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[edit] Welcome!

Hello, Meyer, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  A little belated perhaps, but anyway...Lectonar 07:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks to you, too. Glad you're working on Wikipedia! I hope to learn more about Kansai, and Japan generally, through your contributions. Fg2 00:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kita-Tokiwa Station

Hi. Thanks for your translation work. There are a ton of station articles in various states on the English Wikipedia, most of which have good sources in Japanese. Anyway, on Kita-Tokiwa Station, the Fujisaki Town edit was just one of the changes I made. Is there any particular reason you reverted them all? Using "municipal authority" is almost how I edited it in the first place, so the new way you wrote it is fine with me. But, for a couple of the other changes, I'd like to reinstate what I did. For example, "旧・常盤村のコミュニティセンター" isn't "Old Tokiwa Village Community Center". The Old (旧・) is actually describing the building as what it was formerly (the Tokiwa Community Center (without "Village", per our naming standards)) before being merged into the station. I also tried to make the other points into full sentences, to make the article a little easier to read. Neier 07:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editing your userpage

I do not mind complying with a WP community decision on user boxes, but I do mind you changing my user page. Substitute the controversial template with a redirect, put a note on my discussion page, but please leave it to me to change what's on my user page. -- Meyer 20:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Meyer, I apoligize for your being offended by the process I used to help clean up the userbox controversy. I made a change on your page that did not affect the display. The edit summary served as the note to you. And as we both know, none of us own our userpages. I know I'll offend some users along the way, but it's a price I'm willing to pay to help get this thing behind us. Regards, Rfrisbietalk 20:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bypassing edits to user page

Hi! Like yourself I found an editor had edited my userpage to put redirects in place of a user box, specifically Photography. I also object to having redirects put on my page and a user holding userboxes in his userspace, who could then change what is inside the userbox. to categorise me as they felt fit. My solution was to go to the template page, found within the userpage its redirected to, select edit and then copy the code from the template page, then paste that onto my userpage in place of the curly brackets and template name. that prevents any of my userboxes from suddenly changing its content or category associations, as such an edit would show up on my watchlist, allowing me to re-edit it. Take a look at my userpage to see what I mean. If you wish I will put a sample edit onto your page of the code in the box you removed, so you can see how its done. Richard Harvey 23:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of moral support. Your idea of copying the template text directly into your page is a good one, though it is a pity it defeats the usefulness of having the template in the first place.
For myself, I have removed all the non-WP-work-related user boxes from my page for the time being. I have mixed feelings about the user box controversy. While I fully support the idea of NPOV for WP articles, I don't see how statements of interest or affiliation on user pages, if kept within reasonable limits, or the namespace used for shared user box templates, compromises WP's NPOV. -- Meyer 00:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Catholicism userbox

Hello, I'm sorry for editing your page first and posting later, but I didn't notice your note until after I clicked save. I hope you don't mind the change, we're just removing the "101" from the project's name, so the userbox was moved to remove that also. Again, sorry for not noticing your note. —Mira 07:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

In general I do prefer to maintain the page myself, but in this case it's not a problem. Thanks for the note. -- Meyer 07:50, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Thanks for your concern, but it should be OK. This has gone on for months. We have "discussions" for weeks at a time with no progress, taking productive time away from other issues with this article. I think some change was needed to make progress. Various editors delete them. To the best of my recollection he is the only editor adding them. Gimmetrow 02:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:Politics Userbox

Hello Meyer. I've started using the WP:Politics userbox you have on your userpage - if this is a problem please let me know. --GoodIntentionstalk 05:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with you or anyone else copying the source code for my little "hand made" userbox. I'd make it an easy-to-template it it weren't for the predations of the German Solution faction. In fact, it may have been the removal of a similar template by the GSers that originally inspired my code. Meyer 19:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move Roman Catholic Church to Catholic Church

There is a vote at Talk:Roman Catholic Church: A Vote on the Title of this Article on moving Roman Catholic Church to Catholic Church. You are invited to review it. --WikiCats 04:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diocesan Infobox

To the Members of the WikiProject Catholicism

I have proposed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Catholicism an infobox for Catholic Dioceses. I have not gotten any feedback on this proposal, so I’m culling feedback, advice, corrections, etc. for this. If you have the time, would you check out User:SkierRMH/Diocese_Infobox and give me some feedback! Thanks much!!

[edit] Nana 707 soundtracks

Whoo, you're fast :D I went to make myself some dinner and then come back to finish off the romaji and you'd already done it! Thanks! -Yupik 17:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. It was a fun little project, though I don't have much interest in Nana or anime in general. Please check my translations, since knowing the context of the tracks may suggest better alternatives than I've come up with. Thanks for updating the 'needs translation' page. --Meyer 17:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I've no idea what the tracks sound like, unfortunately. I would assume that there's an anime wikiproject, but I can't seem to find one, but they would probably be the better people to ask to check the translations :) -Yupik 20:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Uff, found it. Took some digging :D Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga -Yupik 20:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Would you mind if I copied the box at the top of your talk page regarding the continuity of two person conversations? I think it's a really good idea. Shrub of power 17:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind at all. Please feel free. I think I originally copied the text from someone else, but I can't find where now. In any case, everything's GPDL here, so have a ball. --Meyer 23:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I can't see what the link for Help:Talk_page#How_to_keep_a_two-way_conversation_readable is meant to reach, as there is no such heading there and as far as I can see there never was. Maybe Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Technical_and_format_standards might be useful. HTH! - Fayenatic london (talk) 21:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I can't find anything like the link was originally referencing. Maybe it was a userbox that got Germaned. I've removed the link from the text. --Meyer 23:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I've found a collection of user talk page header templates at Category:User_talk_header_templates and have picked one for the top of this page. --Meyer 08:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ceolwald of Mercia, Eafe, Eanfrith of Hwicce, Osred

