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[edit] Throat condition

The part about Meat Loaf's throat condition being "mental" is false. He has an autographed photo hanging in the office of the ear nose & throat doctor who performed the operation of his throat-- I would know, because he was my doctor too. His name is Dr. Lane, and he's located in Bridgeport, CT- Just a few cities over from Loaf's home in Redding.

[edit] films and albums lists

Any reason why the films and albums list in different directions?

  • I am going to switch films. This is an arbitrary choice. Osmodiar 14:11, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] external links, official site

Changed and updated external links. MeatLoaf.net is now Meat Loaf's official website.

[edit] age

1951???

isn't he much older?

  • Mr Loaf can't seem to decide exactly how old he is. He said in his book that he was born in 1947 but has since admitted that he was lying and that he was actually born in 1951. When questioned about this during a 2003 newspaper interview [1] he showed his passport to the interviewer which confirmed the 1951 date. However, I've heard that birth records show that he WAS born in 1947(!). Crisso 17:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
  • i believe it was 1951 because of the passport

I agree: I think it should read 1951 unless Crisso can provide the reference to justify the 1947 date. I believe Mr. Loaf would do a double lie but right now I think the passport is the strongest evidence.

[edit] Inconsistencies

"the extremely successful second album..."

"best-selling debut album of all time..."

Anyone care to reconcile these two statements?

What about these two -- "During a show in Ottawa, Meat Loaf fell off the stage and broke his leg. The injury caused the cancellation of the rest of the tour."

"Fell off the stage and broke his leg during a concert at Toronto in 1978 - he finished the tour in a wheelchair."

So...he broke his leg twice in the 1970s, in two different Canadian cities, on tour? Right...

[edit] POV

"Dellentash and Sonenberg re-edited the movie and it turned out terrible." Hardly a neutral statement. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it was terrible....

"In 1981, Leslie gave birth to Amanda Aday, now a television actress. Also in 1981, Meat Loaf changed managers after finding out that Dellentash and Sonenberg were stealing his money." This makes it sound like they were rifling his wallet. And Shouldn't we cite some sort of evidence when making that kind of accusation? TheMadBaron 15:15, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

I wrote those statements and they are POV - POV of Meat Loaf. If you look in the references section you will see that his autobiography is listed. If the man starring in the movie calls it terrible, I would probably agree. Alos, the part about Dellentash and Sonenberg stealing his money was also in his book. He could be lying, but until somebody say something different, I think they ought to be left, even if noted as coming from Meat Loaf himself. Gorrister 12:17, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree they should be left, but in order for the article to remain neutral, they should be attributed to Meat Loaf. Direct quotes from the autobiography might help. Is this possible? TheMadBaron 02:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

The abbreviation is NPOV (neutral point of view). Quotes from Meat Loaf's own autobiography may not neccessarily be neutral. A more neutral statement would be something like "... Meat Loaf changed managers after suspicion arose that Dellentash and Sonenberg were embezzeling money."

[edit] Pearl Aday is up for deletion!

Just a heads up that Pearl Aday has been nominated for deletion. Go there and show you support! Does anyone have a genuine fair use photo of her: i.e. a genuine screenshot from a DVD (not a 'publicity photo'). The JPS 02:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV issues

I think this article is more or less on target when it comes to getting bio and discography information, but are definitely pockets where the article, particularly its word choice, reads like it's been written by an obvious fan, his publicist, or is taken from some autobiography he may have wrote. As someone who's familiar with the singer, but not a passionate fan, it reads a little too affectionate for a encyclopedia article. I added the tag because I'm not as familiar with Meat Loaf and I thought someone who is may be able to clean it up without accidently removing relavent info Bobak 23:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you have a stab anyway, Bobak? You can't do any harm! If anything important is removed it'll be readded by someone with it on their watchlist. And you seem to be aware of which parts need revising. The JPS 00:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I just read the article, and I strongly disagree with the statement at the top that claims the article "reads like an advertisement." It's not like the article idolizes Meat Loaf; at most, I would agree that the article's sections on Meat Loaf's current and future projects could be INTERPRETED as biased in Meat Loaf's favor, so if someone wants to change the wording, maybe that wouldn't be so bad. But the claim that the article as a whole reads like an advertisement is bizarre. By the way, my argument has nothing to do with any sort of Meat Loaf adulation on my part, I only know a couple of his songs. This is just my honest reaction to the article. I thought about simply removing the disclaimer, but I thought it would be more prudent to post my opinion instead, rather than tick anybody off. -- Minaker

[edit] Hope people don't mind as I am a newbie

but I just wanted to dip my toe in gently and just correct one spelling mistake: 'succesful' (sic) and change one word 'greatest' to 'largest' to make the first paragraph a little more neutral GrantB 07:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


As another newbie, a very little known Meat Loaf album was released in the UK in 1979, presumabley in a late attempt to cash in on Bat's continued success. Called "Featuring Stoney and Meat Loaf" it was released on the Prodigal label (catno PDL 2010) and featured some of the songs from the original Stoney and Meat Loaf albums along with a couple of unreleased tracks. Bizarrely it was re-released in 1986 on the Tamla Motown label (catno ZL 72217) I have a copy of the Motown release and could scan in the sleeve and put in a track listing either here on in the Stoney and Meat Loaf album listing.

