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[edit] Skyline and Page Layout

The new layout has a large empty white space that looks unprofessional. Can somebody please fix the layout? Also, the nice skyline pic was replaced with a slightly less flattering one. Is there anybody out there with an updated skyline picture? I know it is growing quickly each year. By 2009 it should look much different!

[edit] Climate

The article cited a high temperature record of 103 F on July 17, 2004. Neither www.weather.com nor www.wunderground.com agrees with this figure. I have changed it to the official record of 98 F. And same with the record low. I have no idea where he got 27 F. As to 20 F in Homestead, that is also bogus, besides not being particularly relevant since Homestead is a separate city, about 30 mi from Miami. Even his citation only says that 20 F was recorded in unspecified locations, namely "[s]ections of Dade and Broward Counties plummeted to record minimum temperatures as low as 20 oF (-6.6 oC), and remained below freezing for 10-14 hours." It does not specify Homestead, whose official low temp record is 26 F. People should not use Wikipedia to bs about the weather.

[edit] Demographics

There is some confusion in the Demographics section. It says "The racial makeup of the city is 66.62% White, 22.31% African American, 0.25% Native American, 0.66% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 5.42% from other races, and 4.74% from two or more races. 65.76% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race."The 66% White and 65% Hispanic are conflicting. If you factor in 65% and 22% for African Americans that leaves 13% for Whites. Could someone clarify/correct this? I know for sure that 65% is Hispanic but the rest is unclear. Milk 02:24, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

  • From the Race (U.S. Census) page: For the 2000 census the Census Bureau considers race to be separate from Hispanic origin. Funnyhat 02:19, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hispanic is not a racial group, it's the people who speak spanish and they can be white, black or american natives. In countries like Argentina, Spain, Chile or Uruguay all the people is hispanic and white.

The demographic section definitely needs some adjustment; a reference (to the Census for example) would be helpful, as would clarification of racial make-up. As someone stated Hispanics are not a race, but the article should mention that the 4.75% of people from two or more races excludes people who classify themselves as Hispanic, since a preponderance of Hispanics are of mixed races.69.84.100.123 21:25, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I've added the reference [1], which has the same numbers (rounded off slightly) as those in the article. -- Dalbury(Talk) 22:42, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Theft Auto: Vice City

Does it seem logical to anyone else to modify "television and film" to "media" and include Grand Theft Auto: Vice City as based on the city? -Ickle

GTA:VC is surely set in Vice City, no? By that logic, are Superman and Batman set in New York? john k 06:12, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Well, Gotham was indeed thought to be the comicbook version of NYC, yes. And Gotham is NYC's nickname -- see, for example, the Gotham Center for New York City History (http://www.gothamcenter.org/) or the Gotham Gazette (http://www.gothamgazette.com/). About Vice City representing Miami, I attend university in Miami, and Vice City certainly looks like Miami to me. There is no other city with the same reputation, tropical climate, seaside setting, topography, urban landscape, and ethnic composition in the US, so it's not really a stretch. ~kali June, 2004

[edit] Population at incorporation

Is this sentence a mistake? the City of Miami was incorporated with 344 citizens (243 of which were identified as white and 181 as black.

In order for 243 people to be white and 181 to be black, there would have to be some overlap--some people would have to identify as both categories. But in the 1890s, I don't think people were allowed to check more than one racial category in the census. Can anyone find accurate data? Funnyhat 02:16, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Does anyone know the source for these numbers? Helen Muir, in Miami, U.S.A., says that Miami was incorported with 502 registered voters, and mentions a Black artillery of 100 men brought in by Flagler's people to help elect a mayor favorable to the railroad. The 344 number may come from [2], but it doesn't break down the numbers by race, but just says a sizable percentage were black. And this site [3] says Miami had a population of just over 300. As only adult males could register to vote, 344 (or 502) registered voters implies maybe twice that number of residents (allowing for a lot of single men brought in as laborers on the railroad attracked to a boom town). --Dalbury(Talk) 00:13, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Judge Marilyn Milian

Judge Marilyn Milian is a well-known resident of Miami. She wasn't born there, but she moved there when she was 8. Shouldn't she be on one of those lists?

She's on the notable Coral Gables residents. - Marc Averette 14:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miami Federals

There was never a USFL franchise called the Miami Federals. There was the Washington Federals (1983-1984) who were reincarnated as the Orlando Renegades (1985).

