Talk:Melchizedek

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Major revision of article. I added a detailed historical section. 217.225.12.236 21:40, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)Eypper217.225.12.236 21:40, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 How to NPOV? 2 Most Bible Scholars 3 Historical Melchizedik 4 To NPOV: 5 Indian reference 6 Dominion of Melchizedek 7 Old Testament/New Testiment 8 Urantia 9 Merger 10 Organization

[edit] How to NPOV?

"Whether he actually existed as a person or as an abstraction remains a mystery."

At the moment, this sentence is POV (e.g. Bible literalists will not consider it a mystery). — Matt 18:21, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think you need to look up what NPOV means. (anon)

Why? — Matt Crypto 12:17, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Because biblical literalism is a fringe view with no evidence. NPOV policy applies to differing mainstream viewpoints that are supported by evidence. --Rob117 04:15, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Most Bible Scholars

I fail to see any evidence that this is most bible scholars. All non-Christian? all non=Jewish? all non-Moslem? Has the writer of this article been devoted to Shinto scholars of the Hebrew Bible as the majority!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elijah Michael (talk • contribs) 03:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Historical Melchizedik

What is this section? It seems to be solely one man's (completly surmised) account of an occurance, which could have many historical explanations. It ought to be a paragraph long at the most and suplemented by other historian's views. Or at the very least this stuff should be explained: What evidence is there that Melchizedek refers to an 'El-elyon' rather than Yahweh (Who is also refered to as El throughout the bible, anyway). Why would an 'outside source' be inserted into the bible? Why? Why? I think this article is in severe need of cleanup.

It is an essay presenting someone's personal opinion. Actually to me it feels like a copyvio - can someone look in the Anchor Bible to see how much of this text is here? Whatever the result of that check, this section is unacceptable. I propose wholesale deletion. --Zero 12:28, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I agree; whether personal essay or copyvio, it should be deleted. This person did the same thing to tithe, which should probably get the same treatment. Jayjg ^(talk) 16:02, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I found it amusing reading this article for the first time. Where only a moment earlier I read of Melchizedek mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and then this paragraph saying there is NO mention of him anywhere else except for the Bible. It should be revised.[mauger@gmail.com]

[edit] To NPOV:

I removed this from the article for now:

As a commentary on Psalm 110, Hebrews is important in New Testament theology, but, written over a thousand years after the Melchizedek episode, it has nothing to contribute to the historical discussion."

POV, really: Hebrews has nothing to contribute to the historical discussion unless (for example) you believe Hebrews to be the inspired word of God. Is there a point here that's worth salvaging and reinserting in NPOV form? — Matt Crypto 09:27, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

All scripture in the New Testiment is the inspired Word Of God. The Bible even says so.[mauger@gmail.com]

Melchezedek is the son of Seth his mother is Edokla, he is one "born of the Word" as per John 1 v1

[edit] Indian reference

What is Melik-Sadaksina doing on this page? Shouldn't it be on its own page? If people believe Melchizedek was this other guy, then perhaps we should cross-reference them. Otherwise, I don't think it belongs here at all. Jgardner 18:48, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dominion of Melchizedek

I believe the link to Dominion of Melchizedek and other things with references to Melchizedek are highly relevant. Please voice your concern if you don't think so. Jgardner 00:00, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Mr. Jgardner: Instead of voicing her concern see removed it without explanation after she just finished saying that she doesn't know anything about this subject.KAJ 07:14, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I think there should be a link to the DOM and their Melchizedek Bible, ev en if not directly relevant to the original Melchizedek.

-- Beardo 05:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

DOM is at least as relevant to Melchizedek as Morman teaching about Melchizedek which is in this article. Their Bible includes the Genesis verses about Melchizedek and is named after that Biblical character. A micronation named after the Biblical character deserves a reference here. Harvardy 05:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't see anyone objecting to it on the talk page. I don't mind at all. Just make sure it focuses on Melchizedek as a person and his history/the beliefs about him specifically within DOM. Wrad 15:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Old Testament/New Testiment

The last part of the section on the Old Testiment and the section on the New Testiment are cut and paste straight from another website of essays from a person. It may be copyright. at least there shuld be a link or reference to the site. http://www.crystalinks.com/melchizedek.html. Could someone let me know if the etiquette for editing. Shoud these sections go in the order of the article or the order they are inserted. TY [mauger@gmail.com]

[edit] Urantia

An anon added a "See also" section referring to Paper 93 of The Urantia Book. In so doing, he or she (possibly inadvertently) deleted some information including categories and links to other language wikis. Never having heard of The Urantia Book, and thinking that the new section read like one of those breathless flyers that is pasted on telephone poles, I then deleted the entire section and restored the earlier version. Then I went and read the linked "Paper 93" and the rest of the urantia.org website (and the Urantia article here) and discovered that this is in fact an established, er, thing. So I restored as much of the information as I felt belonged in this encyclopedia entry. Apologies to the anon for hastily calling the addition "utter nonsense"; following this investigation I would upgrade the characterization to mere "crank." -EDM 08:28, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

The entry referenced above was extremely incomplete and potentially confusing. I replaced it with a paragraph very briefly summarizing some of the key concepts from The Urantia Book related to Melchizedeks and, specifically, Machiventa Melchizedek, the Melchizedek said by the book to have been a supernatural associate and inspiration to Abraham during a major part of his lifetime. This seems reasonable in view of the vast amount of inconsistent and confusing beliefs of various religions about Melchizedek, as presented earlier in the article. You may think it's "crank" but it at least makes a degree of historical and cultural sense. LDM [ldmjr@comcast.net] 16:50 22 October 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Merger

I think that the article Melchizedek Priesthood (Christianity) should be merged into this one. There needs to be one article about the Priesthood, and one about Melchizedek himself, in my opinion. the sections describing Melichizedek as a person should be moved to this article. Many parts of these articles seem to have directly copied and pasted from each other.Wrad 20:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I just erased most of the duplicated information on the other website. I don't know if much else needs to be done. Wrad 00:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Organization

As it is, I think this Article has a lot of good info, but that it could be organized better. Other Biblical characters, such as David, are carefully organized to shows the facts and points of view of different religions. I think we have the info, just not the organization. Wrad 01:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)