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[edit] Kapuzinergruft

Noel, I'm very glad you too are doing work on this article. The Kaisergruft web site has typos on dates in it, and by more than one person working on the article, as we verify information, we can be sure that info in the mini-bios for those unlikely to ever have their own articles is valid in case someone decides to create a stub article for any of them. But in the meanwhile I have taken the attitude that for those minor players, their entry in this listing may be all that is ever said about them in the Wikipedia, so I try to give a little something about them besides their dates, if possible.

I have tended to retain the German spelling of names because of the context (a site within a German-speaking country) although that person may have an existing article. It just seemed too confusing to refer to the builder of the Karlsgruft as "Charles."

Naturally, this being a Wiki, you may have better ideas that you edit in. I'm not saying what I have done so far is right, just explaining what my thinking has been so far. I'm sure that as time goes on, the article will be much improved by edits and polishing from you and others!

I've visited the Kaisergruft several times, and I'm trying to use that experience and the materials I brought from there so that the reader can visualize such an experience vicariously, and appreciate the significance of some of the contents.

I've been hopping around from one section with abandon, but knowing that there is now someone else now doing much-appreciated work there too, I will try to stay within a single Vault until it is completely done so that we don't step on each other's edits.

Regards --StanZegel 4 July 2005 03:40 (UTC)

[edit] Age of consent

Thanks for alpha-ordering the table this is something I was going to do but kept procrastinating over. Cheers! Monotonehell 18:50, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name changes in Germany

I have to admit that I do not know if Franz Herzog von Bayern ever changed his legal last name. I can however give you my estimate based on the legal situation and hurdles regarding a name change.

To change one's legal last name in Germany, one has to abide by the Law concerning the change of first and last names ("NamÄndG", Gesetz über die Änderung von Familiennamen und Vornamen, http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/nam_ndg/BJNR000090938.html, last checked on 14 Feb 06, 21:57).

§ 3 NamÄndG reads:

"(1) Ein Familienname darf nur geändert werden, wenn ein wichtiger Grund die Änderung rechtfertigt.

(2) Die für die Entscheidung erheblichen Umstände sind von Amts wegen festzustellen; dabei sollen insbesondere außer den unmittelbar Beteiligten die zuständige Ortspolizeibehörde und solche Personen gehört werden, deren Rechte durch die Namensänderung berührt werden."

(1) A last name may only be changed if an important reason justifies such change.

(2) The facts relevant to such decision are to be determined officially; in doing so, the parties as well as the local administration and people affected by the change are to be heard. (Translation by the signer)

Regarding the definition as to what constitutes an "important reason", a quick look in legal journals finds several interesting decisions by the competent courts. For instance, the Higher Administrative Court for the Free State of Bavaria has rendered the following:

"Ein wichtiger Grund für die begehrte Namensänderung ergibt sich auch nicht daraus, daß damit eine alte Familientradition fortgesetzt werden soll. Der Wunsch der Kläger, die ehemaligen Adelstitel Ritter von K bzw. von K in der Familie als Bestandteile des Familiennamens zu führen, weil der Kläger und die Klägerin zu 3 einem deutschen Adelsgeschlecht entspringen, mag verständlich erscheinen, rechtfertigt aber nicht die Namensänderung. Nach der Vorschrift der Nr. 46 NamÄndVwV, die, wie oben dargelegt, einer allgemeinen Verkehrsauffassung entspricht, rechtfertigt nicht einmal das Aussterben eines Familiennamens eine Namensänderung. Dabei ist auch zu berücksichtigen, daß Namen mit Adelsbezeichnungen im Wege der Namensänderung nur ausnahmsweise gewährt werden dürfen; das ergibt sich bereits aus der fortgeltenden Vorschrift der Art. 109 Abs. 3 Satz 2 der Verfassung des Deutschen Reiches vom 11. August 1919, welche lautet "Adelsbezeichnungen gelten nur als Teil des Namens und dürfen nicht mehr verliehen werden". (vgl. BayVGH vom 27. 10. 1982 Nr. 5 B 82 A. 110, vom 5. 1. 1983 Nr. 5 B 81 A.2699 und vom 29. 1. 1986 Nr 5 B 84.1234; BVerwG vom 20. 10.1978 BayVBl 1979, 121 m.w.N.) und aus Art. 118 Abs. 3 Satz 2 der Bayerischen Verfassung (vgl. auch Nr. 53 Abs. 4 NamÄndVwV)." (Source: VGHE BY 42, pp. 7-12)