[edit] External Links

Anyone notice that most of those external links have to do with Miami Beach and not Miami... these are two separate cities... perhaps they should be removed and placed there? PRueda29 15:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Took one out the rest should stay for now --JAranda | watz sup 15:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Alright, I just wanted to check before I removed anything, maybe others felt differently. PRueda29 15:56, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mayors?

I think it would be appropriate for a list of all of the mayors of the City of Miami to be added to this page.

I don't. Perhaps you should create a separate page List of Mayors of the City of Miami for example. JiMternet 23:30, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname Big Orange

User:Joececchini has been adding nicknames to articles. I've reverted the addition of Big Orange. It needs to be properly sourced before allowing it back in this article. -- Dalbury(Talk) 09:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] High school sports puffery

Moved the following here from the article page as POV puffery:

Miami-Dade County is also known to having some of the best High School sports in the country especially in Football. Baseball, Baseketball and Soccer also do very well in High School Sports for Miami-Dade County.

You can cite sources that say that, but putting it this way is POV. -- Dalbury(Talk) 03:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Skyline photographs

Does the article really need 5 pictures of the same thing from slightly different perspectives? They all look great, but let's show some restraint. Cacophony 19:31, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Collections

I've removed this photo site (Photographs Over 4,000 images from the State Library & Archives of Florida) from the 'external links' section of the page, as it really borders on linkspam. However, there are a lot of photos, so I've kept the link here as it might come in useful to editors. Dr. Cash 17:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geology of Key Biscayne, Miami Beach, etc.

I removed the sentence, These islands are geologically considered to be part of the Florida Keys, but are not politically related to them, from the article because the sources I've consulted state that Key Biscayne and northward are barrier islands, and not true Florida Keys. Soldier Key south to Sands Key are transitional keys, mixing characteristics of barrier islands and true Florida Keys, while Elliott Key is the northernmost of the true Florida Keys. The sources are cited in the Florida Keys article. -- Dalbury(Talk) 14:18, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Footnotes

They're a mess. I just added a footnote in Climate, and it is #22 in the text, but there are only 18 footnote entries in References. I'll try to look at them later, but I may not be able to find the sources for some of them. -- Donald Albury (Dalbury)(Talk) 11:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I've got the footnotes sorted to where the numbers match. I could not find a source for the very sharp decline in non-hispanic white population between 1990 and 2000 (the white flight section), so I pulled the footnote and left a {{fact}} tag. -- Donald Albury (Dalbury)(Talk) 00:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Teele reference broken

The reference {{note|Teele}} [http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/12261057.htm "With suicide, Teele tried to take control"] ''Miami Herald'', dtd July 30, 2005, retrieved January 28, 2006 is broken. -- Donald Albury (Dalbury)(Talk) 11:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geography

The Miami metropolitan area (Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach) do not sit between the Miami River, Biscayne Bay, the Everglades and the Atlantic Ocean.

The Miami River runs from the northwest towards Downtown; both the city and the metro area extend far beyond both banks of the river.

The barrier islands separate Biscayne Bay from the Atlantic Ocean. Hence, Biscayne Bay lies completely within the metro area.

The following sentence would correct these errors:

"Miami and the surrounding metropolitan area sit between the Everglades, the Atlantic Ocean, the Loxahatchee River, and Florida Bay."

--ralonso

Your suggestion would work for the South Florida metropolitan area, but I think for this article it would be better to discuss "Greater Miami", i.e., the barrier islands between the Atlantic and northern Biscayne Bay, and the mainland between northern and central Biscayne Bay and the edge of the Everglades, and from the Broward/Miami-Dade line down to somewhere between Coral Gables and Homestead. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 22:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rainfall

Someone has changed the rainfall figure indicated in the article and some unreliable source was quoted. Please do not do this. The figure of inches is from the U.S. National Weather service. This should be taken as a standard and not some unreliable travel guide websites. Go to http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mfl/localdata.php link and check the figure for each month. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.99.10.52 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Homeless in the Miami Arena?

