Talk:Merkabah

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Shouldn't this article be merged with Merkaba? ArcTheLad 22:23, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes. I went ahead and did it.

Old discussion is at Talk:Merkaba

What is meant by 'speculation?' What weight does it carry within Judaism? Is it similar to the Catholic 'tradition?' That part of the article is unclear to me because it seems that the word speculation is used with greater weight than it is normally given.

Changed the word 'speculation' to 'exegeses'. Speculation seems to be too POV to be appropriate. --Shirahadasha 22:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Unsourced Material

Seems to be a lot of unsourced material in the article. Not able to tell if perhaps some editors are doing some speculation of theri own. --Shirahadasha 22:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Tarot cards -- the difficulty here is that nothing's been identified as a reference, there are only external links. Not all the external links meet the reliable source criteria necessary to serve as references. --Shirahadasha 03:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, especially for controversial subjects and subjects where different religions, denominations, or scholars have different interpretations and opinions, footnote-style have often been found necessary to identify who proposed or supports what view. --Shirahadasha 03:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Especially notable is the bit about Maimonides, that he said the Book of Ezekial should be destroyed, etc.... I'm fairly certain he said no such thing; in "The Guide" he refers to the Account of the Chariot as a mystery of the Torah that needs to be guarded and kept secret, by which he means the first part of Ezekial. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.173.156.84 (talk • contribs) 22 December 2006.

[edit] Images

Moved the image to the Christianity section. In addition to the fact that these images are by Christian artists, Judaism has some difficulties making images of these things, although it certainly uses art for purposes. That is, the idea of using images as a medium for depiction of this represents more of a Christian idea. --Shirahadasha 03:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but it is not Christian-exclusive, and it's nice to give some visual image at the beginning of the page. 03:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stop moving image down

It has no Christian-specific iconography or symbolism, and does not express any Christian-specific interpretation, so it really has nothing to do with the Christian-specific section of this article. Furthermore the objections you raise are only the opinion of some among Jews, so I don't see how it's your place to impose one particular view on the article while claiming a putative right to speak on behalf of all Jews. The editors of the multi-volume impeccably-scholarly "Encyclopaedia Judaica" certainly didn't seem to share your opinion when they included many depictions of Biblical scenes by non-Jewish artists within their reference work. Furthermore, the paragraph at the top of the article is not in fact a "Jewish" section -- it's a section defining the basic phenomenon. There then follows two Jewish sections, one Christian section, one New Age section, and one Trivia section -- but the first paragraph does not belong to any of these. AnonMoos 03:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Move links to talk page. Several seem to be selling products or services, mostly of a New Age type, which it is claimed are based on or related to the Merkabah. These claims strike me as dubious. I would suggest limiting links to religious or academic organizations that provide information with some indicia of reliability. I would say the same thing of a site by e.g. an isolated rabbi without additional information to establish the individual's reliability. A couple of these sources may be reliable, I will move them back if they are. Please feel free to weigh in and discuss. --Shirahadasha 05:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Bravo. --mordicai. 18:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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