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[edit] Tartikoff brainchild
Hello,
I replaced the paragraph below that someone deleted; it seems relevant to me as an explanation for the unique style of the show.
In the early 1980s, the head of NBC's Entertainment Division, Brandon Tartikoff, reportedly wrote a brainstorming memo that simply read "MTV cops." The result was Michael Mann's production of Miami Vice.
--68.220.113.55 17:33, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- This is actually plausible; David Declan said on one of the "Punky Brewster" first season DVDs that Tartikoff made him create that series based on just the name "Punky Brewster", which was the name of one of the NBC boss's old classmates. The character was built around the name, stories were built around the character, and the dog in the show was called Brandon, apparently to further stroke Tartikoff's ego. Although I wonder if these stories of Tartikoff could also be some kind of inside joke…—mjb 11:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- I'm just going to add to this part, because this is a rumor which Yerkovich debunked in the extras on the season 1 DVD. BubbaStrangelove 2:41, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Crockett's Football Career
90yd TD in under 6 seconds? I know it's fiction, but a Greyhound would struggle to do that! I can only assume he was indulging in a lot of Medellin's finest export at the time LOL!
[edit] Police department name
The police department was the Metro-Dade Police Department during the series run. The department was renamed when Dade County was renamed Miami-Dade County.70.149.135.25 22:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Miami Vice actors
Let's get the actors page going Philip Michael Thomas' page is embarrassingly sparse. BubbaStrangelove 20:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Production details
I added the bit about "early use of stereo in series television" and "Michael Mann eschewed red." I think these came from a copy of Mix Magazine from the late 1980s. I'm 99.9% sure that these are correct but it would take me a long long time to find the article in question. 69.181.2.10 09:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Seperate article for episodes
Many TV show articles have seperate articles for their respective episodes if they are exceeding in number. I propose we create a seperate article for the episodes of Miami Vice. An excellent template would be the one used for episodes of Stargate SG-1 or House, M.D. What do you guys think? I was originally going to be bold and go ahead in creating the article, but then I figured that getting people's opinions and feedback would be better in handling a show as popular as this one. I honestly can't see why we shouldn't have a seperate article, but any objections and comments are welcome.--DethFromAbove 11:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I was the one who added all the episodes, and was a bit shocked when seeing they were gone. However, good work. It does streamline the page quite a bit, and like you said, it just makes sense. The only thing I'm going to change is to bump the link up on the See Also catagory. Since I think it's more relevant than the other ones, like Magnum PI. (?) - BubbaStrangelove
[edit] Redundant information?
The following information is included under the Television Series portion of the article
- Miami Vice was one of the best-known shows of the 1980s, and it had a huge impact on the decade's popular fashions as well as setting the tone for further evolution of police drama. Series such as Homicide: Life on the Street, NYPD Blue, and Law & Order, though being vastly different in style and theme from Miami Vice, followed its lead in breaking the genre's mold.
- In fact the show has been so influential that references and styles of "Miami Vice" have often been borrowed by many of today's entertainment industry in order to indicate or emphasise the 80's decade. Examples of this includes the episode "The One With All The Thanksgivings" from the American sitcom "Friends" (1994 - 2004). Flashback scenes in this episode shows the characters Ross and Chandler in Pastel coloured suits with rolled up sleeves like that of "Sonny Crockett" from "Miami Vice" in order to emphasise the 80's decade. Another more obvious example would be the computer and video game "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City," which was published by Rockstar Games and is set in the 1980's. Two undercover police officers would appear in a police sports car within the game when three felony stars is obtained by gamers. It is believed that the two officers (one white and one black) represents the two leading characters of "Miami Vice." One of the main characters, Lance Vance, was actually voiced by Philip-Michael Thomas.
- In short, the tshirt under Pastel suits, rolled up sleeves, Rayban sunglasses and other attitudes of "Miami Vice" have today become the norm image of 1980's culture. Ironically often people today would recognise the decade's image yet are unfamiliar with the famous cop show despite it being the phenomenon that gave birth to the style.
What do others think about reediting this part, or somehow streamlining it? Not only does it contain information that is given later on in references to pop culture, it contains a lot of subjective wording, like "Ironically often people...", "another more obvious example..." While the show was influential in regards to how TV was made, and the style of its characters was co-opted by its audience, maybe there should be some sort of citation, or just a statement like "The show encapsulates much of the nostalgia that is associated with the 1980s, as evidenced by numerous pop culture references (listed below) in which the look established in Miami Vice is used to symbolize the era." Or something to that effect. What do you all think? To me it just seems to be giving a narrative version of what is stated later on - I think a lot of the information could be included under the relevant pop culture references.
I also feel that while references to the show are abound, saying that it is the "norm 80s style" leaves a lot open as well. What about new wavers, punk rockers, and the tons of other styles associated with the 80s? Many of the characters in Scarface dressed the same way, as did many people - the style was definitive of Miami early-80s. Vice didn't exactly just make up the look.
This section needs help.
- Yeah, I noticed that and it bothered me. Some parts of that section are really POV. If you're up to it, you should totally reword, if not completely re-write that.--DethFromAbove 06:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Runtime
I'm putting "60 minutes (including commercials)" as the runtime, since episodes vary in length.
[edit] Cleanup-list in Episode List
It was me who added the tag in question.
IMO, in its current state, the list is very unclear and aesthetically not very pleasing, and therefore needs to be put in a proper table ASAP. See Fastlane (TV series) for an example. Jupix 12:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- An ugly, long list is the very reason I created this. Enjoy!--DethFromAbove 06:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the link to the Episode list be in the section "Episodes" rather than "See also"
[edit] Jackass Holster
should it say "Jackass leather holster" in the fire arms section? just wondering if this was vandalism or not 71.144.87.83 21:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- Indeed, it was an actual brand name and style of holster.
See: http://www.gunaccessories.com/Galco/JackassHolsterComponent.asp Deathbunny 21:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Clean up needed
Holy crap does this article need some work. There's way too much OR and POV writing overall (the entire "Reason for series end" needs to be scrapped outside of the first bit from the newspaper, the rest is all conjecture/essay). And what's with all the gun pics? Is this article about a TV show or gun fantatic's idea of porn??? RoyBatty42 08:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- I agree that there are way to many gun references on the page. They weren't that important in the show --Christof Damian 21:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