An important reason for the looked-after name change does also not yield from the aim to continue an old family tradition. The wish of the plaintiff to carry the former family's titles of nobility Ritter von K or von K (Knight of K or of K) as part of the name may be understandable, but does not constitute a reason for a name change. According to No 46 NamÄndVwV (decree regarding the NamÄndG), which equals common legal conviction, not even the dying-out of a family name gives reason to a name change. One has to equally keep in mind that names bearing titles of nobility are only to be given by way of a name change in exceptional cases; such is already the consequence of the still valid rule of Art. 109 par. 3 sen. 2 of the constitution of the German Empire dating Aug. 11 1919 which specifies "Titles of nobility are part of the name and may no longer be awarded". (Translation by the signer)

This decision dealt with a family hailing from Hungary which had its titles relinquished by Hungary and desired to obtain a new legal last name that would again consist of their former titles of nobility. Thus, the case is not entirely the same as the hypothetical case of somebdoy born Franz Prinz von Bayern wishing to change his name to Franz Herzog von Bayern. The latter would see somebody already having a noble last name, and simply wanting to change his degree of nobility. However, the court stresses the significance of having an "important reason", and that simple family tradition does not constitute such. Also, changing the last name from "Prinz von Bayern" to "Herzog von Bayern" still means that the claimant would seek for getting a name "bearing a title of nobility" which is only to be done in "exceptional cases".

An exceptional case would not even be given if the claimant actually were awarded a title of nobility by a foreign sovereign, so the Supreme Administrative Court of the Federal Republic of Germany (source: StAZ 1960, 76). If even the award of a legally valid title of nobility does not constitute an exceptional case allowing a name change, the change of the internal structure of a German family, subject to the German and Bavarian republican constitution, would most certainly not be such an exceptional case (argument a maior ad minus).

I cannot prove that Franz Herzog von Bayern has never undergone a name change. Yet given the legal standards developed in the almost 90 years since the abolishment of monarchy in Germany, I consider it to be much more likely he did not than that he did. Blur4760 21:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Time of Franz Ferdinand assassination

Oh, you're right... I had reverted it because there were errors in spacing and had meant to put in a more accurate time. Thanks for bringing this up. Charles 18:01, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I sent you an email last night. Be sure to check your junk mail folders. Charles 13:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
In case you didn't get my email, just go to my user page and select the "email user" link. Charles 03:11, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
You must be quite the busy man. Looking forward to the elusive email ;-). Charles 03:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Empress Frederick

Hello Noel; could you please quickly lend your opinion here: Empress Frederick vs. German Empress Frederick? Many thanks. Charles 01:33, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ...

Never, ever, copy a page from one title to another. Doing so destroys the consistency of the edit history. Take it up with Nightstallion, if you think the consensus is invalid, I really don't care. — Mar. 15, '06 [18:58] <freakofnurxture|talk>

[edit] Franz Joseph I of Austria, removal from "British Field Marshals" & German cat.