As a total wikipedia newbie, I am not sure which, if any, would be appropriate and am lookinf for advice. Fork me 22:39, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


A couple of days ago I've updated the Stoney & Meatloaf article, and now it also includes the details on the Featuring Stoney and Meatloaf album Evil Nickname 12:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradictory Information

I'd just like to point out that it appears as if Meat Loaf broke his leg twice in the year of 1978! In the main body of the article it says that he broke his leg whilst on tour in Ottawa and then cancelled the rest of the tour, however in the "Things You May Not Have Known" section it says that he broke his leg in Toronto and then finished the tour in a wheelchair!

More conradictory information is about "bat out of hell III" clashes with the jim Steinman's page; on Meat loaf's, it states that it will be worked on by Steinman , whereas on Steinman's page it states that it will not be worked on by him but that meat loaf would be working on this on his own, and that there is a legal battle ongoing for the rights of "bat out of hell". I believe the latter to be correct having heard a recent radio interview in which Meat loaf stated this.

[edit] No Mention of Films?

This article goes into great detail about his music career, but only briefly mentions one movie - Rocky Horror Picture Show. The guy's got 56 IMDB acting credits, surely something else merits a mention here?

Thank you, whoever added that.
I replaced the section listing his complete filmography with a smaller section discussing his tv and acting career. Since the article was allready longer then recomended under wikipedia guidelines, I felt it would be better if readers simply clicked on the IMDB link at the bottom to get the complete filmography. All we really need at this point is a paragraph that mentions a few of his more notable film and TV appearences. --Cab88 09:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. Just seemed wierd that Fight Club, at the very least, was not mentionned, considering he had a much bigger part in that than in RHPS. -- Lurlock 02:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC) (Oh, those other two comments were me also, forgot to sign them. Oops.)

Damn, somebody got rid of it again. I realize there's an IMDB link, but saying you're not including information on the site because it exists elsewhere is a bit contradictory to the whole principle of the Wiki. Everything on this site exists elsewhere, or else it gets taken down for not having reliable source. If you're going to take down stuff just because there are other sites where people can get the information, then why not just delete the entire page and replace it with a link to www.allmusic.com or one of countless other sites that has this info? Eh, whatever. Don't care enough to make any more of a fuss about it than this. -- Lurlock 23:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradictions on Bat out of Hell III

I don't mean to cause any trouble by posting here, but I'd like to touch on the Bat out of Hell III topic. I've read the Meat Loaf, Jim Steinman, and Bat out of Hell III pages and have come to my own conclusions. I beleive, first of all, that none of this shall be known until Bat out of Hell III is actually released. But the conclusion I've made is that Steinman probably has nothing to do with it. Here is my reasoning: I've heard (not verified completely) that Meat Loaf announced the work-in-production of Bat out of Hell III at a somewhat recent concert. But, as stated 2 messages above, Steinman claims not to have any involvement in it. Now, personally, I'd beleive Steinman's word (it's hard to explain my thought process). Since no one really knows for sure — except Meat Loaf and Steinman themselves — perhaps we should, on all three pages, post that "it is beleived that..." or something of the sort related to the topic. That is, until it actually comes out. Basically my point is that if it is going to be on Wikipedia and no one knows for sure, it should be stated so. Thanks!

[edit] Real Name: Marvin or Michael? Or MEAT???

This article shows his real first name as Michael. An AP story today gives his real first name as Michael.[2] I'm not going to change the article, but I am going to create a redirect for "Michael Aday" to this article. --24.53.74.197 14:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I was going to raise this point again as well. Several news articles note his first name as Marvin as well (quoting us?) but the references to the suit all say Michael. I'm trying to track down the filing; I assume we'll have to consider it authoritative... --Baylink 17:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure, but he was born Marvin Lee Aday but changed his name to Michael Aday when a Levi ad used his name and "fat" in the same sentence. I guess he was a little offended. Aaрон Кинни (t) 07:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Some sources say that he legally changed his name to Meat Loaf. Any cites either way? What does it say on his passport?

