Talk:Messier 60

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Does anybody know how to prevent the picture from covering part of the text? This problem persists in a number of other Messier object articles I have been working on --Kalsermar 16:09, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Moved ro Arp 116 2 Requested move (closed) 2.1 Survey and discussion 3 Requested move 3.1 Survey 3.2 Discussion

[edit] Moved ro Arp 116

I moved M60 to Arp 116. My reason is because since M60 has very little info and NGC 4647 has no artical, they should be put into one artical. This is only because they share the same information. Since thay are Arp objects, I've named the artical that the two galaxies share together. — HurricaneDevon @ 03:03, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I made a mistake. See below. — HurricaneDevon @ 03:18, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move (closed)

Arp 116 → Messier 60 : propor name for galaxy : — HurricaneDevon @ 03:18, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey and discussion

• Support: most common name used. — HurricaneDevon @ 03:18, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
• RENAME BUT it should be M60 or NGC 4649. but Messier 6o is not the proper name for the galaxy. NGC or Messier number should be the preferred name though. 132.205.45.148

• Technecly, it is being named the Messier number!!! — HurricaneDevon @ 17:23, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

• It does not have a proper name. You refer to it commonly with the Messier or New General Catalogue numbers. However, Messier objects are usually referred to with just the M and not "Messier Object 31" or "Messier 31" (M31 is the Andromeda Galaxy for people who don't know). Personally, I'd prefer using the NGC number as it avoids the different practices of calling this "Messier 60", "Messier Object 60", or "M60". 132.205.45.148 17:35, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
• If you can come up with an IAU rule stating that the "real name" is the Messier number, I'd be interested to see it. 132.205.45.148 17:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

• Move but not to Messier 60 but to Elliptical Galaxy M60 (that is now a redirect) where it happily was just like all the other ones that are named type-of-galaxy Messier XX. This one should just have been left alone in the first place and there should be a clear naming convention for these types of articles. Whoever wants to change M60 into Arp 116 doesn't know general (popular) astronomy.--Kalsermar 18:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Theres a new rule going around that astronomical object artical titles are not to have what the object is then it's name. And since M60 is already taken, Messier 60 is the whole name.[1] — HurricaneDevon @ 20:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I still think NGC 4649 is a better title. It avoids the messy Messier names we've gotten in Wikipedia. 132.205.44.134 21:37, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Moved to NGC 4649. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 06:54, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Could an admin rename this article to reflect the M designation in the title as per all other M objects that have no proper name like Crab Nebula and the like. Currently this is the only Messier object with an NGC number as title. I have tried renaming it but the titles it was known by before already exist like Messier 60.--Kalsermar 14:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)