Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-22 Extremely uncooperative user, reoccuring edit wars
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[edit] Mediation Case: 2006-05-22 Extremely uncooperative user, reoccuring edit wars
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[edit] Request Information
- Request made by: freshgavinΓΛĿЌ 11:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- Where is the issue taking place?
- A load of pages, most related with Wikipedia:WikiProject Owarai of which I am the original creator. Masashi Tashiro, Koriki Choshu, Bobby Ologun, and recently Bakusho Mondai are frequented by User:Hatto, and other users performing the same edits (though usually not logged in).
- Who's involved?
- User:Hatto, me, other members of Project Owarai, and whoever else has tried to contend his edits.
- What's going on?
- He's generally not an abusive user, so I invited him to the project in the hopes that he would cause less damage that way. He generally tries to toss out references to Masashi Tashiro into every popular page that he can possibly think of an explanation, I guess because he's a fan of his. It's usually very inappropriate, in the way it would be inappropriate to quote George Clinton's views on Michael Jackson (assuming they weren't controvercial and nobody really cared). This is made much worse by the fact that most of the articles he edits are extremely small, so adding the trivial information really degrades from the core facts.
- Besides that he has a tendancy to enlarge pictures for no apparent reason, makes faulty edits due to his weak grasp of the English language, and refuses to discuss his edits in talk pages. I have repeatedly reminded him to leave comment summaries, defend his edits, not double revert, pay attention to the MoS and common sense, and I've done so in Japanese and English, but he rarely responds and never changes. This has been carrying on now for over 6 months and I'm finding it hard to keep my patience, especially since I've been trying to give him as much room as possible this whole time just to avoid any conflicts.
- What would you like to change about that?
- I believe he would stop if he was reminded by someone other than me about Wikipedian conduct. If a simple warning/reminder doesn't help then I think he might start to understand if he's blocked for a day or so. He's broken the revert rules enough times to deserve that.
- If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
- I've warned him repeatedly that if he doesn't cooperate I'd ask someone else to help.
- Would you be willing to be a mediator yourself, and accept a mediation assignment in a different case?
- I'm not really free enough to "accept assignments". I handle all mediations as they come to me.
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- This is, following the Categorical Imperative, the idea that you might want to do
- what you expect others to do. You don't have to, of course, that's why it's a question.
- ; )
[edit] Mediator response
I'll take this Geo.plrd 22:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
My name is Geo.plrd. Try having an administrator speak to Hatto. If Hatto still does not listen, you may need to recommend the article for protection. Also I would like to hear Hatto's side of the dispute. Feel free to contact me at user_talk:Geo.plrd
Update
If I dont hear from either party in the next two days I will close the case. Geo.plrd 22:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Evidence
[edit] Refusal to cooperate with users
Misconduct by User:Hatto
Hatto repeatedly removes comments from his talk page that accuse him of misconduct (multiple users)
[edit] bad conduct across mediawiki
Misconduct by User:Hatto
(link provided below) This is the history of the Masashi Tashiro article on Japanese wiki. Mostly because of Hatto's constant reverts (along the lines of "I think it's important, so you can't delete it... revert") it has been permanently protected. The last user (at the top) quotes "blocked because of edit wars". Other users battling with Hatto quote "please discuss your edits on the talk page", "removing spam", "reverting nonsense", "removing unrelated information", etc. Administration is much looser on Japanese wiki but his conduct seems to be the same no matter where he goes.
[edit] Removal of invalid copyright warnings on his talk page
[edit] Removal of invalid copyright warnings the source images without any discussion
[edit] Removal of invalid copyright warnings the source images without any discussion
[edit] Removal of invalid copyright warnings the source images without any discussion
[edit] Removal of Wikispace discussion on the copyright images
Misconduct by User:Hatto
again, no attempts at a resolution and a complete disregard for Wikipedia policy and methods
evidence 2, second offense on the same page
[edit] Repeated deletion of copyright warnings, labeling them as "vandalism" 1
[edit] Repeated deletion of copyright warnings, labeling them as "vandalism" 2
[edit] Repeated deletion of copyright warnings, labeling them as "vandalism" 3
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[edit] Compromise offers
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[edit] Comments by others
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[edit] Discussion
[edit] Preliminary Assessment
After reviewing the statements made by Freshgavin, I posted a message on Hatto's talk page informing him of this dispute and requesting his side of the dispute. From what I have reviewed , Hatto may need to be warned by an administrator but I can proceed no farther without hatto's response Geo.plrd 18:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hatto is clearly active and shows no intention of responding. freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ 06:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