[edit] Copyright violations

Please do not copy and paste from other websites. It is copyright infringement. I've removed huge chunks taken directly from the IMDb. The JPStalk to me 11:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] charlie manson encounter

i was searching meat loaf on youtube and came accross this video [3] in which meat loaf recalls picking up charlie manson who was hitch hiking. i wouldn't know where this would fit in, maybe trivia. i'm just putting the information here for anyone who wants to use it. ~~Patrick~~ 22:50, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amazon tracklisting

According to the tracklisting, one of the tracks is "Bad For Good" - assuming this is a Jim Steinman contribution, woah - that song is old. V. old. It also mentions "It’s All Coming Back To Me Now" - another Jim Steinman song, previously recorded by Celine Dion - will be interesting to hear Meat Loaf's take on that. But hardly an album of new material is it... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.108.145.11 (talk • contribs).

Well, as far aas I see, only (Steinman, anyway) three of the 14 are covers, and these versions haven't been released before. Since a producer is involved, with a different "take", I think we can safely say it is original. The JPStalk to me 11:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
According to BBC News today, seven of the tracks are Jim Steinman authored - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5243252.stm


[edit] Controversy?

Throughout the article, there is much mention of "controversy" surrounding Bat out of Hell. I'm missing it. Can someone clarify or point out in the article how or why it was controversial? Thanks. Thorns Among Our Leaves 18:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

No idea. I've removed them. I imagine that it might refer to the difficulties in getting a deal? But hardly 'controversial'. The JPStalk to me 19:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Vegeterianism

I just heard an interview with Meat Loaf on radio and I think he said he was a vegetarian from '81-92 but has since gone back to eating meat. Perhaps someone would like to confirm this and modify it in the Trivia section.

[edit] Bat 3 Leak

In the BOOH3 section, it mentions that the title track was leaked onto the Internet in May. Should it be mentioned that the album was leaked in September? Brooza 20:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ted Nugent

Is it possible to add the Ted Nugent album Free For All to the article, since Meat Loaf sang some songs on it?

If I would know anymore about the album apart from which five songs mr. Loaf sang on, I would. Evil Nickname 20:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discography

The discography now mentions the following albums: Live at the Bottom Line, Live in Cleveland and Hot as Hell. These are all bootlegs, and not official releases. Should those remain in the article? Evil Nickname 20:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Yes, for I posted them all and own them all. They are original and one-of-a-kind recordings with exclusove songs meat proforms and should be reconized as much as Live around the world is. Plus There's also Live at the Bottom Line 1985 also. This has live recordings of Jump'n the gun, Bad attitude, and Peice of the action! -- Mr.Mushnik 02:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
These recordings are not official releases, but Bootleg recordings. If you start to include those, I think you have to include them all. (And there are quite a few more than those you mention.) And beyond the tracklisting, there isn't a lot of useful information available about most bootlegs. Evil Nickname 08:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalisim

I have noticed widespread vanalisim on this article, such as calling the Bat Out of Hell albums Bat out of my Ass and the like.

I would fix it myself, but it is so widespread that I think it would take a total revert to do. I'm not sure how to do it.

Could someone more knowlageable about such things do it?Luthien Minyatur 17:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] religion

Does anyone know if Meat has a religion or not ? I am assuming being from texas he was possble a baptist or some form christian sect. Please forgive my crap grammer for the record and thank you for your time.


[edit] Aday

How pronounce last two letters (AY) in the reality family name "Aday" in singer Meat Loaf. Like second and third letter in word "Day" or like second letter in word "Pit". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.154.204.171 (talk) 18:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] New Year's Eve duet girl??

Does anybody know the girl Meat Loaf did the Duet with? I'm pretty sure she is perfect. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.191.20.136 (talk) 02:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

Van Morrison is the best known member of the NI band Them, but I don't believe that Van the man would ever have referred to the band as his, and it was certainly never called Van Morrison's Them at the time of their first two albums (as issued in the UK). 00:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Van Morrison's Them

Van Morrison is the best known member of the NI band Them, but I don't believe that Van the man would ever have referred to the band as his, and it was certainly never called Van Morrison's Them at the time of their first two albums (as issued in the UK). 00:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of Meat Loaf??

His first girlfriend called him Meat in homage to Porky's? Why is that in there? He was going by Meat Loaf wayyy before then, i'm taking that out. Anybody who knows the real origin of his actual name, put it there. (The article says that he got the name Meat Loaf when his girlfriend called him Meat in homage to the 1982 teenage sex comedy Porky's)

[edit] Album Sales?

"Bat Out of Hell, the debut album which had been four years in the making, sold over 34 million copies, almost becoming more profitable than Michael Jackson's blockbuster Thriller, which sold 60 million copies."

How is that even close to Thriller? Danielsage98 08:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First On Stage Autograph

I went to the show in Ottawa and Meat Loaf signed what he said was the first and only On-Stage autograph of his career. Maybe we mention this is the trivia section? Kratos Aurion 02:01, 17 March 2007 (GMT -5)

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