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Contents 1 Grammatical Edit 2 Promo video and meaning of "MDK" 3 Thinking of adding more 4 Laguna Beach? 5 Images link 6 Added info about Kurts Coil suit and Minecrawler 7 External links 8 Concept art Images on this page 9 Further Cleanup 10 Re-Evaluation? 11 DP Files.

[edit] Grammatical Edit

I just cleaned up the grammar and spelling a little. i presume the origional author might have been too embarresed to do so (i know that everytime i accidentally make a spelling error, im too ashamed to change it!) NanotechStudent 07:56, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Promo video and meaning of "MDK"

If this video is really the promo video (and all signs seem to point that way), then there's really no question on what MDK means: Murder Death Kill. It says explicitly, right there! Can anyone confirm the validacy of this? ☢ Ҡi∊ff⌇↯ 08:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

That was the development code name. Really, isn't it really more funnier not knowing what it means?--Fr3k3r 20:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no single, correct definition for MDK. That's the joke. Gregmg 13:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Glad we agree, but I often consider "Mega Destructive Kurt" as a good alternative name. Maybe relating it spiritually to "Megaman"? (The promo video) He does have similar gadgets and suit but Kurts in 3D. I often sometimes think that MDK could of been pitched as "A 3D hyperactive Megaman with a B-Movie plot", but I have no proof of this. This is purely my speculation, and believe is allowed as a conversation piece on this page and no further will come of this quote. --Fr3k3r 23:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thinking of adding more

I'm a avid fan of MDK, and if its okay, I will try to make this article larger and more informatical without any spoilers EG: the games sci-fi plot background and character profile. This however will NOT be copied from the instruction book as Wild 9 has done, I have also joined in writing in any most of Shinys game articles and Planet Moons too, and will try to tighten up and link any similarities and trivia relating to each other.--Fr3k3r 20:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Laguna Beach?

I seem to remember this game being called MDK: Mission Laguna Beach; I remember this as I had pondered why they used the acronym MDK if it was supposed to be Mission laguna beach.

Is there any information on where this laguna beach bit came from?

It's the first target of the first minecrawler. Beyond that, not a clue. --Kizor 20:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Laguna Beach is where Shiny's headquarters was set up during the development of the game, hence saving it first. Maybe, thats why the codename. Also interestingly enough, MDK2 had you saving Edmonton, where Bioware's headquarters was set up. --Fr3k3r 20:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images link

Thought it was relevant to add ext link to DPforums 'MDK art thread', this stuff is rare to find.--Fr3k3r 20:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)--

[edit] Added info about Kurts Coil suit and Minecrawler

I thought it would be right to add info about how Kurt's coil suit works. The sniper rifle, chain gun, ribbon chute, etc.

Will add pics later, (I actually have some of the games concept art hanging about of the suit and how it works, I think its in the actual limited edition's instruction book)

As you don't just play as Kurt in the game, you play as Kurt in the coil suit.

So, the coil suit is the star of the game, IMO.

Also added Minecrawlers info, need a screenshot from game illustrating Earth being 'mined'. --Fr3k3r 21:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Will this suffice?: http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/2687/minecrawlerlh5.png —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.164.172.183 (talk) 02:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

Excellent! now all I need to do is figure out how to embed it in the Wiki, I don't know how...because I'm a fool.--Fr3k3r 12:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Brilliant image, I am now a embedding image genius! Hope everyone likes the new images. Also adding the concept art of the coil suits functions sometime.--Fr3k3r 14:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I cleaned up the external links a bit. Please review the External links guide if you feel I've deleted anything that should remain. Does anyone know where the promo video on Google came from? I've left this link under the assumption that the video was publicly released by Shiny and its presence on Google doesn't violate their copyright. Gregmg 15:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Here's further clarification of why I removed several of the External links:

- petitiononline.com Petitions don't meet the criteria in the External links guide for a number of reasons. This has been discussed extensively on the MDK2 talk page. Please review that discussion if you have any questions.