Franz Joseph I of Austria was neither British or German, nor was he an officer in those armies. My understanding of the Category:British Field Marshals & Category:Field Marshals of Germany etc. is that they should contain officers of the rank of Field Marshall in that army. Steen Ammentorp email:postmaster@generals.dk who runs the The Generals of WWII website is a librarian and military leadership expert. Although he specialises in WWII, it would be interesting to ask him if he regarded Franz Joseph I of Austria as a German or British Field Marshall. Steen has clarified a military question for me and I value his opinion. Regards, Diverman 02:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Victoria, Princess Royal

Hello there Noel, would you take a look at Talk:Victoria, Princess Royal and Empress Frederick and contribute a vote? Also, I sent you an email a while back but have been having odd email problems. Let me know if you've received it. Charles 17:08, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anne Marie of Greece

Hi Noel, could you please contribute a vote at Talk:Anne-Marie of Greece? Thanks. Charles 19:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

The talk page is an absolute disaster! Charles 06:34, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Hello, and thank you for responding in such short notice. What I meant to say is that, as I wrote in the edit summary, I would remove in the future any attempts to reinstate that claim if no citation was given. However, a citation was given. Of course, it was a bit of bad faith from my part, but please excuse me, I just woke up! (yes I know it's insane...) :-) --Michalis Famelis 08:49, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. Please respond to this. --Michalis Famelis 17:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Queen Anne of Romania

Hi Noel, would you please check out Talk:Princess Anne of Hohenzollern? The naming of this page is très bizarre and I'd like to start a discussion so I can find a singular option to request for move. I'm totally for Queen Anne of Romania, but let me know what you think. Also, I'm sure the article's info on the title as Princess of Hohenzollern is incorrect, but again, let me know what you think. Thanks. Charles 07:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Accurate edit summary

With your recent edit on Anne-Marie of Greece you said on your edit summary "Disambiguation link repair - You can help!" In actual fact you were not disambiguating a link (there was no link to disambiguate); you were in fact adding a link which was not there before. This is an important distinction since in one the one case you would just be making the link work more easily, but in the other case you are changing the content of the page (which some might think useful, and others not). Noel S McFerran 05:29, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

The word Greek has many meanings, for which reason Greek is a disambiguation page. Anyone reading the article Anne-Marie of Greece would likely have known that "Greek" in the parenthetical "(Greek: Άννα-Μαρία Βασίλισσα των Ελλήνων)" referred to the Greek language and not to another meaning of the word Greek, but because this parenthetical previously linked to the article Greek rather than to the article Greek language, anyone who might have clicked on the link in order to find information about the Greek language would instead have found a disambiguation page. By replacing [[Greek]] with [[Greek language|Greek]] (see the diff [1]), I enabled such a person to access the content on the Greek language without the intermediate step of the disambiguation page. This, as far as I can gather from Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links, is the aim of disambiguation link repair. NatusRoma | Talk 07:22, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
After a little research, it appears that that article in general, and the first paragraph in particular, have been points of great contention. I can assure you that my edit has only improved this paragraph. NatusRoma | Talk 07:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Austrian Emperors Francis Joseph and Charles

Hi Noel,

How have you been? I brought the articles for FJ and Charles up for move. Would you care to lend some insight and possibly a vote? Thanks. Charles 20:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Augusta Reuss

The lady in question is relatively obscure. The German language version is included in the article. The preposition zu is odd to English readers. The various lines of Reuss used to use von, which is undoubtedly translated as of in that case, with the designations following being places. Augusta Reuss was from a line that was of a place. The preposition was later changed to zu, which still means of for the most part. This is not like a case of someone ennobled with only having a von or zu appended to the front of a surname. Charles 11:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Manuel Godoy

hello there,

I don't know what the correct format would be, however I orientated myself with the entry on British peers as for example here Charles Mordaunt, 3rd Earl of Peterborough, 1st Earl of Monmouth, where the titles are listed in the beginning. Finding the titles in the article can be sometimes really difficult, as often it is not given in italics or in hyphens in any way, so listing them in the beginning can help with the orientation. If you look at the article of the 28th Duchess of Alba, obviously not all of her 50+ titles will be listed in the entry. Gryffindor 23:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC) ps: About the use of British and American English you are absolutely right, I knew about that. I wasn't aware that the one was "Marquess" is British spelling and the other "Marquis" American English spelling? I always thought it was "Marquis", but yes, it should either be kept in British or in American English, so apologies if I made changes to from British to American, I wasn't aware that the two belonged to different English versions, I thought it was a faulty translation or typo when I "corrected" it. Gryffindor 00:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Concepción Heredia-Rosas