How could people have been left homeless in the Miami Arena after the Great Hurricane? It wasn't built until 1988. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.172.148.231 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] City Infobox

There has been quite a bit of discussion on WP:CITY for standardizing the city infoboxes, and a consensus has been reached favoring Template:Infobox City over Template:Infobox U.S. City as the standard for all global cities (not just U.S. cities). For some reason, the Miami article does not use either template and uses it's own, but the infobox should be converted to Template:Infobox City format. Dr. Cash 02:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major revert on 11 July 2006

I reverted a bunch of edits by Worker31b this evening. IMHO the edits smacked of 'boosterism', trying to prove that Miami is really bigger than Jacksonville. This article is about the City of Miami, it is not about the Dade County metropolitan area or the South Florida metropolitan area. It is a plain fact that Jacksonville has a larger population than Miami, and so ranks as the most populous city in Florida. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 23:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hurricane / Climate section - myopic view in article

The "article" on Miami includes the following --> ""Despite this, the city has been fortunate in not having a direct hit by a hurricane since Hurricane Cleo in 1964.[18] However, many other hurricanes have affected the city, including Betsy in 1965, Andrew in 1992, Irene in 1999, and Hurricanes Katrina and Wilma in 2005.""

The reference given is --> [18] http://www.hurricanecity.com/city/miami.htm

So, being personally hit by massive sheets of water + constant 78 MPH winds / 85 MPH gusts within city limits during Katrina, and by massive sheets of water + constant 85 MPH winds / 105 MPH gusts within city limits during Wilma, does NOT constitute a "direct hit" ... ?

All this time, we were merely "affected" and not "direct(ly) hit" !

Several thousand dead trees and hundreds of damaged buildings will be happy to hear this !

((Perhaps wiki requires a massive body count, ala New Orelans, for a "direct hit" to be duly acknowledged?))

Wiki-know-it-alls -> Please define what is meant by "direct hit".

Thank you.

Katrina was still a weak hurricane when it passed over Miami-Dade County, and the eye of Wilma passed over Palm Beach County, so that was not a direct hit on Miami. You only had Category One conditions from those two storms. My wife and I spent a very anxious half-hour as the eye-wall of Wilma passed over, pushing against our front door to keep it from blowing in as we watched drops of water coming through the joints in the panels in the door. My mother had said the same thing happened at the house in Ft. Lauderdale in 1964 when Cleo passed over, but I had never understood what she meant until Wilma. If you want to know what a direct hit by a major hurricane can be like, read 1926 Miami Hurricane. That's the one that took the roof off my grandparents' house. So, if you think Katrina and Wilma were bad in Miami, you may want to leave town if a major hurricane threatens there. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 02:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Just as a side note: when Wilma passed over my area ( north dade county Miami beach ) it was just a dry storm, we had little to no real rain, within dade county area please see this noaa image. http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/tropical/rain/wilma2005filledrainblk.GIF

Donald Albury writes "" You only had Category One conditions from those two storms. ""

As far as I recall, a Category One Hurricane is still a Hurricane.

So therefore, you agree that Miami was hit with at least cat. one hurricane-level conditions, and therefore, Miami did suffer a "direct hit" from these two _hurricanes_? Yes, no, maybe?

Naturally, some will claim (perhaps this is an issue best suited for a consensus amongst learned weather authorities of this planet) that a "direct hit" must include the eye passing over the area in question. Perhaps this distinction should be made clear in the Miami article? ...in order to avoid confusion.

Your idea of a "direct hit" does appear to be equivalent to having the "eye" pass directly over the area in question. If so, why the hyperbole about your experience and your grandparents? What is your point? Must I assume that "direct hit" must not only include the "eye" but also include complete devastation and body count worthy of FEMA and Hollywood !!? I hope not.

For the record, ye olde Hurricane Andrew blew my own roof away (south of Miami of course!!), while I was underneath it ... and I don't really remember an eye or a pause/break in the action (sorry)... I guess I didn't get hit then, hunh? I'm sure glad the insurance carrier and the Feds didn't think so, at the time.

Let's review : Have you actually answered the question as stated, in a meaningful fashion? No. Have you given any external references from learned weather authorities in support? No, as far as I can see.

Therefore, I challenge you or anyone, without emotion, but with reason, and without thinking that an article is that personal private property which one is meant to defend because one is infallible in all ways Wikipedia.....

--> Please define what is meant by "direct hit" and give it some authoritative backing. <-- . o O o O (( with respect to hurricanes )

Thank You

The National Hurricane Center defines "direct hit" as,

A close approach of a tropical cyclone to a particular location. For locations on the left-hand side of a tropical cyclone's track (looking in the direction of motion), a direct hit occurs when the cyclone passes to within a distance equal to the cyclone's radius of maximum wind. For locations on the right-hand side of the track, a direct hit occurs when the cyclone passes to within a distance equal to twice the radius of maximum wind. Compare indirect hit, strike.

