Talk:Michał Korybut Wiśniowiecki

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This is no badly named, but I don't know who this guy is from the article. Which Michael (number) is this, or does he have a better name? JHK

[edit] Move

This should be moved to Michał Korybut Wiśniowiecki or Michael Korybut Wiśniowiecki, I think. Comments? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:02, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think if anything this article needs to be moved to Michał Wiśniowiecki of Poland per Wikipedia naming convention on naming royals? The current format looks ackward. Or maybe King Michał Wiśniowiecki of Poland? Gryffindor 20:52, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Names - English pages only.

Note: Google plain seems to ignore the difference between diactrics or not. Google Books however does not, thus I did most the searchers without Polish diactrics.

Counted by --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:14, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Analysis: Michal vs Michael: 1100:1600 in Google, 3:19 in Print. It does appear that Michael is slightly more popular then Michal.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

But also it is clearly shown that 'Michael of Poland' is a wiki-invented strange name. The only acceptable two names are the two I listed in the opening of this section: Michał or Michael Korybut Wiśniowiecki. Since he was the first elected king from inside Poland, I'd vote for retention of his Polish name, instead of the Englicized 'Michael'.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:31, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name

In addition to above, see aslo Wikipedia:Naming_convention#Polish_monarchs.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree this should be moved, at least to Michael Korybut or Michael Korybut Wiśniowiecki. If even you think this, then you should probably just move it. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 21:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
would anyone object if I move to Michael Korybut Wiśniowiecki? john k 04:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Polish monarch since Sigismund II?

I'm not sure that this statement makes much sense. The Jagiellons were a Lithuanian dynasty. Sigismund II was certainly born and raised in Poland, and I suppose we can consider him Polish in that sense, but if you consider him Polish in that regard, don't you have to consider Wladyslaw IV and John Casimir Polish as well? That is to say, what definition of "Polish" includes the Jagiellons and excludes the later Vasa rulers, who were likewise born in Poland? Michael is arguably the first Polish ruler since the death of Casimir the Great, isn't he? john k 04:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that this statement refers to the 'first from Polish nobility' (szlachta). Jagiellons were not Polish nobility, nor was W4W; in 17-18th centuries there was actually quite an interesting debate among nobility about about pros and cons of electing a 'Polish' king (at least in origins); one of Wiśniowiecki 'electoral ads' went along the lines of 'back to the Piasts' (of course the fact that his family had Ruthenian origins were conviniently ommitted by his suporters)... :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  05:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
So, as I said, he's arguably the first Polish monarch since Casimir III, right? The Jagiellons were no more Polish than the later Vasas in this sense, were they? john k 12:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I thinkt the text which currently states 'of Polish origin' is quite acceptable. Granted, the latter Jagiellons were quite polonized, but I think there is no denying the origins (which in J. case were Lithuanian, and Vasas, Swedish).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  13:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
What I mean is, the article says he was the first monarch of Polish origins since Sigismund II Augustus. But Sigismund Augustus was from a Lithuanian family, and had no Polish ancestors. The current article seems to be saying that the later Jagiellons were "of Polish origins," but that the later Vasas were not. john k 15:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
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