Hi Noel, how are you doing? Sorry about the confrontation earlier. Would you care to check this out and tell me what you think? I am certain that this woman is a hoax. The woman in question does not exist outside of WP results and a few delusional forum postings by a guy claiming to be a viscount. It was claimed that this woman is descended from the Archduke Louis, a son of Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor. Archduke Louis appears to have died childless and an Anna Victoria alleged to have been his daughter does not exist as a Countess of Habsburg-Lorraine, as claimed. Charles 01:58, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Ugh

Please, leave me be. I am leaving WP. I concede to your horrible little games on titles. Charles 18:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I apologize for the above. I was having a generally not-so-good day yesterday. Charles 21:54, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Noel, it is not fair to assume that Parma matters are the sole reason for my departure. I can't remember how clear I was in my email to you, but I will stress here that it is only the tip of the iceberg. Charles 14:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC

[edit] Pope Stephen IX (or X)

Hi,

I read what you wrote on Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło about the attempt to rename the page into Wladyslaw II/V of Poland, Jogaila of Lithuania, and I agree totally with you. I think as rule there can't be more than one variant of a name in the title of an article. If more than one variant is possible, the title must chose only one and the others must be explained in the text itself and redirects must be used from alternative titles. If such alternative titles were admitted in the article's title itself, then we'd have to rename, for examples, Stepanakert into Stepanakert/Xankəndi, Tighina into Tighina/Bender/Bendery or 2003 invasion of Iraq into 2003 invasion/liberation of Iraq...

I am myself implicated in a very long and endless debate which is, I think, similar to this one. It's about the need to rename the article Pope Stephen X into Pope Stephen IX, and so on until Pope Stephen III into Pope Stephen II. The historical reasons of this naming problem are detailed in Pope-elect Stephen. Those historical facts are not the matter of the debate. Everybody agrees on those facts. The problem is some users want to rename Pope Stephen X into Pope Stephen IX (or X), which is an absurdity because of the same reasons as above.

I've launched this debate on 19 February and it is endless because it seems to interest very few people and it's impossible to reach a majority. I'm now prospecting for other people who would share my opinion on the matter. If you think you have something to say about this, I would be very glad if you did on Talk:Pope_Stephen_X. I thank you in advance.

Švitrigaila 00:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your invitation to participate in the discussion about the titles of articles on popes named Stephen. I have been aware of this discussion over the past few weeks — but have purposefully not contributed since I have not as yet come to any subsantial conclusions. It is a very sticky question. Noel S McFerran 10:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
It's all right. I thank you very much for your answer. I didn't expect everyone would vote like me. Švitrigaila 18:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Commonwealth realms

Someone has recently edited Franz, Duke of Bavaria to indicate that he is recognized by Jacobites as sovereign of these realms, as well as the British Isles. As our resident Jacobite, perhaps you could comment. Choess 23:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pretenders Ernst August

Please see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Ernest Aug. and constibute to the discussion there. I look forward to people assessing UE:should English be used in all these cases and how; would any sort of numeral be acceptable; what are the correct ordinals anyway; and Is there any other sustainable way to disambiguate these systematically. Shilkanni 11:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] non-british, untranslatable titles

hi Mcferran, I started a discussion on non-british noble titles that are untranslatable, maybe you care to join in? Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(names_and_titles)#non-british.2C_untranslatable_titles, looking forward to your insights, thanks alot. Gryffindor 13:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Radu Duda, Prince of Hohenzollern-Veringen