It further defines "indirect hit" as,

Generally refers to locations that do not experience a direct hit from a tropical cyclone, but do experience hurricane force winds (either sustained or gusts) or tides of at least 4 feet above normal.

"Radius of Maximum Winds" is defined as,

The distance from the center of a tropical cyclone to the location of the cyclone's maximum winds. In well-developed hurricanes, the radius of maximum winds is generally found at the inner edge of the eyewall.

So, by the National Hurricane Center's definitions, Miami did not take a direct hit from Hurricanes Andrew or Wilma, because the eye-wall did not pass over or even close to it, but Miami did take an indirect hit from both storms. Katrina is a bit trickier. The center of Katrina crossed the coast near the Miami-Dade/Broward border, which would put Miami on the left-hand side of the track, so a direct hit would have occurred if the eye-wall touched the city of Miami. As I haven't found a reference to the size of the eye at that time, I can't tell if that was a direct hit. The NHC's Tropical Cyclone Report on Hurricane Katrina[4] does state,

The convective pattern of Katrina as it crossed southern Florida was rather asymmetric due to northerly wind shear, which placed the strongest winds and heaviest rains south and east of the center in Miami-Dade County.

As Katrina did not become a hurricane until just two hours before landfall in Florida, even if Miami took a direct hit for it, it was a minimal Category One storm. In any case, "direct hit" is well defined, and Miami did not take "direct hits" from either Andrew or Wilma, and possibly not from Katrina, either. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 12:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and everything I said above has no effect on what goes into the article, as we can say a hurricane made a direct hit on a place only if we can cite a reliable published source that says so. Anything I said above about whether or not a hurricane was a direct hit on any place is original research. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 14:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] National historic status list

I removed that list as it's unnessarry and those types of bullet point lists are discouraged here. A few of the places are just outside city limits as well. Should be in a seperate subpage at best. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 19:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Illegal Puerto Ricans?

The article states "Today there are sizable legal and illegal populations of...Puerto Ricans,...". Miami cannot have illegal Puerto Ricans. Remove or rephrase? Mal7798

[edit] snow on tropical plants

A snow dusting reportedly covered coconut trees and other true tropical palms in the northern suburbs, an extremely rare event.

I removed the above from the article until it can be properly sourced. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 12:53, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I always find it odd that people who know nothing about a certain topic decide to edit entries just because they don't think it's true or can't source it, even though they can't proove it ISN'T true. As it so happens to be, yes, it has snowed in Miami: http://www.usatoday.com/weather/resources/climate/2004-12-21-florida-snow_x.htm

I think what he wants sourced is the part about the snow covering coconut trees, not the snow itself. The part about snow itself is still included, but the detail of whether or not it dusted coconut trees is not verified and could or could not be true. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 02:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History Section Gutted??

History section seems to have lost alot of information. The cached version on google includes many details missing from this current version. Noticable due to the fact that the sentence "After the Second Seminole War ended in 1842, Fitzpatrick’s nephew, William English, re-established the plantation in Miami." references Richard Fitzpatrick, who is no longer in the article.

Fitzpatrick is first referred to in the Google cached version in "In the 1830s, Richard Fitzpatrick bought land on the Miami River from the Bahamians, becoming one of the first and most successful of the permanent white settlers. He operated a successful plantation with slave labor where he cultivated sugar cane, bananas, corn, and tropical fruit. Fort Dallas was located on Fitzpatrick’s plantation on the north bank of the river."

Since I am new at this and there appears to be others with better skill at this, I figure I meention it rather than just blanketly restore all the missing photos and information.

In addition, the William English linked in this article jumps to an illinois congressman that once ran for vice-president. Is this the same person? I see no reference to the plantaion on his page, so it might be a different person altogether.

Note that there is a History of Miami, Florida article that was split off this article. The William English link was probably made by someone who saw they got a blue link and didn't bother to see if it was a valid link. I'll fix it. -- Donald Albury 22:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of the city's name

What is the origin? Perhaps I missed it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.155.51.134 (talk) 22:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

It's named after the Miami River. That article discusses the origin of the term 'Miami'. -- Donald Albury 02:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries

There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada.

