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[edit] Who is Jamie?

Pretend that you don't know anything about the Halloween movies while reading this article and this will be a question that you will have. There is no introduction of this, apparently, important character or her significance to the story. How does this happen? Gunboat Diplomat 21:20, 22 October 2006

[edit] Drastic Rewrite

I just rewrote this article, merging in the two Michael Myers articles. Admittedly, a lot of what's here now should probably be in specific articles for the various sequels. --Myles Long 21:10, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Actually, does Michael Myers even need his own article? Freddy Krueger redirects to A Nightmare on Elm Street. Should this article be merged with Halloween (movie)? --Myles Long 21:15, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
i just changed it into a "biography" of myers, removing all references to the films that can be found in Halloween (movie). so it has some value. i think the article on Haddonfield (Halloween) should definitely not exist though. Niz 22:14, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
actually yes this article should *not* exist - i think the text can be moved over to a new section in the main Halloween (movie) article, called "Michael Myers". if its done, remember to change the Halloween template as well, to remove the michael myers wikilink. (and get rid of Haddonfield (Halloween) at the same time). Niz 22:14, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I like this article the way it is, but I'd have no problem if someone wants to move the content to Halloween (movie). --Myles Long 15:39, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Removed some information about the making of Halloween, rewrote some of the beginning information, as well as the infomation about the last two films, and changed the headings. Also added the boilerplate. Anyone with some adequate writing skills and knowledge of H4-6 want to take a crack at adding relevant info about Myers to that section? --SR 29 Aug 2005

I noticed this (under the escape part) and it's confusing: "He also knew that Dr. Loomis would do everything to keep him locked up, so he made up his mind to escape. Even though he tried to convince the doctors a man named Dr. R.J. Black spoke with Dr. Loomis; Black told Loomis that Michael was cursed with "The Thorn," where a young man must kill his own family for survival (Dr. Black neglected to mention how dangerous Michael could be if he escaped.) Loomis considered this." It doesn't make sense, to me anyway. Walmartshopper67 22:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

This will mark the 3rd time I've had to edit his name. His name is Michael AUBREY Myers, not Audrey.

[edit] Immortality?

He never dies! Why can't he die? When will he ever die? -- Ed Telerionus 23:45, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

  • when enough people stop renting halloween films on video Niz 13:19, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

You are incorrect, he will die after the source of the curse of the symbol Thorn is destroyed. -- Ed Telerionus 21:16, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

The Curse Of Thorn is no longer used in the Halloween series and in fact only appeared in Part 6. To base the remaining six movies (1,2,4,5,H20, Resurection) on this would be wrong and incorrect as it has clearly been established it no longer has a place in the storyline.


A more likely theory is that Michael Myers is a human form of evil that is beyond understanding, hence his "Boogeyman" nickname. John Carpenter described him as a "force of nature" and to make sense of his character would eliminate all mystery and power that surrounds it.

[edit] William Shatner?

How does his mask resemble William Shatner in any way, shape or form? do they actually say that in the movie (waiting to see it, but haven't) or did somebody just infer that? --daunrealist 02:29, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

It says that in the trivia section on the IMDb listing for the movie. It says: "Due to its shoestring budget, the prop department had to use the cheapest mask that they could find in the costume store: a Captain Kirk (William Shatner) mask. They later spray-painted the face white, teased out the hair, and reshaped the eye holes." You can even look for yourself if you want to: Trivia for Halloween. ONEder Boy 02:45, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Oh, ok, thanks. I was just wondering. It doesn't even look like a William Shatner mask, by what they did to it! --daunrealist 02:56, 8 November 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Audrey

Forgive me for sounding dense, but I've seen (the theatrical versions of) all the Halloween films many times, and I still can't figure where it's mentioned that Michael's middle name is Audrey. Is this only in the extended edition of H1 or H2? All I recall seeing is Dr. Hoffman typing the incorrect middle initial of "M" in H4.--Mike1981 05:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

"Ressurection"? I'm not sure.--Sean|Black

In the Television edition of Halloween 1 there is a scene where Dr.Loomis is discussing Michael with the board of mental health. In this scene Dr. Loomis mentions his full name as "Michael Audrey Myers".

[edit] Whom did this?