Hmm, I did the best I can at the moment on the talk page. I've been concentrating on some vacation plans so I'm not totally "there" (mentally, that is), as you'll be able to tell by reading :-P Charles 23:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment here if you'd like. Stefanp broke the 3RR in my opinion and I feel your comments would be valuable, as you've experienced the childishness as well. Charles 01:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I am only getting back to you now, I've been really busy, moved places, started a new job etc. and don't have a proper internet connection yet, so I won't be able to help out on these issues at the moment. But I took a look at it. I don't understand why the two users are fighting about such trivial matters IMO it seems to be a disagreement about the wording? Gryffindor 13:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Unlike what you stated on my user page, "unconstructive edits are considered vandalism", according to the official rules of Wikipedia:Vandalism, section Wikipedia:Vandalism#Warning_templates, subsection "blatantvandal". Please, review them carefully. As for the warnings to user Roger_Preston, they are not threats, just reminders of these rules you are obviously not familiar with. Nicusor1983 19:23, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Using your knowledge as a reference...

Noel, you are an expert. Please convince Whig history fans (or the lazy minds) about how Bonnie Prince Charlie did not want to dissolve the Union, that the United Kingdom began with the Stuarts as opposed to the Hanoverians. Tell them how the Whigs rewrote history to blame everything on the Stuarts, whom are credited as ultimate failures with no positive contributions to the foundations of Great Britain in their Stewart and Tudor blood. The Sovereign's will is the Realm, or else it is not a kingdom. The British might as well be living in a republic, at least if the Parliamentarians had their way. Even the Hanoverian heirs recognise that the Stuarts founded the UK. Please debate that here & thanks. Lord Loxley 01:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Austria-Este

Hallo,

I read your comment at Talk:Austria-Este about the correctness of the article Austria-Este. As I would like to translate it into Italian, but I'd like to avoid to translate an uncertain article, I'd like to know your opinion about the state of the present article, if it is worthing a translation or if it is better to wait again for a more correct version. Thanks --Paolo da Reggio 11:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wolfgang of Hesse

Hi Noel;

I'm not bothered at all... My sole reason for being involved with that article was through undoing extensive and messy moves. I thought, if it's here at all, it might as well look good while it can. I shall vote for deletion. Charles 01:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD

Hello Noel;

Would you consider visiting Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scottish pedigree of Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar and contributing? Thanks. Charles 23:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiquette alert

Hi Noel;

I don't know if this constitutes a no-no, but I am the subject of a Wikiquette alert, written up by a user that I have encountered in various royalty related articles. While none of the apparent conflicts invloved you, as an outside opinion, could you look over it and indicate whether you agree or disagree? You and I have had our share of conflicts, but I feel that you can give a fair and objective opinion. Charles 18:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Charles of Hesse

Hello Noel;

What do you think the proper name for this article should be? I'm going to bring it up for move and I think either Prince Charles of Hesse or Prince Charles of Hesse-Kassel is the right name. It was moved by a "dear friend" whom with I have had all too many encounters. Charles 16:03, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Amadeo, 5th Duke of Aosta

Noel;

I like it better in all Italian or all English... Either/or. It seems that with English though, "of the" is a problem. Is it to be understood that same way that a Prinz zur Lippe is a Prince of the Lippe but said and understood as Prince of Lippe? Charles 00:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maria Pia of Braganza page

Hi Mcferran, finally a very good work in Maria Pia of Braganza page. In these years the miguelist supporters continue to vandalize Maria Pia page and write only falsity about her only in order to legitimate the Duarte Pio claims. Their talk against Maria Pia are not demostrated and they want put only doubts in the mind of the readers. In really only official documents have value and not the nosense talk. At the contrary they don’t want insert in Duarte Pio page the opposition of his claims.If Wikipedia is an impartial encyclopedia I don’t understand why of this censure. In Maria Pia of Braganza page there are some considerations: the first is the name of the heir of Maria Pia is Rosario Poidimani and not Poidomani. Please correct. The second point is there are two paragraphs about “Active claim to the Portuguese throne”. So is correct remove one. Please correct. The last point is not impartial and not correct insert Maria Pia as “impostor pretender” that you can see in the Categories in the end of her wiki-page. This categorie was added to miguelist supporter only to discredit Maria Pia claims. Also in “pretender” wiki page they insert Maria Pia and Rosario Poidimani as fake pretender and insert only Durte Pio as pretender. In an impartial encyclopedia this is unacceptable. I am sure you can understand this. If you can please intervene,thanks. My best regards. Manuel 09:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I have responded on User talk:M.deSousa. Noel S McFerran 13:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] your inappropriate warning

