Parke Davis 1907 Pennsylvania: Billingsley Yale: Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1906 Princeton: Helms, National Championship Foundation Vanderbilt: Billingsley Yale: Parke Davis 1905 Chicago: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation Yale: Parke Davis 1904 Michigan: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation* Pennsylvania: Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation*, Parke Davis 1903 Michigan: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation* Princeton: Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation*, Parke Davis 1902 Michigan: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* Yale: Parke Davis* 1901 Harvard: Billingsley Michigan: Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation Yale: Parke Davis 1900 Yale: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1899 Harvard: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation Princeton: Parke Davis 1898 Harvard: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation Princeton: Parke Davis 1897 Pennsylvania: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* Yale: Parke Davis* 1896 Lafayette: National Championship Foundation*, Parke Davis* Princeton: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation*, Parke Davis* 1895 Pennsylvania: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* Yale: Parke Davis* 1894 Pennsylvania: Parke Davis* Princeton: Houlgate Yale: Billingsley, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* 1893 Princeton: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation Yale: Parke Davis 1892 Yale: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1891 Yale: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1890 Harvard: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1889 Princeton: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1888 Yale: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1887 Yale: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1886 Princeton: Parke Davis* Yale: Billingsley, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* 1885 Princeton: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1884 Princeton: Parke Davis* Yale: Billingsley, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* 1883 Yale: Billingsley, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1882 Yale: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1881 Princeton: Billingsley, Parke Davis* Yale: National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* 1880 Princeton: National Championship Foundation*, Parke Davis* Yale: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation*, Parke Davis* 1879 Princeton: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* Yale: Parke Davis* 1878 Princeton: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1877 Princeton: Parke Davis* Yale: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* 1876 Yale: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1875 Colgate: Parke Davis* Harvard: National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* Princeton: Billingsley, Parke Davis* 1874 Harvard: Parke Davis* Princeton: Billingsley, Parke Davis* Yale: National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* 1873 Princeton: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1872 Princeton: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis* Yale: Parke Davis* 1871 No national champions selected. 1870 Princeton: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis 1869 Princeton: Billingsley, National Championship Foundation,Parke Davis* Rutgers: Parke Davis*

  • Note : Organization chose multiple schools —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wolvve85 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC).


This topic is already being discussed on this page. I would recommend discussing above along with deleting the copied text that is impossible to read without proper formatting. Terryfoster 21:36, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
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