(The following discussion started in Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English. Please continue below.)

Eafe

How about some Latin, anyone? It's a short one. Hmmmm - I just found out that this page is for listings of articles which will be deleted if not translated. Eafe should be deleted because it is about a non-notable English monarch. I'm betting that there is a whole string of stubs like this, all taken out of the same source material. The uploader is using Wikipedia as a sort of genealogical repository? I'm going to prod this one but someone else who has more time could look for others. Cbdorsett 04:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Can monarchs be non-notable?--DorisHノート 08:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Aethelwalh of Sussex, Ceolwald of Mercia, Eanfrith of Hwicce, Osred are similar sketchy stubs. (Apparently the only references to Eafe and her father Eanfrith are in a single line by Bede.) Although I am adding a "needs references" template to Aethelwalh, I think all these four pass the notability test (they were all possibly kings of ancient British kingdoms) and do not need to be deleted. Eafe's notability is more questionable. She was the daughter and wife of possible kings, but all we know about her is included on her father and husband's pages. --Meyer 10:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
She is not really a monarch then. Redirect?--DorisHノート 10:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I found a translation of Bede and put it here fore the time being. Save the ref. if we go ahead with the delete or redirect. --Meyer 11:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Even kings may not qualify for notability. They may qualify for inclusion on a list of kings, but having their own article requires more. I vote for deleting all those, after they are moved to appropriate lists. Cbdorsett 12:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I dug up a couple Web sources on Aethelwalh and have improved the article. I think he's notable enough to have a page. The other three dudes, like Eafe (everything we know about Eafe and her dad Eanfrith is now on hubby/son-in-law Aethelwalh's page), don't so I've added prod templates to Ceolwald, Eanfrith, and Osred.
Since this discussion isn't about translation anymore, I'm going to copy this section to my own talk page and delete it from Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English in 24 hours. --Meyer 17:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

If Ceolwald of Mercia is deleted it will leave a red link in List of monarchs of Mercia. This could be converted to a black non-link of course, but even so it would disrupt the symmetry of the list where all the links are currently blue (indeed, I specifically created the page on Ceolwald to ensure that this would be the case). Ceolwald is referenced in Mike Ashley's Mammoth Book of British Kings and Queens. Some have expressed doubts about that book's accuracy, but it is a widely known reference book - and by far the most detailed in existence - and to dispute it would constitute original research. No matter how obscure Ceolwald was, if he was a monarch he deserves an article.

I assume the above post is by TharkunColl, the original editor of the Ceowald article. Having every item in a list blue is not a legitimate concern for a WP article. Even if we assume Ashley is an acceptable source, the fact remains that even his "Mammoth Book" contains scant information on Ceolwald, not even able to confirm his existence. That fails to meet the Wikipedia:Notability (people) requirement for substantial coverage when relying on a single source. --Meyer 18:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes sorry, I forgot to sign the above comment. As for Ashley being the only source, Ceolwald of Mercia has 153 hits on google. TharkunColl 18:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Rather than deleting articles, it is better to merge them, create redirects, or recycle them. Even very short articles (as Ceolwald always will be) can be useful (if Ashley is full of nonsense, it would be wise to have an article saying what very, very little there is known of Ceolwald). I'll expand it at the weekend and see how it looks. Of the others, Osred is now a disambiguation page, while Eafe and Eanfrith of Hwicce redirect to Aethelwalh of Sussex. Hope this makes sense, Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't object to the redirects, though I also don't see what good keeping the name space occupied for such obscure historical figures does. I still maintain that Ceolwald is too obscure for a page. Those 153 Google hits are most, if not all, mirrors of the WP page. --Meyer 18:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
On google books there are a good deal more hits for the other Ceolwald, brother of Cynegils of Wessex (according to some), than there are for the Mercian one. None the less, Ceolwald gets a mention in both Kirby and Yorke. The alternative is to merge the article into either Æthelbald's (bad idea as that could be easily expanded) or Ceolred's and remove him from the list of rulers, which is hardly sacrosanct. He doesn't appear in Kirby's list of kings of Mercia in the Blackwell Enyclopedia (which starts with Cearl). I don't particularly mind, just so long as someone searching for Ceolwald finds something. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Your recent expansions to Ceolwald's article now make it similar in length to many others. I would certainly hope that we keep it. TharkunColl 18:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree that Angus's edits make the article worth keeping. Thanks for the research. --Meyer 23:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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