No, I do not believe it violates those policies. If you feel differently, you are welcome to create, for example, a request for comment. Suedois 21:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Try checking your facts next time

If you had bothered to check out your facts (which you clearly did not not do) you would know that De Sousa is a banned vandal who is using sockpuppets to vandalise articles. He is no longer entitled to contribute to this site and it has long been WP policy that users who are banned are not allowed contribute and all their sockpuppet contributions are reverted on sight, all articles they create are deleted on sight, and all their sockpuppets are instantly banned indefinitely.

Given his history of prolonged vandalism de Sousa may well be reported to his service provider as a vandal. Wikipedia may also be taking other steps to get rid of him from this site. For now Wikipedia has had to semi-protect a whole series of articles from his attacks. De Sousa has also resorted to creating ficticious redirects. It is worth noting that de Sousa happens to be based in the vicinity of Ms Toledano's so-called heir. There is a strong suspicion that he is trying to use Wikipedia to promote the 'cause' of that so-called heir. As the issue of de Sousa may now be dealt with through the servers and through law, and de Sousa is not entitled to edit this site any longer, and the edits he posts here are through sockpuppets, I am removing the latest sockpuppet contribution by de Sousa.

I expect an apology for your slur.

FearÉIREANN\(caint) 14:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Queen Anne of Romania (revisited)

Hi Noel;

Could you take a look at this requested move? We discussed this briefly a long time ago. Whatever your opinion, you state things far more eloquently than I can. Charles 00:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

On a semi-related note: Do you know what Radu Duda's legal name is? An editor at the article for Radu keeps on inserting Radu Hohenzollern Veringen Duda. Charles 01:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject British Royalty

British Royalty Mcferran, WikiProject British Royalty wants you!
WikiProject British Royalty is an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to British royalty on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you should visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
DBD 16:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lefebvre

Hi,

Marcel Lefebvre is currently a candidate for the Catholic Collaboration of the Week. If you are a member you may want to vote on this. If you're not then you can join at WP:CATHOLIC.

PS Don't I already know you through the Jacobite e-list?

JASpencer 16:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Holy Ghost Fathers

I apologise if you got annoyed by the edits. The policy on Wikipedia on verifiability is in WP:V which states "Information on Wikipedia must be reliable and verifiable. Facts, viewpoints, theories, and arguments may only be included in articles if they have already been published by reliable and reputable sources. Articles should cite these sources whenever possible. Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed." I'm not doubting that the biography is reliable, but if you could please cite for each sentence the book, page number and (preferably) illustrative quote within the reference format then we can reinsert the text. JASpencer 21:23, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Marcel Lefebvre

I put up a bunch diffs from when you made major contributions to the article. Could you please review and share your method and the sources you used over on that page. I know you have already said this somewhere, but I would appreciate a formal statement here. Thank you for the contributions you made. You significantly improved the article with those edits.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 22:18, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Talk:Pretender

I reply to you in this page about the portuguese pretenders [2]. Best regards. User:82.52.180.225 18:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC).

Hi, I hope you can see the continue attempt to miguelist supporters to hide and mystify the real name of Maria Pia of Saxe Coburg Braganza and they insert in all the pages her pseudonym name (Hilda Toledano) that she used only as writer in salazarist period. They want deceive the readers about the identity of this pretender. In really only the official documents have value and not the talk of the miguelist supporters. The documents state that her name is Maria Pia of Saxe Coburg Braganza and her father was the king Charles of Portugal. Are there people that know a document that report as name of this woman Hilda Toledano?? Certainly NO... So I can't understand this attempt to discredit this pretendent. This is an democratic encyclopedia. Is right to censure this truth based all on official documents in order only to "legitimate" the miguelist pretender Duarte Pio?

