Talk:Matt Harding
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This article was nominated for deletion on December 30, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. |
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A page that redirects here was nominated for deletion on 11 July 2006. The result of the discussion was to redirect here. An archived record of this discussion can be found here. |
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This article was nominated for deletion on 11 January 2006. The result of the discussion was No Consensus. An archived record of this discussion can be found here. |
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This article was nominated for deletion on 25 December 2005. The result of the discussion was no consensus. An archived record of this discussion can be found here. |
fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 09:01, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Author
Did Matt write this article? 123fakestreet
[edit] Deletion?
Why would anyone want to delete this page? I found it midly interesting, as a link from the "Internet Phenomenon" page. Leave it as it is, stop being so delete-happy.
- I do agree with your point. --onWheeZierPLot 10:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Canada
Matt doesn't hate Canada. That was a joke. Click the link, and you'll see that many a time he's told Canadians he likes Canada, and wants to go there, but it's not on the way to anywhere else.
[edit] Motivation
What was Matt's motivation?
[edit] OK
Now that the article has been rewritten, I'm OK with it.
- It's not the way the text is written - it's the fact that there are six billion people living on Earth, and Wikipedia's mission statement is not to do a biography on all of them. This one, in particular, does not seem noteworthy.
[edit] Relevant?
Is there any reason why there should be a mention that he is homosexual? What's the relevance? Motivation? anything? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.161.18.197 (talk • contribs).
- I was wondering that myself. Someone added that tidbit just the other day, with no source for it. I added the [citation needed] tag, and have been contemplating removing the statement as if I don't know if it is true or not, can't verify the truth of the statement, and don't see how it makes a difference one way or another. ONUnicorn 13:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think he is. If you read his online journal he seems to have a current girlfriend named Mellisa (or something) that he went touring with for a while. Battle Ape 11:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- While he was dating Melissa, further reading into his journal reveals various sexual run-ins with a variety of male villagers, guides, etc. I believe he is, at best, bisexual.
- I don't think he is. If you read his online journal he seems to have a current girlfriend named Mellisa (or something) that he went touring with for a while. Battle Ape 11:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Quotes
I think the random quotes needs some kind of context, otherwise they just seem a bit offensive, esp. Jesus killing a kitten. --Johann Schlinker 11:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
They are also "poorly sourced" for sure, which violates official policy on Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons, so I removed them. None of them come up on Google. --Epukinsk 23:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
They can all be found on his blog @ wherethehellismat.com. I looked them up and found them all to be accurate, and at least somewhat relevant. The main idea of his blog seems to be to convince the reader that he is "not the guy in the video", meaning that he has many flaws and does not come near the perfect image shown in his dancing videos.
[edit] Notability
So does every living human belong on Wikipedia, or only those from Connecticut? Is it the fact that the man has travelled that makes this individual worthy of an encyclopedia article and bio, with poorly written quotes? I think I'll make my own vanity article, if that's the case. DigitalEnthusiast 23:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- What makes this man "worthy of an encyclopedia article" is the claim that "his video ranks as one of the most downloaded (and watched) in internet history." What would do better at establishing that this man is worthy of an encyclopedia article would be if we had a source for the claim that his video is one of the most downloaded in internet history. If you take a look at the previous deletion discussions, you'll see that this is a borderline case, a lot of people don't think he is "worthy of an encyclopedia article", but enough do and have a strong enough claim to override them - barely. However, the fact that those fans have not backed up their claims with reliable sources is an indication that they may be wrong. If you really feel strongly about it, then take it for a 4th AFD by putting {{subst:afd}} at the top and then following the directions that appear. However, the tag you put at the top, {{db-bio}} is not supposed to be used for controversial deletions where the article has "an assertion of notability". ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs) 15:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- Matt is famous! I saw him on the today show. Everyone knows his website. Who are you kidding? Of course there should be a page on him. I just wish I had a good public domain photo to add. futurebird 05:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed futurebird. Of course there should be a page about this person. To say otherwise is an argument from personal incredulity. Just because you struggle to believe that dancing in a video your friend made could make you notable enough to merit an encyclopedia article, this does not mean that this is not the case for Matt Harding. So the onus is on you guys to explain why anyone who has had the media exposure that Matt Harding has had should not have an article. Gantlord 22:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Worthiness
What makes it worthy of inclusion is the fact that a man traveled the world to create beautiful art, art that influenced the creation of further beautiful art. Is it worthy of inclusion? I submit that it is more worthy than the inclusion of (for example) Stevens T. Mason. While there is no question as "Boy Governor" of Michigan that Mason was important to some of the people of his time and place. His relevance to the modern world is almost non-existant. On the other hand, Matt Harding has touched thousands or millions of people. While he received news coverage and ample coverage in blogs and other media, it is probably unlikely his memory will last beyond this turbulent age. The tide of information is rising like a storm and much that is unquestionably notable will probably vanish without a trace as well.
Should either article be deleted? Is Wikipedia running short on space? If it offends you, do not be surprised. In Wikipedia there are entries enough to offend us all. aka andrew mcfarlane - farlane.wordpress.com 13:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] retry the deletion issue
is there a way to settle the deletion issue for this article? some major changes have happened since the last nominations including mention of this story in major newspapers.Sourcesleuth 11:12, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Updating YouTube numbers
Please do not remove proper citations to reliable sources (as Matt San did here) and replace them with original research, i.e. the latest numbers on YouTube, simply to provide "the latest numbers". This degrades the verifiability of articles and may cause them to be nominated for deletion. Also, try to space out citations so that they don't all support the lead sentence and have a bunch of other unsupported sentences elsewhere -- it just looks sloppy. --Dhartung | Talk 22:42, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
