Talk:Meddling Monk

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Perhaps I should explain why the Monk's appearance in the thirtieth anniversary special is particularly noteworthy, but it's a spoiler and in any case I don't suppose anybody here cares much. So I probably won't. --Paul A 03:20, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia contains spoilers, so please do go right ahead and mention it. I wasn't aware the Monk made any appearances after his originals, so I for one am quite curious about it. Just make sure to put this line:

{{msg:spoiler}}

before the paragraph where you do, to give readers the option of not reading it. Bryan 04:59, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Moving page

I moved the page since the Monk's the only one of the titled Time Lords without a "The" prefixing his title as the article name. It's also easier to just add the "the" instead of removing it from everyone else. --khaosworks 08:02, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Master

Wasn't the theory about the Monk being the Master first made popular in a manual for a DW RPG in the 80s? Does anyone know anything about this? — P Ingerson (talk) 21:43, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like the nonsense that the FASA RPG was spouting (like the origins of the Sontarans), but I don't have any reference materials on hand. Let me do a little Googling and see what I can come up with. --khaosworks 21:59, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Page move?

The discussion really should be here instead of at Page moves. That being said, the reason for the definitive article in front of Meddling Monk is a combination of historical useage and inertia. It can be argued that this is his full title, not merely "Meddling Monk", but at the same time, there's the consistency issue, as we have entries of "Valeyard", not "The Valeyard" and "Rani (Doctor Who)", not "The Rani" and more especially "The Doctor (Doctor Who)", so it's starting to look like a bit of a hodge podge. There's also "The Inquisitor" and "The Other (Doctor Who)". I'm still considering what's the better way to go about this, but this will have a knock-on effect on the titles of those articles as well. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:37, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that definitive articles are not to be placed at the beginning of character article (or any article, for that matter), unless it's abundantly clear that it is part of their name. I.e. a sentence referring to them would be "Hello, The Cheat." If characters like Joker (comics) or Universities can't have "the" in the titles, I'm not all that sympathetic to Meddling Monk and the other articles losing "the" from their titles. They shouldn't recieve different treatment just because they all happen to be from Doctor Who. Apostrophe 15:48, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Do you believe in it strongly enough to fix all the redirects? The Doctor (Doctor Who) has about 500. --TimPope 18:36, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I only see two. Not all that hard of a task. Apostrophe 20:11, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

goto the article and click on "what links here", you'll see all the articles which link to it as its current name. All of them would have to change. Also check Master (Doctor Who) which you've already moved, not nearly as many, but you can see what has happened. --TimPope 20:31, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I've reverted the page move until final disposition of this discussion - it's going to be a massive project to fix the redirects, so I think we should all be appraised of the consequences and be prepared to accept it before we proceed with any moves. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:40, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

I'm still not seeing the problem. If people click on a link that's a redirect, it'd direct them to the article that the redirect page is a redirect to. If people click on Aeris, they'd still be sent to Aerith Gainsbourg. The only problem is double redirects, of which there would only be two for Doctor (Doctor Who). Or this a Wikipedia style thing? --Apostrophe 04:06, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I also don't see the problem with the redirects, I move pages like this every once in a while and rarely have to fix more than a handful. The only time large numbers of articles need relinking is when pages split into several articles for disambiguation-related reasons. Relinking articles to bypass redirects is a cosmetic thing that I only bother to do when I'm already editing a page for other reasons. Bryan 04:40, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Ultimately, after consideration, my position is that I don't mind either way - just that it be consistent. That is, if we move remove the "The", then it should be the same for all, i.e. The War Chief, the Master, etc. We'll just have to fix the redirects as we find them. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 04:54, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

So, if there's no objection, I'll start moving some that I can, then. --Apostrophe 21:50, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Do try to get a head start on fixing some of the redirects as you can too, while you're at it. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:26, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 13:45, 21 August 2005 (UTC)