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Well, I think this page has a shocker name, but it's a bit late now. Just a small reminder to please direct users with freely licensed images to the Commons:. Wikipedia:Commons contains some useful information about how image policy and handling between here and there differs. pfctdayelise (translate?) 10:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree on the name too :-p, but hey, I didn't make the page. And we do remind people about Commons: :) --Admrb♉ltz (T | C | k) 16:45, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I made the page, based on a discussion elsewhere, but I'm not really sure I like the name either, it's not necessarily too late to change it though, just a few templates etc. What are some ideas for a better name? I don't like the word legality because it might imply actual legal advice which we certainly aren't giving. Anyway, if people come up with a good name I don't think it's that hard to change. - cohesiont 18:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Image copyright questions? Are you restricting to images only? Media copyright questions? Just copyright questions? pfctdayelise (translate?) 23:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
We would handle other media also, not just images, so media in the name is probably a good idea. - cohesiont 05:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I'll give it a few more days for responses, then change it to Wikipedia:Media copyright questions, unless another idea comes up :) - cohesiont 17:14, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Media can now be undeleted

Just to let everyone know that works on this page. See [1]. It only affects media deleted after the change, which is about 4:30 UTC 16 June. Yipee! - cohesion 05:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archiving

Does anyone object to User:EssjayBot II archiving this page? Say discussions over a week old, every week. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 00:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes please, reply also on talk page. - cohesion 07:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anton Corbjin- how to tag?

I have shrunk and reloaded one of his images. Then I got a message from ophanbot. Do we attribute his images some way other than fairuse?

Thanks, :) Dlohcierekim 12:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category?

This page badly needs a category. Does anyone know the appropriate category for this page? --Siva1979Talk to me 05:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How to delete images?

I can't seem to find an article detailing how to delete an image. Let's say I uploaded an image in error and I have no intention of replacing it, how would I go about eliminating said image?

Or is it automatic?

There are three main methods of deleting an image.
  1. Become an administrator.
  2. Beg an administrator to do it for you.
  3. Place a speedy-deletion tag on the image - I recomend the {{Db-noncom}} tag.
Jecowa 04:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks :) --Jecrell 06:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Building a flow chart to aid the process for new users

I'm currently building a prototype flowchart at User:Megapixie/CopyrightFlowChart in an attempt to reduce the number of "I have no idea" beginner questions. Feel free to tweak - but if you want to make any major changes please let me know at User talk:Megapixie/CopyrightFlowChart. Megapixie 04:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Good luck. I tried to make one once, but got bogged down trying to build a series of questions that would let anyone distinguish between a free-license image found on a website, a fair-use image found on a website, and an unusable image found on a website. --Carnildo 05:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Do I know for sure that the copyright to this image belongs to the website's operators? If no, unusable. If yes, does the website specify licensing terms that allow for commercial and derivative use? If yes, free license. If no, do I need to talk about this particular image for an article? If no, unusable. If yes, check the current conditions at Wikipedia:Fair use. Jkelly 05:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
If you do manage to make a visual flow chart - I think it'd be a really useful addition to the uploads page. --Peta 06:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
It would probably be too big and too complicated with too much text to make it useful on the upload page. But then again - you never know. I'll finish doing a text version (that everyone agrees on) first. Megapixie 07:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree, it'd be too complicated. Compare Commons:Image:Decision Tree on Uploading Imagesv2.svg, an attempt at an ultra-compact tree that doesn't cover fair use. ×Meegs 12:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out. I was trying to go for using less technical language as well, which is always more verbose. Feel free to dive in and make changes. Megapixie 12:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
"Licensing terms that allow for commercial and derivative use" seems to be too complicated for most people. Likewise, the large number of Creative Commons licenses is a major problem -- people can't tell the difference between CC-BY-SA and CC-BY-NC-ND. --Carnildo 20:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
You could probably use graphics. For instance: "If the Flickr image license contains or , it cannot be uploaded to Wikipedia."↔NMajdan•talk 21:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I've been thinking about this for a while now and I believe it would be difficult but doable (both designing a user-friendly and comprehensive wizard as well as the technical implementation.) —Ruud 22:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright flowchart alpha test at User:Megapixie/CopyrightFlowChart

