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[edit] HOW-TO: Find all the Ogg files on Wikipedia

Now that you know how to play Ogg files, either Vorbis, Theora or Speex, you might want to know where to find files to play. Wikipedia offers a vast list in this page, most of them under the Public Domain. You might also want to check the Commons data base.

Furthermore, you may want to offer your help to Wikipedia by creating Spoken versions of its articles using either the Ogg Vorbis format, or Speex.

--Saoshyant talk / contribs (I don't like Wikipedophiles) 15:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links to this page

Can I suggest that this page is linked as standard to all the ogg media files pages? I have been using wikipedia for 6 months but have never used an audio/video file because i had no idea how to make my computer play them. In the end i had to search externally on google to find this page--84.12.21.104 00:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Every article that uses any ogg audio/video is supposed to use the audio or video template, both of which link prominently to this page. How were you getting to our media without encoutering the template? Raul654 02:25, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real player removed

Yes, RealPlayer stinks. But it's still some people's favourite media player. I reckon we should still list this as an OGG player on Wikipedia:Media help, even if we put a warning up there as to some of the criticisms. It's a fact that some people stick like glue to their choices of media player. I believe it's better to allow people to choose RealPlayer than lead them to believe that RealPlayer doesn't support OGG, which isn't true. I reckon that there may also be NPOV issues with leaving RealPlayer off there. TreveXtalk 15:46, 23 September 2005 (UTC) {Copied from user page User talk:Raul654 TreveXtalk 09:59, 26 September 2005 (UTC)}

I've removed Real Player from this list. TreveX asked me a couple days ago on my talk page about this, but (with the main page pruning) I've been distracted until now. Real player is a truely awful program. TreveX said he thought that making this subjective choice could be a violation of the NPOV policy, but he is incorrect - the NPOV policy applies to articles, not Wikipedia pages. I've gone ahead and removed it. →Raul654 22:04, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps NPOV doesn't apply here, but this was an aside to my main argument. You evidently feel quite strongly that RealPlayer isn't very good. Other users may feel differently, however. The purpose of this page is to explain to users how they can play media on Wikipedia, a number of options are given in order that users can make the choice most appropriate to them. RealPlayer's presence on this page is simply about giving users of Wikipedia the opportunity to make a free choice based on the fact that RealPlayer is capable of handling Vorbis and Theora files. To leave RealPlayer off is extremely patronising to users: "we think RealPlayer is rubbish, so we're not going to tell you how to play OGG files using it". I happen to agree with you that RealPlayer isn't particularly great, but why force users who use RealPlayer and are happy with it to change to another player simply because we don't like it? Restored. TreveXtalk 09:59, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I've used all available video players and Real is my favourite. Dan100 (Talk) 18:33, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Winamp?

Where is Winamp? I can't tell how many use it, but there was a time that it was one of the most popular audio/media players. And it has native ogg support. — mark ✎ 14:08, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

"It is highly recommended that you use a program which is capable of playing both Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Theora files. The reason is that both types files use the same file extension, namely .ogg. Programs which can only play Ogg Vorbis files, such as Winamp, will still attempt to load video (Ogg Theora) files but will fail to play them." →Raul654 14:12, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Ah, I missed that one. — mark ✎ 14:27, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Currently Winamp is not limited to playing audio files. As far as I know it was possible to play video in Winamp for at least one year. --213.142.200.101 07:29, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
True, but it's not, insofar as we have been able to determine, capable of playing ogg theora files. →Raul654 17:25, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
We could always e-mail them and ask, and if the answer is no, we could send in a reply requesting that feature. Too bad AFAIK admins like Raul don't get @wikipedia.org email addresses, they should allow that :-) --unforgettableid | talk to me 07:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Winamp play ogg Theora !!! http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Media_help --adrruiz \(talk) 13:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Confusing

This page is too confusing. My mom could not follow the instructions. How can we make the instructions easy enough for my mom? --unforgettableid | talk to me 07:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

  • I agree. There are too many options. — Jeremy | Talk 01:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree too.. The should be one option per platform. Is it really necessary to link to several closed-source players? --Tomhannen 13:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Special:Playmedia