- dpfiles.com Discussion forums are in the Links normally be avoided section of the External links guide. Still though, these are some great pictures and it would be nice to incorporate them. It would be best, I think, pull them directly into the article. Can we get permission from David Perry to copy one or more of these into Wikipedia? (assuming that he holds the copyright) Failing that, I would not object to reinstating the link.

- youtube.com Per the External links guide, we are prohibited from linking to sites that violate the copyright of others. The servers for the English language Wikipedia are located in the US, and as such, content is subject to US copyright law. I am not a lawyer but I have a general understanding of the fair use doctrine, and one could argue that the use of this video constitutes fair use. However, at 3 minutes and 19 seconds in length, I think that's a stretch. Fair use is really intended to allow one to do such things as copy a short bit of text into a research paper, a short clip of audio into a news presentation, or perhaps a few screen shots into a video game review. Wholesale copying of content isn't allowed, and because of that, we really shouldn't be linking to it. But like I said, I'm not a lawyer so if someone wants to research fair use and Wikipedia's policies on this, perhaps an arguement could be made for reinstating the link.

Gregmg 14:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Gregmg and others, I´m NOT going to let these images go down the pan, and lose this link. I´m going into David Perry´s forum and try to personally ask him. If this eventually means, having to host the images on a tempory blog or so from his site, instead of everyone taking his bandwidth to the forum. He may be getting slightly peeved by all of these new ´guests´.

As much as I hate it, honestly looking at it, I DON´T really know about the Youtube link (MDK-BZK Vid). It is tricky, perhaps this could be discussed with Perry too. As the video is Shiny´s property, the performance is Billy Ze Kick and was originally as a pop song done by a child choir. The final statement may not be accurate, as the song, could possibly be a folk song or such a song that belongs to no-one.

I thank you Gregmg for the above comments about the article over the controversy of this page, and even the status of the games franchise itself. But this game IMO is as important for the history as 3D gaming as Doom was, so its art and plot should be preserved. I will not be quoted on this. I want the above to go no futher, but believe is allowed on this discussion page. No, one, quote, me, on, the, above.

I know its a tricky one, finding out who the franchise and copyright belongs to, but its a worthwhile thing to find out. --Fr3k3r 23:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Concept art Images on this page

This page has evidence about the images having being taken off of the MDK2 DreamCast CD by me. Given free on the CD.

If the images are against any format of copyright, I'll be very suprised.

The images from the CD source (If are clear of possible copyright issues/conflicts), could also be contributed to make the [MDK2] wiki-page sharper. --Fr3k3r 19:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

PS, also, could somebody please sort out the copyright status if that cool helmet image, (as that too was off the CD) before it gets deleted in a week or so. I'd be eternally grateful.--Fr3k3r 19:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Just because the images are included as a free bonus item on the game CD does not confer to any owner's of the game CD the right to copy those items. The copyright for all content is still held by Shiny, BioWare, or whoever produced the CD. Gregmg 14:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

However, if this above information is found out and correctly verified on the image´s page, wouldn´t this then make the images all safe and legal for Wikipedias copyright policy? I´m thinking of popping into David Perry´s forum (as I have already registered) and asking about the current copyright status of these images, wherever they are property of Interplay, Playmates, Shiny, Bioware, or even the team at Planet Moon. I´m sure it would be very silly of them being on the CD, of MDK2 as they KNEW fans may possibly use them on websites. But just in case, as you said Gregmg, I´d (one, or all of us) better find out.

I believe these images should be preserved as ´history´ of the game and get to the bottom of the whole copyright status of MDK´s concept art and perhaps at the same time, the MDK franchise. (For the sake of keeping these images under the Wikipedia policies and also, mainly because its annoying me.) --Fr3k3r 23:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Further Cleanup

I cleaned up alot of the grammar mistakes and added detail to many of the entries. Also I added the powerup bit- Screens for that would be nice. Also, I forget what the vacuum feilds actually are- my friend took the diary with him when he moved to britain. Fluke 610 EST 19 Dec 2006

Excellent, but I personally think we would actaully be best just having screenshots and crop to thumbnails of the powerups. We SHOULD be able to count them as screenshots then. The vacuum fields? Isn´t that what Kurt rides through at the end of most levels? I believe that to be the Energy Streams around Earth, not sure, but we´d best check this out together, oh and I´ll be getting the limited edition (Off a friend) with the book soon. So I SHOULD be able to double check this and all other content on this page.--Fr3k3r 23:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

No, I was talking about the feilds Dr. Hawkins is researching when he goes into space- explained in the diary.