Before I add a link at the top of the page to the flowchart - could a few people have a critical pass over it. I'd rather make any neccesary substantial changes now, before attracts any attention/traffic. Thanks. Megapixie 04:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I see a few problems in the flowchart:
On User:Megapixie/CopyrightFlowChart/InternetImage
  • " is the image the work of the US Federal government or its armed services?" - many people have trouble distinguishing between the various levels of US government. I'm not sure how to fix this.
  • " does the website the image is from have a copyright disclaimer allowing you to download and use the image?" - Very few people will get this one correct. "Copyright disclaimer" is vague, and people often don't know how to find it.
User:Megapixie/CopyrightFlowChart/WebsiteDisclaimer
You're asking people to make some very tricky judgement calls here. People have trouble telling who the copyright holder is, or what the copyright disclaimer allows. I've recently had problems where someone has interpreted Flickr's "this image is publicly viewable" tag as meaning "this image is in the public domain", or interpreted a website's copyright-grab ToS as being a free-license grant. You should split this up into a series of concrete yes-or-no questions, such as:
  • Is this an unofficial fan site or news site? - leads to 'probably not fair use; ask on Media Copyright Questions if you want a second opinion'.
  • Does this website have the phrase "some rights reserved" in the copyright statement - leads to a page on telling Creative Commons licenses apart.
  • Does this website have the phrase "personal use" in the copyright disclaimer? - leads to a page explaining that Wikipedia is not personal use.
User:Megapixie/CopyrightFlowChart/NotFairUse
You should split this out into separate pages for each question that can lead here, and include the reason why the image isn't fair use. People are more likely to do the right thing if they are told why it's the right thing.
User:Megapixie/CopyrightFlowChart/GoodWebsiteDisclaimer
Too vague. You can't put a {{cc-by}} on an {{attribution}} image, or vice versa. This page, however, implies that you can.
The pages covering the easy cases of fair use look quite good. --Carnildo 07:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback (and tweaks other people are doing) - I'll attempt to tweak it tonight. If anyone else can see anything - please either fix it or make a suggestion here. Be bold people. Megapixie 08:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Misdirected questions

Is it just me, or has there been a particularly high number of misguided questions ("mould problem", "The New Amerie Album", "How many humans die in ayear?")? My guess is that a new link to this page was added somewhere which users are now following. Is there any way to check this out? ShadowHalo 04:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

The other possibility is that it's hit the top of a Google search for some term. --Carnildo 08:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tweaked User:Megapixie/CopyrightFlowChart based on feedback

I've attempted to address some of the concerns raised above, and I've added a lot more branching. However some of the pages could do with fleshing out a little more. I would appreciate it if someone could give it another once over. If it's okay - I'd like to add a link at the top of the page to it (experimentally) to see if it answers users questions (though it might be hard to track). Megapixie 13:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I've changed the page that "no" links to on User:Megapixie/CopyrightFlowChart/CheckGFDL to one directing people to ask on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. If they reach the CheckGFDL page, and there isn't a GFDL release, then it's more likely that the image is under simple copyright than under a free license. --Carnildo 22:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questions by User:NAHID

I'm sorry if I brought NAHID's questions to the wrong place. They were flooding Wikipedia talk:Image use policy, so I brought them here. I know that they are not entirely traditional copyright questions. I hope it is appropriate. --Iamunknown 15:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps in a case like this, with so many similiar questions, all the user's questions, and the answers of others, should go on his talk page. That avoids needless clutter of a heavely used page. Once on his talk page, its up to individual people, to decide if they wish to read/answer the questions. --Rob 04:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Probably a good solution. The next question of the Nahid's questions I answer, I'll move directly to his/her talk page, and note that I'll be answering any further questions there and also that I'll watch Nahid's page. Is that appropriate? Would anyone else consider watching Nahid's talk page? --Iamunknown 06:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll watchlist it too. ShadowHalo 08:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Did you change your mind? ShadowHalo 22:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

No, I must have forgot about my idea. I still would like to do it. Sorry. --Iamunknown 22:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FAQ for this page?

Anyone think it would be a good idea to add a FAQ to this page, similar to WP:VPT? It should only handle simple things and perhaps explains the first steps of fair use and their questions (Why is it replaceable?). I'd be happy to work on it, but I would definitely need help in putting some of the "common" questions on there. Here's what I can think of:

How do I add a license to an image?
Go to the image description page. Click on "edit this page" and add the appropriate license.
Where can I see all the licenses?
See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags
Why can't I use this fair use image for this person/building/place?
The fair use criteria #1 is replaceability: An image of something that could be replaced. It does not matter if an image currently exists to replace that fair use one.
I got permission to upload this image to Wikipedia, how do I license it?
We don't want or allow images that have been given permission for just our use. We want images for everyone to use. Please do not upload an image with this permission.

Or if there is a FAQ on images somewhere already then we could just link to that. --MECU≈talk 12:04, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Seems like that would be fine, most of the messages sending people here at least attempt to explain the problem, but people find this page in other ways. I think we have plenty of real-estate at the top of the page to work with. - cohesion 03:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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