Also, could we make a page called, um, let's say, Special:Playmedia with <embed> tags that cause Firefox to automatically download an appropriate player, just like Firefox does now with Flash for users who don't have the Flash plugin yet? --unforgettableid | talk to me 07:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Playing Ogg files in iTunes

Would it be worth including instructions to install the Xiph.org QuickTime components, which should allow the playback of Ogg files in iTunes? I'm asking, rather than just adding it to the page, because it's not an official addon from Apple, and hence it's possible that it'll be broken by Apple at a future update of iTunes. Mike Peel 03:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Raul654 seems to be reverting all edits that put this into the page. The reason given is that only software which can play both the audio and video versions of Ogg should be listed. I would disagree with this - I use iTunes for audio playback, and VLC for video playback, and only half the help for this setup is available here.
I would propose that we list methods for getting Wikipedia content to work in as many mainstream programs as possible (by 'mainstream' I mean used by a reasonable amount of people). We're not making recommendations here, as that's biased; we're providing help for users. Whether the program is capable of playing audio, or video, or both should be mentioned at the top of the instructions for that software. Mike Peel 12:13, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia contains both ogg vorbis and ogg theora (and is, to my knowledge, the only site on the internet that does so). Due to a profoundly bad decision on their part - to use the same extension, .ogg, for both, operating systems will default to a single program to play both. We will *not* be listing players here that can only play half of these, because that will only lead to complaints from viewers that they followed the instructions and couldn't play a certain file. Raul654 16:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the explaination. Mike Peel 18:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
As of XiphQT 0.1.5, iTunes can play both Vorbis audio and Theora video fine, as I have tested on Mac OS X. It should also work fine on Windows, but as I do not have a Windows computer to test with, I'm only going to be re-adding the guide for iTunes for Mac OS X for now. On a related note, since any QuickTime player (and there are a dozen or so on the Mac) can use these components, maybe it should be written like the DirectShow entry for Windows, or GStreamer for Linux? But the only other QuickTime player I can think of that's worth linking to is NicePlayer... --Dicey 08:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Time For Downloads

Instead of saying 'this should take about X minutes on 56k connection (which is becoming increasingly rare now; even in NZ, which has some of the worst internet connectivity in the world, many people now have good broadband), why don't we just say how big the file is? This would allow people to make the simple deduction themselves how fast it would take, depending on their highly variable internet connections.

I also don't like that less than 2 minutes has been bolded for WMP, it looks more like an ad from MS than a wikipedia article like that.

[edit] Saving

Okay, I can now play Ogg files, but how can I save other files as them? --OGoncho 07:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You need an Ogg Vorbis encoder (or an Ogg Theora encoder if you want to encode video). I just use oggenc but you'll probably be more comfortable with something like Audacity. —Keenan Pepper 13:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. --OGoncho 21:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
CDex (Windows) and abcde (Linux) also support creating ogg files. I have found them easier to use for this purpose than Audacity. --Geekdog 13:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recommended Players

For reference, j^ on IRC #theora says on 28--Sept--2006:

GChriss: Wikipedia:Media help (Ogg) <-- Is this page complete and up to par?
j^: or os x it should list http://xiph.org/quicktime/
j^: oh it does under itunes, confusing
j^: and mplayer sure is not the number one choice, quicktime or VLC are
GChriss: j^: mind if I quote you on that? the page doesn't make a recommendation per se, but it would be fine on the talk page
j^: you can quote me sure, the order was suggesting a recommendation to me
j^: oh and it should be Ogg not OGG
j^: all over

GChriss <always listening><c> 16:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] So, HOW do I play OGG files?