This proposal would allow for this article to be located at Miami instead of Miami, Florida, bringing articles for American cities into line with articles for cities such as Paris and Toronto.--DaveOinSF 16:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
This may be OK for Global cities, but I think it would be a mistake to apply it wholesale. For one thing, which Kansas City gets to be the Kansas City?
Currently, Miami redirects to Miami, Florida, which means Wikipedians have decided that the city of Miami in Flordia is clearly the most important use of the word Miami, much like Dog is the title of the article about the animal and NOT a redirect to Dog (disambiguation), a disambiguation page where one could also choose to click on Dog (zodiac). The proposal would allow the title of the article for the city of Miami in Florida to be Miami. Kansas City is another matter. Currently, Kansas City currently redirects to Kansas City (disambiguation), meaning Wikipedians have decided that no use of the word Kansas City is clearly the more important than any other. Kansas City would continue to redirect to a disambiguation page and articles for Kansas City, Missouri and Kansas City, Kansas would not move.--DaveOinSF 02:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
However the proposal would allow U.S. cities to be inconsistent with the vast majority of other U.S. cities and towns, which (with a few exceptions) all use the "city, state" convention. -Will Beback 23:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Climate?

It says in the article that Miami has a temperature range of about 80-low 90s in summer. Is there a source for this, because I recall low 90s-low triple digits every day for weeks. | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 13:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Let's see: [5], [6], [7], [8] . That's from the first page of hits on Google for 'miami climate summer'. Are you thinking of the heat index, which does indeed get high during the summer? -- Donald Albury 15:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
No, I remember seeing the thermometer in the high nineties almost daily. Maybe it was just an above average summer. Thanks for the links anyways Donald. | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 18:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
The official temperature is measured by the Weather Bureau at the airport. YMMV with other thermometers. -- Donald Albury 23:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, ok. Thanks for the info. | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 00:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UHM?!

Miami is a major city and a third world country in southeastern Florida, in the United States.

I don't know if thats supposed to be a joke, but HONESTLY. People do reports, and use Wikipedia for them. The information is supposed to be factual, and just because you had a bad experience in Miami doesn't mean you need to take your anger out on articles! Miami CAN'T be a third world country. One because it's a CITY, in a STATE, thats in a COUNTRY, and the United States is BY FAR not a third world country. GROW UP.

75.21.200.234 03:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It's vandalism, the largest downfall of Wikipedia, don't take it too personally or seriously, most vandals shoot for this type of reaction because it gives them a kick, just ignore it, remove it, clean it, and move on, or alert a user about it and he or she will change it. Thanks. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 03:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


If you feel that Miami is not a third world country, then perhaps you should take that up with Rep. Tom Tancredo. I assume you haven't read his comments about the city?

I have been to Miami, and it is definatly not third world. I have been to one of those too, there is a major difference; I don't care if one politician said it is, because very simply, it isn't. | AndonicO Talk · Sign Here 21:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I live in Miami. Tom Tancredo is a complete idiot. Third world countries do not have running water, electricity and sewer systems connected to every house. Miami does. They also don't have interstate connected expressways, metrorails, world-class hospitals, shopping malls every few miles, and 900 sq.ft. condo units that sell for half a million USD. Miami does. Also, no other city on the planet has as much skyscraper construction as Miami right now, something like 160 approvals with over 60 actually under construction as this is being typed. Third world status is based on economy and infrastructure, two things Miami is definitely not lacking. In fact, Miami is listed as a World City. I don't see Denver or any other Colorado cities on the list. The fact that there are many foreigners present, some which don't speak English too well is irrelevant. Rep. Tancredo is ignorant and needs to look up the definition of "3rd world". Try talking to a NYC cab driver. Most of them don't know more than 30 words of the English language - look at all the foreigners in NYC, it must be a third world country! - Marc Averette 15:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move page

I noticed that the Chicago page doesn't come with the state on the name of the article as it was moved several months back. Should we do the same with this article, this is the most well known miami of course and the Miami article already redirects here. Any thoughts. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 07:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

There is a long and bitter argument about the naming convention for US populated places at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements). I am opposed to making any more exceptions to the current 'comma' convention. -- Donald Albury 11:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
There was a major argument about this in the Los Angeles article; it failed. The biggest argument there was that the bot that updates population figures based on US Census data uses the Miami, Florida format, and changing that would mess with that, or something like that, I don't quite rememember but there were many good points against changing it. Either way, I'm for it, but I agree with Dalbury concerning what to do about it. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 17:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Then why don't they change Chicago back to Chicago, Illinois? - Marc Averette 22:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I doubt one could discern a consensus to make any change in a US city name either way at this point. As lack of consensus almost always means leaving things as they are, I think the name situation will remain in a stasis until a true consensus emerges. My sense of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) is that a majority of the participants favor keeping the current 'comma' convention, but it is certainly not a 'super-majority'. Certainly the numerous polls that have been called have been shouted down, but that may have more to do with a reaction to premature polls called in an attempt to force a decision when most editors feel the time is not right for a poll. -- Donald Albury 00:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nicknames

Anyone know any other nicknames for Miami besides "The Magic City" and "The Gateway of the Americas"? Anyone??? There's gotta be others.

