Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-03-30 Valencian
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[edit] Mediation Case: 2006-03-30 Valencian
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[edit] Request Information
- Request made by: Quarrydude 19:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Where is the issue taking place?
- Valencian
- Who's involved?
- The "author" or, it appears, controller of the page, Toniher, rolls back changes that question his catalanist and distorted views of the Valencian Language. BTW why is a Catalan rather than a Valencian in control of the Valencian page?
- What's going on?
- The content of "Valencian" is wildly inaccurate, in line with the Catalanist agenda of amalgamating Valencian culture into Catalan. The "author", or "controller" of the page simply deletes anything that seriously questions his, unproven, viewpoint about Valencian actually "being" Catalan. There is good evidence that it is not, which is supported by the EU (see Jose Sanchez' deleted revisions).
- What would you like to change about that?
- Evidence for the points made and discussion allowed. Jose Sanchez provided eveidence and was deleted. Toniher provides an unproven viewpoint, which is insulting and wildly inaccurate.
- If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
- You can work in any way you want. You can contact me here: david_moore@fastmail.fm
- Would you be willing to be a mediator yourself, and accept a mediation assignment in a different case?
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- This is, following the Categorical Imperative, the idea that you might want to do
- what you expect others to do. You don't have to, of course, that's why it's a question.
- Yes. That's only fair. Although I have to admit to being rather new to the Wikipedia.
[edit] Mediator response
[edit] Evidence
I have been reverting what I considered vandalism these last days. I'm not the only "author" of the content neither a controller. I'm Catalonian, but these kind of changes, which are sadly too frequent in Valencian issues, have been reverted by many other people as you can check, some of them, Valencian people as well. I would do the same if anyone claimed that Castilian is a separate language from Spanish, for instance. I indeed first included a section devoted to language secessionist POVs, «Theories of Valencian as separate from Catalan», in the body of the article. If you consider that my reverts may have been harsh, please use discussion page. Best regards, Toniher 10:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
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You don't properly back up your assertions. Other people such as Jose Sanchez politley made well researched points and were deleted by you. How does this constite vandalism?
Why can only the Catalanists have their opinion published? All that is requested is a balanced Valencian page. If a point is not proven it should not be asserted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Quarrydude (talk • contribs).
- Have you looked at the history of the page, and the history of the talk page? Toniher is not the only one to have contributed to the page, and please try not to assume his reversions were personal. It seems there's been quite a few editors with the same opinion as you have, and they've decided upon a way to resolve it. As such, you should probably take it up with the originators of the decision, not the editor who reverted your additions. --Keitei (talk) 22:21, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Compromise offers
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[edit] Comments by others
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[edit] Discussion
[edit] Requesting Update
This case has not been updated since April 7. I will be closing this case and moving it to the archives if no update is given and/or there are no objections. Cowman109Talk 23:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Case closed
This case has been closed due to inactivity. Should mediation still be required, a new request for mediation should be filed. The listing of this case has been moved to the archives. Cowman109Talk 19:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