I've never been able to get these audio files to work. I click on the pronunciation link, the file downloads, but my computer can't find the proper player, and when I click "search the internet for the appropriate program" I just get a page that loads blank. When I click "download programs" on the help link next to pronunciation I just get a list of players that either I already have or seem redundant to what I already have. I just don't get what I'm supposed to do. CClio333 02:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Follow the instructions on this page. Raul654 16:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Could you be more specific? Do you mean the Media Help (Ogg) page? Because nothing on that page addresses my problem. CClio333 21:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Look for step 7 under the Windows tutorial. Does it help?--Saoshyant talk / contribs (I don't like Wikipedophiles) 11:00, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plan 9 from Bell Labs

I don't suppose there are many Plan 9 users out there, but could there be some information on how to play Vorbis/Theora in Plan 9. Oh, and maybe Haiku too?--Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves/Saoshyant talk / contribs 10:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Interesting software, but is the number of users at least three digits? It wouldn't make much sense to include the instructions otherwise. Thanks, GChriss <always listening><c> 17:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Plan 9? Probably much more than 100 people. Haiku? Not so much.--Saoshyant talk / contribs (I don't like Wikipedophiles) 11:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Broken link.

The link http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/ on the Ogg Media help page does not work anymore.

Yes, I think the domain name expired. Is there any alternate way to be able to play Ogg files? (Other than installing an alternate player, that is) Thanks, Am00nz0r5 20:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
The site is back. For future reference, if it ever goes down Windows users can check the DefilerPak (or find a mirror of illi's work).--Saoshyant talk / contribs (I don't like Wikipedophiles) 15:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sample Video Post on Wikipedia

Can someone please send me a link to a video posted on Wikipedia?

I've been looking for the last 20 minutes, and I cannot seem to find a sample of this Ogg video format.

Please help.

Thanks, Kyle

I've uploaded a few hundred to commons. See Komodo dragon, for example. Raul654 16:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MPlayer Windows GUI

The Windows version of MPlayer now has a GUI. I'll update the page accordingly. Now that a command line is not required, I'll remove the references to advanced users who are familiar with command line usage.

[edit] Help Me

I've done everything this page asks of me, but I'm still unable to play ogg files. I get an error message when I try to open one. I've downloaded the coddec and everything, uninstalled it, reinstalled it...Please leave a message on my page. --Criticalthinker 10:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Going Too Fast

I've been using the Mac OS X version of the Ogg player on files from the Homestar Runner Wiki (my username there is Brightstar Shiner) and it works perfectly fine, except that when I play the spoken article files, they play way too fast. I don't know why this is happening. Could someone please help me? Thanks in advance, -216.201.58.10 21:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Could you post a direct link to one of those files? I'm not a Mac OS X user, but I can check if there's a problem with the files. It's probably a bug on the player, though.--Saoshyant talk / contribs (please join WP:PT or WP:SPOKEN) 11:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I can't really, but the time on it looks like this: -:--:--. Maybe I'm downloading it wrong. Anyway, don't worry about it; I'll figure it out for myself. Thanks anyway! -216.201.58.77 01:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I just want to confirm that I have the same issue with MPlayer on OS X, with every Ogg Vorbis file I've tried to play (mostly pronunciations). Additionally, VLC truncates the beginning and end of the audio, which makes the pronunciation audio basically useless. I've also tried Democracy, but it's told me it can't play the files at all (which is odd, since I thought it used VLC's guts for a player). Afiler 19:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Afiler, would you plese fill a VLC bug report? This situation is pretty odd, and I do not want other users to suffer the same problem.--Saoshyant talk / contribs (please join WP:Portugal or WP:SPOKEN) 16:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] illiminable codec doesn't work

The codec here doesn't work for me.This one does. Perhaps we should use it as an alternative option, as I have followed the directions to the letter, and on several diffrent computers, but alas, the illiminable codec still doesn't work on them, yet every system I have used the other codec in has... The only problem I can see with this is 56k users, and users of Windows 9x. - 68.228.56.158 02:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

There's quite a bunch of ilegal and irrelevant crap in there. I do not recommend that codec pack for ANYONE. In case illi's pack does not work, look for ffmpeg.--Saoshyant talk / contribs (please join WP:Portugal or WP:SPOKEN) 16:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VLC Firefox plugin for Windows is unreliable

The VLC firefox plugin for windows will not play short OGG audio files correctly. This is a huge problem in wikipedia and wiktionary, where you are often listening to short files. I couldn't find anything documenting this. Short files tend to get truncated upon playback. Any suggestions? --Tomhannen 13:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

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