[edit] Sigh

I'm really not in the mood for this bickering, so I will just state that while I am quite sure that you do view my contribution history, I am well aware of what your opinion is on most things that I do. My defense is that I am not the first, nor will I be the last, that has done such a thing. It's hardly in error for an obscure individual. That's all I have to say. If you have anything else to say, say it on your talk page or send me an email. Charles 06:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:House of Stuart

Hi, DBD here, founder of the WikiProject British Royalty - just wondering why you changed the Stuart template from James, the Old Pretender and Bonnie Prince Charlie to their names. I don't disagree with the change, I'm just wondering what the reasons may be... Cheers - DBDR 13:45, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] your comments

Hello Noel S McFerran, maybe you could be a bit more specific about your question? If a user wants to remove comments from his talk page, of course (s)he may do so if they are considered offensive. If it is a warning from an administrator (speak, warning templates of 3 three-revert rules, etc.), then the warnings may not be removed if they were posted legitimately, since they point out to other users the behaviour of the warned user. with kind regards Gryffindor 14:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archduchess Maria Theresia of Austria

Hi, could you please have a quick look at Talk:Archduchess Maria Theresia of Austria and tell me if I'm wrong? Thanks in advance, and best wishes, <KF> 11:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vittorio Emanuele

Hi there. I do not agree with the edit you made to this article - lots of Wikipedia articles summarise the main points of interests about the subject in the intro. The wording here has been discussed at length and agreed upon, even in the face of a lot of opposition from a determined italian monarchist, who confirmed he is now happy with the article as it now is. --SandyDancer 13:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Line of succession to the Portuguese throne, presently

Have you checked the article (formerly: Line of succession to the Portuguese throne) Pretenders to the kingdom of Portugual ? It should presumably moved to "Miguelist line of succession to the Portuguese throne", or how? Can we allow that inherently problematic present name to any article? Marrtel 19:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC) - Septentrionalis made a move that NPOVed much of the problem. Marrtel 23:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Savoy-Aosta

Hi Noel; how are you?

Regarding the use of Savoy/Savoy-Aosta in the British line of succession article, I'm pretty sure that the issue of the dukes of Aosta are known as princes and princesses of Savoy-Aosta. Do they use just the Savoy designation? Thanks. Charles 05:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hilda Toledano; the Dauphin

Dear Noel;

Thank you very for providing information to back up the statements within the article. I look forward to the inclusion of the citations when you have the time. Regarding the naming of the dauphin, the names did not both me as much as the persistent undiscussed moves and reverts. Hopefully everything will be clarified in the near future. I have no sources for how the other dauphins were named, but the user has moved several of them anyway. Charles 01:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dauphins, cont'd

Hello Noel;

How are you doing? Recently there has been a lot of activity regarding the articles for the various French dauphins. I have started a discussion regarding the matter at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Dauphins. Would you care to contribute? I am sure that you have excellent resources at determining the appropriate names, if it is no trouble to you. Many thanks in advance. Charles 00:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Charles II, Duke of Parma

Why did you lie in your edit summary about what you'd done? Why did you revert to a version of the article that contains many errors of style and goes against Wikipedia guidelines? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 18:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I did not lie in my edit summary. The most important change I made was the addition of a bibliographic reference. I did not revert to an earlier version of the article. I did make a few other changes in addition to the bibliographic reference. Please review the article on Assume good faith. Noel S McFerran 19:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Frankly that's impossible given the actual nature of your edit. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 20:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not impossible, because that is what happened. A user with your number of edits should understand that the compare revisions function compares the current first paragraph with the previous first paragraph. If one adds something at the beginning (like the tag which I moved), then it can appear that an editor has made far more changes than he actually has. When I consider the conflicts you have had with other editors, I can only encourage you even more to review the article on Assume good faith. Noel S McFerran 20:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
So WP policies like AGF are trivial things. I see nothing in Noel's edits on this article that could be construed as a lie, not even as a good faith error. So what you wrote above, Mel, is a personal attack or slander. Str1977 (smile back) 23:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prince Georg of Bavaria