  • Carpenter named the character after real-life Michael Meyers, whom was the European distributor of Assault on Precinct 13 (1976),
  • The officials brushed off Loomis' request believing that Michael was merely a "catatonic", whom "exhibits comatose behavior... no reaction to external stimuli."
  • She acts confused in the presence of her new friend as to why that the man whom was "that little kid who killed his sister" would be after her at all.
  • She realizes that it is her own brother whom is after her.
  • Accompanied by Marion is an Illinois state marshal whom is instructed to transport Loomis back to Smith’s Grove.
  • Among them is Heather Bowen, whom will debut as a planned walk-in cameo.

:) -Silence 13:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Halloween: Resurrection, the handing of the knife

At the end of the first act in this movie Michael hands his knife to a rather unstable mental patient. I've always thought this scene implied that Michael was done " Here, you go kill people" kind of thing. This is not mentioned in the article btwAtirage 14:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Funny you think of it this way, I always thought Michael gave the kid his knife because the kid seemed to know everything about him and saw him as his hero. I though he gave it to him as a present or souvenir but I never saw it as handing down the torch, because Michael is clearly not done when he handles the knife over. Remember, Michael has always lost his knives and doesn't have one of his own, he always gets one from the houses he breaks into or steals them from hardware stores. Kiske 05:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The most logical reason would be to frame the unstable patient for the murders he has just commited. Therefore the police would have no reason to believe Michael Myers was responsible and to ensure he would not be hunted down.

Do you REALLY think they wouldn't suspect Michael, the infamous blade-weilding serial killer? "Oh well he just killed those 500 people, and this kid has a knife. So that guy there MUST have been killed by the kid." PublicSecrecy 22 Oct 2006

[edit] Height

I reverted the changes made arguing that Michael's height was 6 ft. even though they came from a website. By simple logic and comparrison to other actors who's height is actually known, we can get a fairly accurate estimate of Michael's size. Besides, the website used to document his height as 6 ft. is very innacurate, as it also says that Michael has blue eyes, when it was completely cleared in the first Halloween installment that Michael in fact had "the blackest of eyes...the devil's eyes". The respective website can therefore not be trusted and the statement of his size remains as well over 6 ft. tall. Remember, in H20, Josh Harnett, who is in fact about 6. ft 3 stands next to Michael Myers and seems to be about 3 or 4 inches shorter, therefore making Michael about 6 ft. 6 or 6 ft. 7, (1.98 m and 2.01 m respectively). If you actually find a reliable website that accurately describes his size we will change the article, until then, it will remain as well over six feet tall. Kiske 08:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Change

It said at the end of the Immortality section that Michael started killing his family at the age of 17, and that the stars in the constilation of Thorn consisted of 17 stars, and it may or may not have been coincidence, etc... I deleted this section of the paragraph since Michael started killing the rest of his family when he was 21. If it meant that Lori was 17, then someone can re-write it the way it should have been.


[edit] Enemies

Should it be changed to "everyone, though mainly his family members"? I mean, I know there has been a bit of a debate considering that he was killing random people in H:R. ShinGaruda 01:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

His family would be encompassed on the "everyone". Everyone's general because it's just a small spot and would be too much to add detail to. Also, it's not really as important as say the "Portrayed By" section. I only added that section so that there was a little bit extra in the info. Bignole 01:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I see what you mean. After a while I too realized that it's just too much unnecessary detail. ShinGaruda 22:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I also saw your point, but really this entire page needs reworking. I started working on the Jason Voorhees page, because that one, this one, and many others are nothing more than fanboy information. This is what a page about a fictional character should actually look like, Jabba the Hutt. That is where I got the idea to insert the infoboxes for each character. Bignole 22:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah. I say it's time for things to be more informative and official with these characters. I haven't even seen all the films and I can tell that it's in a fanboy's words. ShinGaruda 18:07, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michael's Family

I added a spot for the memebers of Michael's family in the info box, as most of the other horror characters have them too. But I'm afraid I dont have enough information. I could only remember the names of his two sisters. Could someone please add the remaining members of his family for me? His parents and his extended family from the sequal films, including Laurie's son from H20, and their relationship to Micheal. That would be very much apreciated. Also, there is no need to add "deceased" next to any of their names. None of the other horror articels have them, and it is a moot point withint the realm of slasher films. Michael himself has "died" about 7 times now correct? It is also a big spoiler to those who have not seen the series in its entierty.

