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[edit] Edits by User:They call me Mr. Pibb and User:Rollosmokes
I have absolutely no clue what User:Rollosmokes problem is, my edits are proper, Under the section Current Owners it is not necessary to put for example Owned by Clear Channel Communications because the section title has already established that this part is a list of current owners of the stations. Second adding the prefixes AM and FM after the station's call letters are necessary primarily because it distinguishs the differents between an AM and FM in the same broadcast market with the same FCC issued call letters and if applicable two different articles if they exist on Wikipedia. User:Rollosmokes also seems to have a nasty habit of reverting without creating a public discussion and posting a message on my talkpage with the following statement "format here was fine for months until you felt the need to fix what wasn't broken", I don't think the article was broken I think it just needed improvement, My edits were NOT malicious I was simply trying to be a good Wikipedian and contribute. I would like to request that a Wikipedia administrator could look at this and a make a non-bias decision on how this should be handled and that the page be temporarily protected until this dispute can be resolved. They call me Mr. Pibb 18:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, seems ridiculous to put "owned by..." in box that says OWNER. my two cents Jorobeq 06:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Just my 2 cents - when the column heading is "Current Owner", putting "Owned by" in the individual cells is redundant. The heading clearly establishes that the entity named in the cell is the owner of the station, and Mr. Pibb's edits improve the table's readability. Nothing personal, Rollo, but that's just how I see it. dhett (talk • contribs) 22:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Edit War
I think it is time to settle this, we cannot just have Rollosmokes continously saying this is how it is done. I, for one, and many others out there would agree that putting owned by repeatedly in a column is not only unsightly and extremely redundant. I hope User:Rollosmokes that you can respond to this request in a way in which you do not appear as you did last time, in a manner in which you assert that your opinions are the only ones that are to be taken into consideration. There are now three users that agree with my position, Mr. Pibb, Dhett, and myself and I am sure you can find others out there. Let us try to resolve this in a constructive manner and not in the way in which it has been handled in the past. Jorobeq 05:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- For starters, how about adjectives better left unsaid, such as "ridiculous", "unsightly" and "extremely redundant"? Or accusations, such as "...you assert that your opinions are the only ones that are to be taken into consideration"? These can be inflammatory and in the case "extremely redundant", hyperbole (simply saying "redundant" is sufficient). A flag of truce waved at the end of a bayonet is unconvincing; if you're really serious about resolving this in a constructive manner, a good start would be tone down the rhetoric and accusations. For the record, Rollosmokes is not the only one who has expressed the opinion that "owned by" should be kept; Firsfron has weighed in with that opinion as well. As the Dave Mason song states, "There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys; There's only you and me and we just disagree." dhett (talk • contribs) 08:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- I agree that the accusations and hyperbole by all parties need to be left at the door. For the record, I don't believe "owned by... owned by" is really necessary; it does seem redundant (but not redundant enough to start an edit war over it). I was actually referring to adding AM/FM suffixes to stations which don't use them, and bolding CBS Radio and Clear Channel Communications while leaving other corporate entities unbold, here. This seems vaguely POV, and perhaps should be avoided (though, again, not so POV that an edit war should develop over it). It is my hope that a compromise can be reached here. In the meantime, the page is protected (and hopefully will stay protected) so that the editors involved cannot simply just revert to their preferred version. As always, protection is not an endorsement of the current version. Firsfron of Ronchester 16:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying, Firsfron - my mistake. My opinion here is to let the FCC license decide whether or not to include a suffix. If the call letters included the suffix, then include them in the article; if they don't, then don't. There is no need to add (AM), (FM), (TV) or any other advisory; the article includes the stations' broadcast frequencies, so it's easy to differentiate an AM station (WNEW-1130) from an FM station (WNEW-FM-102.7).
- As for bolding, it looks like the first reference to a business entity was wikilinked, and subsequent references bolded. Bolding attaches a sense of importance to the text IMO, and so, should be universally applied or not applied at all. If the subsequent references are bolded, then the initial wikilinks should be bolded. However, I recommend not bolding at all. dhett (talk • contribs) 22:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- For the record, I also agree that "owned by" under a table column labled "Current Owner" or "Owner" is redundant, but that a call sign should be the actual FCC call sign, so no "-AM", and "-FM" or "-TV" only when part of the FCC call sign. I also think a space would be preferable to a hyphen between the call sign and the frequency (i.e. KMET 94.7 rather than KMET-94.7). I also think none of this is worth edit-warring over. DHowell 05:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- In response to dhett I apologize that, i was not careful in my choice of words. Jorobeq 05:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- I am unprotecting this article. Those who have voiced their opinions on this page have indicated their preferences, and it is clear that the consensus on this page is that:
- 1) "Current owner" in the table with "owned by" on each subsequent entry is redundant and should be avoided.
- 2) Adding AM/FM/TV suffixes is unnecessary (because the frequency is already listed for radio stations, and TV stations are already listed seperately), and should be avoided unless that is the actual FCC call sign.
- 3) Edit warring over either version is silly, and only harms this article.
- I will unprotect this article in a few minutes. I would strongly urge those who warred over this article to keep away from this article or at the very least, refrain from reverting to your preferred version, respecting the consensus of the several editors who have commented here. Those who choose to continue the edit war for a third time may be blocked from editing. Firsfron of Ronchester 02:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you Firsfron of Ronchester I am now a happy camper, All of the points you have made is what I was looking for. Hopefully we (Meaning you me and other Wikipedians) can now all work in harmony with each other on this and other articles. They call me Mr. Pibb 07:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Sounds good. :) Firsfron of Ronchester 07:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you Firsfron of Ronchester I am now a happy camper, All of the points you have made is what I was looking for. Hopefully we (Meaning you me and other Wikipedians) can now all work in harmony with each other on this and other articles. They call me Mr. Pibb 07:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- I am unprotecting this article. Those who have voiced their opinions on this page have indicated their preferences, and it is clear that the consensus on this page is that:
- In response to dhett I apologize that, i was not careful in my choice of words. Jorobeq 05:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- For the record, I also agree that "owned by" under a table column labled "Current Owner" or "Owner" is redundant, but that a call sign should be the actual FCC call sign, so no "-AM", and "-FM" or "-TV" only when part of the FCC call sign. I also think a space would be preferable to a hyphen between the call sign and the frequency (i.e. KMET 94.7 rather than KMET-94.7). I also think none of this is worth edit-warring over. DHowell 05:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- I agree that the accusations and hyperbole by all parties need to be left at the door. For the record, I don't believe "owned by... owned by" is really necessary; it does seem redundant (but not redundant enough to start an edit war over it). I was actually referring to adding AM/FM suffixes to stations which don't use them, and bolding CBS Radio and Clear Channel Communications while leaving other corporate entities unbold, here. This seems vaguely POV, and perhaps should be avoided (though, again, not so POV that an edit war should develop over it). It is my hope that a compromise can be reached here. In the meantime, the page is protected (and hopefully will stay protected) so that the editors involved cannot simply just revert to their preferred version. As always, protection is not an endorsement of the current version. Firsfron of Ronchester 16:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Radio station addition
Please add WOMC 104.3 FM in Detroit as a former Metromedia station. It's now owned by CBS Radio. Steelbeard1 01:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- Done, with ref added. Thanks! Firsfron of Ronchester 02:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Television stations
Why don't we split the columnn "current affiliation and owner" in the TV stations table into 2 seperate columns "Current Affiliation" and "Current Owner" Jorobeq 08:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