'Energy Streams' I believe. I think the aliens are Streamriders travelling through energy streams. I seem to remember him going into space because of that. I'll check when I'll get the book. Most of the story seems to circulate around the theory of Energy streams. Again, book, I don't wnat to speculate.--Fr3k3r 00:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re-Evaluation?

I think that after we get the powerup thumbnails, we get this thing in for re-evaluation. I think we'll be well beyond a B-class article once we do that.Fluke 20:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that'll be real nice, also, whos the IP number thats added onto the article? Its looking good in my opinion. :) But I'm no expert :( Are we going to try to document any of the Minecrawlers and bosses? Because, I think if we do that, we're taking the whole point away from what this article is to be. This will NOT become a review. Its looking pretty much like all we admire the world and concepts Shiny created. Shiny, happy, little people... Also have to get these images sorted out again. I've been informed another image is not in the right catorgory. This time, the one of the 'kurt skin' I would of thought that would definatly of been concept art to make the skin...--Fr3k3r 00:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Hang on, sorry, this is getting me. I've just looked at the article again, Was Dr Hawkins ship actually named Jim Dandy in THIS game, or was it just nameless? Another thing that concerns me is that Kurt is captured by Gunther Glut doesn't Kurt actually pursue him to his world from the previous Minecrawler? Also, regarding the plot. I'm afraid this is becoming a review...it just feels less about the world of the game, and the game itself. Is this what everyone else wants? If so, I don't mind, but just my personal opinion. (The plot however is a better writeup then the stuff I put there. But maybe a little too long.)--Fr3k3r 01:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm just pulling from what I remember from the book, but I do believe that the ship was infact named in Dr. Hawkins's diary. --Fluke 23:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm currently working on getting screens for the thumbnails for the powerups. Now, before I get too far in and find out all my work is for naught, ARE THERE ANY LEGAL CONCERNS WE NEED TO PLAY WITH? I don't want to have my thumbs taken down because they violate copyright. I'll do that on my own time >_>. --Fluke 02:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Dammit, yeah. I have had problems with the images. Even though I've listed most of the concept art as the 'concept art' tag. Wikipedia keeps telling and warning me about the tag I gave it. But its the truth, it IS concept art for a videogame. How on Earth am I supposed to save these images? Good news is...:

I've got the MDK Limited Edition now, and when I have time, check if everything is in order according to the instruction book...if I scanned in the concept art in the booklet, would it be possible to call that Fair Use? I think it will. And it will be a definate source to check and valid, such as the scanned in MDK meaning page.

As for the weapon thumbnails, I'm pretty sure these could be used as screenshots, but don't take my word for it. I'm already having a fight with my images. --Fr3k3r 05:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DP Files.

Okay, I went in. Don't shout at me for being badly word processed and perhaps lame at typing, but I've written a hefty post on DPFiles. I hope everybody working on this article agrees with the post and its contents. Also, don't shout at me about the possibility of the article soon after vanishing. I'm just worried about some of this content we have on the article, links, information, images,etc. I think DP is the man to ask. If not, I've asked if he can tell through the forum where we can find out. Heres hoping he comes and join us on this discussion page in the near future, or that we're allowed to keep this page.--Fr3k3r 01:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The thread on DPFiles has been replied to, but however not by Perry himself...go see. ^ Anyway, Happy New Year! and lets hope this page will all be in order by March for the 10th 'anniversary'. Looks like one of us'll have to email Perry, I might do this sometime, but really, have, quite a lot of work to do... :|--Fr3k3r 05:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)