You can go to each of the movie pages, they should list their names (except maybe his parents names). As for the deceased, I could have sworn that Freddy's infobox had it and so did Jason's, maybe I'm mistaken I just thought they were there. And, as for Michael, he has never died. The suceeding films have always explained away his not-a-death-death. Him burning in part II put him in a coma at the beginning of part 4, he fell down a well and was shot, but floated away down the creek and was healed by a hermit for several months. I forget how he "died" in 5, but either way his deaths are always explained to not have actually occured and that he has always survived them. Bignole 07:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
I went and checked, I was mistaken...I thought they said "deceased" but it just listed how they were related. It's the comic book character pages that do the "deceased" thing.Bignole 07:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
I suppose you are right about the "deaths". But that doesn't really explain how a man pushing 50 would be able to people in their teens with ease, let alone be almost invunerable to physical harm. Oh, well that's Hollywood for you. If no one else does it, I will try to find the family information myself. (Animedude 10:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC))

[edit] anal rape

When did Michael "anal rape his sister"? I might just have missed it, so I don't know if this is vandalism, or... true. Thanks.

hahahaha

He did not rape his sister but his niece, vaginally, in Halloween 6 so she could give birth to a baby and spread the Curse Of Thorn.

Um, he didn't rape her dude.83.67.202.168 19:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

In Halloween 6 Producers Cut, he does indeed rape her. She then gives birth to the baby Steven.

[edit] tattoo

there is a tattoo on michaels hand does anyone know what it represents?

It represents the symbol of thorn as explained in the 6th installment.Kiske 07:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bit of a clean up

I removed some sections of the article that were poorly written, had no source, and were just utter nonsense. If anyone (that includes long time Wiki editors with usernames) feels that I removed something by mistake, feel free to revert, otherwise they shouldn't be in this article.--The Scourge 13:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Well the "personality" section would be fine if you had sources for it. Now, this is true source (i.e. Carpenter, Hill, etc), and not some fan's website. If one of them talk about Michael's personality then it's good to include, it adds to the "out of universe" text, but doing it in your own words, and your own opinions is not good. It should stay removed till someone finds quotes for it. The same goes for much of the sections. Bignole 13:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Point taken. Keep in mind, though, that I didn't write them. Just removed them.--The Scourge 10:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I know, I was just speaking in general terms. Bignole 13:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category

Isn't he more of a mass murderer then a serial killer. Serial killers usually kill about 3-4 people then having resting points. Mike Myers though kills around a dozen people in evey film. There was also a webiste that said his murder rate was 77. Regardless, I think he's killed enough people in a short enough time to be considered a mass murderer. I mean all the murders happen in one night in most of the movies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.115.34.186 (talk) 01:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Serial isn't "serial" by number but by continuation. "Mass Murder" means a lot at one time. She technically would fall under both, but since there isn't a limit/requirement to how many have to die in order to be "serial", the fact that he continuously kills withouth being caught supercedes the "mass". Then again, the fact that is always kills in Haddonfield could label him a "mass" over a "serial", because it's 1 place over a period of time (with exceptions being the times when he was between towns). Bignole 01:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] EMT ??

Under the synopsis for Halloween II, the acronym 'EMT' is used. If anyone knows what this means, could they please add it to the article.


ahpook 14:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

It should be Emergency Medical Technician. Well, it should be linked, but that's what it means. Bignole 12:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need explanation...

the article as it currently stands contains the following:

year where he started to quickly lose some speech and began to show some stereotypical behavior

"stereotypical" in what sense? to what stereotype is his behaviour conforming? There is no proof that Michael even lost his speech, more likely he chooses not to use it. The fact he remained silent and near motionless for the fifteen years he spent incarcerated may well hold some explanation to his physical strength when he escaped; similar to a hibernation or restoration period where he would be building enough power and energy internally.

In 1978, Michael hijacked the car meant for his court transfer. The car was driven by Loomis's medical colleague and assistant nurse, Marion Chambers.

This is the first time Loomis is mentioned in the article but the tone used here implies the reader will already be familiar with him.