Hi, Noel, An anonymous user removed the disputed tag from the Prince Georg of Bavaria article. As far as I know, we still haven't verified the information contained in this article from any reliable sources, so I've restored the tag. If I'm wrong, and you have seen confirmation, please go ahead and remove it. - Nunh-huh 01:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Seems like a reasonable solution. Another approach might be to add a "section dispute" ({{Template:Disputed-section}}) tag over the disputed section - in fact, I think that may be a good idea, unless you have objection, as tags seem to be reasonably effective at goading people to bring forth (reputedly existent) references. - Nunh-huh 00:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I will make it so :) -- Nunh-huh 01:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] M.A.

Personally, I'm more in favour of administering a swift kick in the ass at the moment, but I shall look into the issue in a while or tomorrow. Charles 04:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dauphins of France and of Auvergne

Hi Noel;

I would like to raise to attention changes I have made to the disambiguation page Louis, Dauphin. I have split it into Louis, Dauphin of Auvergne (disambiguation) and Louis, Dauphin of France (disambiguation). Amazingly, within the last half hour (and within five minutes of the changes) I have already had to revert a move of Louis, Dauphin of France (disambiguation) to Louis, Dauphin. Charles 16:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] French princes

Hi Noel;

I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)#French princes revisited. Would you care to comment? Thanks. Charles 10:39, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prince Ludwig of Bavaria

I just wanted to let you know that I think your new wording is much better than the previous version. I wish I could have thought of that instead of simply deleting "officially". Thank you. Blur4760 11:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I saw that you added "(German: Ludwig Heinrich Prinz von Bayern)" to the article. Technically, that is not the correct translation of the English Prince Ludwig of Bavaria as that would either be "Prinz Ludwig Heinrich von Bayern" or "Ludwig Heinrich, Prinz von Bayern". In German, a noble title needs to be either before the rest of the name or seperated from the name by a comma. But presumably, "Ludwig Heinrich Prinz von Bayern" is indeed the name under which he is registered at the civil registry and the name that would appear on his ID or passport. So my question is: Do you want
  • That the German version is a correct translation of the English version (ie it should say Prinz Ludwig Heinrich von Bayern)?
  • Or that he German version is indeed his legal name (ie it should say Ludwig Heinrich Prinz von Bayern)?
If you prefered version two, I would suggest making a little footnote, stating that the German version is not a literal translation of the title under which he is known in English and that in Germany, noble titles are part of the legal surname of a person. Of course you may argue that that would be unnecessary. Yet I would think that the current version implies that "Ludwig Heinrich Prinz von Bayern" is merely a literal translation of "Prince Ludwig of Bavaria", which it is not. By the way, naturally, I prefer option two ;-). Blur4760 16:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Louis, Dauphin of France

Hi, User:Michaelsanders has once again reverted the article Louis, Dauphin of France (1729-1765), as well as all the articles that mention him (Louis XV, Marie Josèphe of Saxe, etc.). On the talk page, he put links to webpages that use the name "Louis Ferdinand", but all serious historical books as well as contemporary documents such as the wedding certificate of Louis XVI show the name "Louis" only. It may well be that he was baptised as "Louis Ferdinand" (and perhaps other Chritian names as well), but only Louis was used. So what do you suggest we should do? It's a bit as if a crazy editor started to change all the articles talking of Louis XVI and called him "Louis August" just because that's the Christian names he received when he was baptised. Why do things like that only happen on Wikipedia? People want to be plus royaliste que le roi. Godefroy 23:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I also suggest you have a look at Michaelsanders' user page, where we learn, among other things, that "If I believe that I am right, I will fight". I think attitudes like that are totally detrimental to a good editing atmosphere on Wikipedia, and from what I can remember of the editing rules, it is the complete opposite of what a good editor should be. Godefroy 23:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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