198.138.41.77 23:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Other nicknames can be used only if they are supported by reliable sources. -- Donald Albury 12:46, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I found two sources that list "Little Cuba" as a nickname. Who knows if they're reliable?
[9] - Marc Averette 14:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Hahahah! Little Cuba? I think that's kind of offensive to the Cuban community. Skillz187 03:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, several years ago I heard two women speaking about why one never came and visited the other. One stated "Why don't you ever come down and visit us in Kendall"? The other replied "My husband doesn't like to go south of Cuba". Maybe Broward & Palm Beach County people give it that nickname. I've never heard anyone in Miami call it that though. - Marc Averette 13:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I've never heard it in Palm Beach County. -- Donald Albury 21:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Subtropical, not tropical, climate

Miami's climate is subtropical, not tropical. There is a distinct difference. See the article on Wikipedia under "subtropical". Aldofern 04:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Well according to Köppen classification, the climate of south Florida from Lake Okeechobee south is tropical. Pink = Aw = tropical. No one argues that it geographically lies in the subtropics, but the climate is (according to the source) considered tropical. A place doesn't have to be in the tropics to be "tropical". Key West is a tropical island, yet lies 30 miles north of the tropic of cancer. The word "tropical" according to Oxford is "of or pertaining to the tropics" i.e., tropical flora such as coconut trees, which are not found naturally north of the big lake. In this sense South Florida unarguably "pertains to the tropics". Besides, you can hardly cite Wikipedia as it's own source.
I believe the confusion most likely stems from the fact that South Florida is subtropical (based on location) but the climate is tropical. Classification by place and climate are two different things. The summit of Mt. Kilimanjaro being nearly on the equator is no doubt tropical by place, yet it's covered in snow, so the climate is tundra, not tropical. - Marc Averette 02:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I was looking at the numbers, and Miami's climate is indeed a tropical wet-and-dry (Aw) climate (at least at the coast), with the January mean being 67°F (boundary is 65°F). It quickly grades inland to a humid subtropical climate, but you are right. CrazyC83 02:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Florida is surrounded by water on three sides, limiting southward movement of cold fronts and thus allowing a tropical climate to exist where it would not otherwise.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 14:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

The Gulf Stream also contributes to the tropical climate, as the east coast from the Keys up to Port Saint Lucie is tropical, yet the west coast cities north of Naples (at 65) fall just short of tropical with Fort Myers having a mean January temp of 63.8. Normal Daily Mean Temperatures of Select Cities - Marc Averette 21:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marina Stadium

Is there a link on this page (perhaps under a different name) for the Marina Stadium? I was hoping to find out some background on it. Jouster  (whisper) 18:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, found it! But it definitely needs some love (and a link from the Miami page, IMHO). Jouster  (whisper) 16:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Buildout?

Despite predictions of 'population buildout,' we have seen that the city of Miami's population continues to rise, in part through high-rise construction. While true that a lack of city-limit expansion makes a huge population increase unlikely, the city could potentially expand its city limits (if not politically). Legally, the only thing preventing annexation would be if the city were 100% surrounded by incorporated communities, which is clearly NOT the case. Many cities have been prevented from expanding politically, but a change in resident and voter attitude could one day see a city limit expansion.→ R Young {yakłtalk} 14:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Government

There is no discussion of Miami's form of government. The Miami-Dade page mentions its relationship with the rest of Dade County, but what about Miami? Strong Mayor form? Can we find someone who knows this stuff? Geoffwithers 17:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] City commission government?

Is the City of Miami a City commission government? On the official website it says that the city has 5 commissioners[1]. There's a blank spot for government type in the infobox. 74.225.197.63 00:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

According to the city charter, it is a "Mayor-City Commissioner Plan" form of government. I went ahead and filled it in. —Gintar77 01:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Population Estimates

The U.S. Census Bureau released new infromation on April 5, 2007 that places the Miami metro area's population second to Houston's metro area. Check it out.

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