In the unreleased cut of the film, the reason Loomis screamed was because he found out that the Michael he was following was just Dr. Wynn in Michael's clothes.

No previous explanation of Dr. Wynn has been given, nor is one present later in the article. Who is he? Dr. Wynn is briefly involved in Halloween 1. He is the head of the Smith's Sanitarium where Myers escapes. His only role in the first film is to try and rationalize how he escaped. Dr. Wynn returned later in Halloween 6, where his role was more complex. He was responsible for releasing Michael as he was also the head of The Curse Of Thorn Cult. The climax of this film saw Dr. Loomis confront Myers, who was immobilized. When the mask was removed from who Loomis thought was Michael, it was in fact, Dr.Wynn. Michael was then seen walking away in the shadows.

I'm not familiar with the movies so don't feel in a position to add info, but if someone who is, could, it'd be much appreciated. --Black Butterfly 15:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The artical is way too confusing, it jumps around too much when it mentions the curse of thorn. I still have no clear idea on it, I thoaght Michael was put under the curse by his neigbors who were watching him the night he killed his sister. Now is Dr, Wynn the head of the Thorn Cult, or is it a seperate organization that worships thorn, because all it says is that is the leader of a group of druids; actually he's not even mentioned be name. We need some more information on Michael's background as well of Dr.Wynn, and the curse of thorn.-Darknessofheart


[edit] Death list

Aaron Pepin Feb 21, 2007- We need a death list! Is there any website with a death list? Or at least does anyone know how many people Mike Myer's killed? March 5, 2007- Well are there any websites or documents anywhere? Because I don't own any halloween movies eccept the first and is on VHS, so it's impossible for me to make a deathlist. Oh yah, Jason has a death list: List of deaths in the Friday the 13th series

Wiki doesn't do deathlists. They hold no encyclopedic value, as Wiki is an encyclopedia front and foremost, and not a fansite for any oblique trivia for fictional characters.  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  20:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
And that page should probably be deleted, as it holds no notability or encyclopedic information. Thanks for bringing that page to my attention, because it's like a list of weapons for a video game. If there are any notable deaths then they would be noted on the films page, but a list of every death holds no value other than spoiler information.  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  19:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mask

Does Anybody Know How Michael Got His Mask. If So Then I Think It Should Be Included Into The Article. (Id Rather Be Hated For Who I Am, Than Loved For Who I Am Not 14:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC))

Are you speaking literally (i.e. William Shatner mask) or fictionally (i.e. the hardware store was broken into and a mask was mentioned as one of the things taken, along with some other objects).  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  14:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I Mean In The Halloween Universe. One Thing That Always Bothered Me Was Michael Just Turned Up With A Mask On. Jason Found His Hockey Mask In A Cabin. But Michael Just Turns Up With His Mask On With No Explanation Whatsoever. Maybe A Section On The Article Would Explain The Background? {Id Rather Be Hated For Who I Am, Than Loved For Who I Am Not 07:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)}

Michael never turned up with the mask. You have to pay attention to the films. In the first one, it's mentioned a mask was one of the items stolen from a hardware store, which is the same mask he used in the second Halloween; and in the fourth film, he stole one from same store Jamie was shopping for her costume, which supposedly is the same mask in the fifth film (though it looks entirely different), and so on and so forth.--The Scourge 08:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Well Speaking Of The Mask, Why Does Micheal Wear it? (Id Rather Be Hated For Who I Am, Than Loved For Who I Am Not 21:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC))

To hide his face, who knows. Because it's something reflected from his childhood when he killed his sister. Because he's still stuck in this "I must wear a costume on halloween" phase? If you can find a reliable source that says why, then I'd say add it. But it's never really been explored in the films, though I hear Zombie is planning on giving an explaination.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I hope that Zombie does reveal more information on Michael's mask. It would be such a great addition to the article. AquafireGal. 22:07 21st March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent addition of images

Too many images have been added to the article making it look disrupt. Notable and important images that made a difference can stay in my opinion, but the rest should go. If anyone doesn't object, I'm gonna start removing.--The Scourge 01:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

There were 18 images, I removed 9 of them. The user involved was adding them in the best interest, but I think they might have gone a bit overboard. The same thing over on the Jason Voorhees article.  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  05:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
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