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Contents 1 Archives 2 Weather forecasting vs. Meteorology? 3 New page, plus troughs and ridges 4 Why no mention of atmospheric pollution dispersion modeling? 5 Institutions of meteorology/atmospheric science 6 Cleanup Tag Removed 7 Meteorologic oceanography 8 Timeline (in article) moved as per peer review 9 Topical and Sectional Improvements needed

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Talk:Meteorology/Archive 01

[edit] Weather forecasting vs. Meteorology?

I'm having a hard time understanding what the difference is between this article and Weather forecasting, which appears to be about the same subject. Is there some reason these are two separate articles with a fair amount of duplicated content? If so, what is it? If not, should these articles be merged? -- Foogod 21:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Meteorology is the study...Weather forecasting is the application.

Hard Raspy Sci 08:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

P.S. No merge pleeze, my forecast is...this article is nowhere near completion, and is likely to expand...

Ok, it seems there's some consensus that they should be separate articles, so I won't propose a merge, but the distinction as things are written still seems a bit fuzzy to me (I certainly understand the difference between a science and its application, but I was noting that both articles seemed to talk about both aspects, which is why it was confusing that there's two articles. Hopefully this can be improved). -- Foogod 23:40, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I concur that they should remain separate articles --though improvements to the articles should be made.

It raises an issue with the sharp, distinct division of atmospheric sciences to physics and chemistry; both are subdivisions of meteorology (and climatology) and are not fundamentally separate. There is overlap, the division to physics or chemistry refers to the respective principles in isolation. So they are distinguishable but the complexity and subtleties are poorly reflected on Wikipedia. The classic division of meteorology refers not to the field of science, rather: research and forecasting (operational).

So, weather forecasting is meteorology (yes, the application of, but not a separate entity), as are atmospheric physics and chemistry, they're simply arbitrary subdivisions. Even climatology isn't quite reflected well on here, as it is just meteorological principles over a set time period (usually but not necessarily longer term), tending more towards statistical methods. As presented now the articles seem to mistake weather and climate for meteorology and climatology, they aren't quite equivalent. Evolauxia 08:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I tend to agree both articles need work, even though this one was rated as a "B" class article after peer review. Each subject in their own right contains loads of information, as such each should be separate. Of course overlapping will occur, hopefully not too much... --Hard Raspy Sci 01:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Added information to the forecast section from an HPC study from a couple winters ago, as well as TPC/HPC studies of hurricane track error from the last few years. Thegreatdr 15:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New page, plus troughs and ridges

I've recently created the page Block (meteorology). I'm not sure where the best place to put it in this article is, so feel free to find a spot for it, and also to edit it with more information, etc. Also, we could probably use more information for Ridge (meteorology) and Trough (meteorology) if anyone can think of some good stuff to put on there. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 06:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why no mention of atmospheric pollution dispersion modeling?

Many of the worldwide leading scientists in the fields of atmospheric air pollution dispersion modeling and air quality modeling are meteorologists and they are also members of the American Meteorological Society. In their applied meteorology programs, many universities worldwide teach undergraduate and postgraduate courses in air pollution dispersion modeling. Why is this subject not even mentioned in this article? - mbeychok 23:25, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Well there is a page on this: Atmospheric dispersion modeling which is in the meterology category. I don't think it is appropriate to include all meteorology related topics in this article. I suppose there could be a See also section including this though. --NHSavage 23:46, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

NHSavage, thank you for your response. I know about Atmospheric dispersion modeling because I wrote it about a week ago and I linked it to the meteorology category. However, that does'nt really answer my question. Since meteorologists play a leading role in the important field of air pollution dispersion modeling, don't you think its worth discussing that fact in this article on meteorology? I mean more than just a "See also" link or just an "External" link to some website. - mbeychok 01:12, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I've glanced at the ADM article and it looks ok so far, however the first thing I see is Gaussian mathematics as part of the article. Don't worry, thats not a problem, its just says--Physics. Not that I mind one way or another, but the article might steer more in the direction of atmospheric physics or atmospheric science. And those articles do need help (one may still be a stub). Go ahead, and incorporate a section or into an appropriate section in meteorology or all three... --Hard Raspy Sci 04:27, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Institutions of meteorology/atmospheric science

I think the section on Institutions of meteorology/atmospheric science should be made into a new article List of atmospheric science instutions. Thoughts?--NHSavage 08:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a fine idea to me. -Ottergoose 02:49, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

On second thoughts - perhaps a link to Category:Meteorological institutions and stations would be better? It is far more comprehensive. There may be some ones from the list on this page missing but categories are easier to maintain. Then again perhaps we should have both?--NHSavage 14:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup Tag Removed

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--geoWIZard-Passports 09:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Whether or not the article is perfect, it does not need to be tagged since it is under heavy scrutiny and heavy editing. Right now let's focus on the article, and no uneccessary tags, please. "If you can fix it, fix it, don't tag it!" -- Hard Raspy Sci 15:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Meteorologic oceanography

Please join discussion of Meteorologic oceanography in Talk:Oceanography#Meteorologic_oceanography. `'mikkanarxi 01:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline (in article) moved as per peer review

I have moved the timeline out of the History section as advised from peer review. I would agree with the review, and have moved the data into the Timeline of meteorology to preserve the nicely found dates and persons by wiki-authors and editors... -- Hard Raspy Sci 01:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Topical and Sectional Improvements needed

The article as it stands is about 50/50. 50% creepy and 50% great. I am going to propose a direction here so that the article can be improved by listing its pros and cons. Feel free to modify this as needed.

(as of Dec. 31, '06)

Intro. Paragraph	Excellent, concise, very descriptive, does not need changing	Keep
History of meteorology	Generally pretty good, may need style improvements, content ok	Keep
Weather forecasting	Generally, ok, or needs updating	Keep
Meteorology and climatology	Pure crap, no refs, etc.	*Dump*
Meteorological topics and phenomena	This is really what the article should be about, but there is no writing here.	Add!!
Institutions of meteorology/atmospheric science	Ok	Keep
See also	OK, Nav boxes should be here, easy enough	Keep
References	Need more of these !!	ADD!!
External links	OK	Keep

Proposed new sections

Atmospheric circulation Atmospheric modelling Equipment of Meteorology Observational Meteorology Atmospheric patterns and oscillations Hydrometeorology Atmospheric layers ?? and maybe others

It looks like there are alot of sections already, there really isn't that much writing beyond the first three parts. I created the Links to other keywords in meteorology box (years ago) with the intention that it would ultimately disappear by acting as a reference of sorts, and it was hoped that those keywords would get spread out into the entire article (if possible). Thoughts, ideas welcome... --Hard Raspy Sci 16:54, 31 December 2006 (UTC)