Talk:Matt Hamill

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[edit] Cleanup needed for Hamill's MMA record

I need some help with Hamill's MMA record. As you can see, I've added his MMA history on the bottom of his bio as we see for other MMA fighters.

Facts: Hamill has 2-0 Amateur record, and 1-0 professional record. (source: FCFIGHTER)

The only problem is, before I edited anything on this page for the first time, Hamill's record was shown as 2-0 here.. I know UFC website says the same.. but if the 2nd win was against Jesse Forbes, this means the other win was from one of his amateur fights.. why would one of those be counted and not his another (2nd) amateur fight?

I edited it to show 3-0 instead.. if we are going to include amateur fights. But then I noticed the MMA record stub on bottom is not supposed to include amateur fights.. so I kind of got myself into a mess.. would apperciate it if someone can help me sort this out.

Thanks in advance, --Cflannagan 23:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

We shouldn't be including his amateur fights. We also shouldn't use his UFC record as a source. I think what they do is count fights people had on The Ultimate Fighter which shouldn't be counted as they were exhibition bouts. Hamill's record should be 1-0. VegaDark 23:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense.. I was pretty much leaning toward fixing this to show as 1-0, but wasn't sure because this page was showing 2-0 before I did any editing on it. I've updated the page.--Cflannagan 04:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I am not as familiar with MMA so could it please be further explained as to why his fight on The Ultimate Figher is concidered an exabition?--Edy52285 08:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Because the fights took place in Nevada, and Nevada law requires that all official sporting event results be released immediately after happening. The UFC didn't wan't the fight spoilers on the show to be leaked, so they are considered exhibition bouts so they don't have to release the results to the public until the show is actually aired. VegaDark 19:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unnecessary?

Quote" He is also deaf, a condition which does not prohibit him from competition." Although I agree that it should be noted he is deaf, I think it is unnecessary to state that it doesn't prohibit him from competing because he DOES compete. Nitpicky? Probably... I didn't want to just change it without explanation though. Let me know a reason to keep it like that if you don't consent to a change. Rsheil 20:39, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

• I agree that the wording is a bit strange and should probably be removed. I think it's okay to say that he's deaf, but the "still able to compete" seems a bit POVish. Sue Anne 02:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I have already removed the part "He is also deaf, a condition which does not prohibit him from competition." and inserted "deaf" before "american".

As someone who is deaf, I do agree that it's ok to say he's deaf, but to say "a condition which does not prohibit him from competition" sounds a bit POVish to me.

My reasoning for editing it out is that it seems rebundant and awkward to say that being deaf does not prevent someone from competing. Are we going to say in other bio article of famous deaf people, things such as "he is deaf, but it does not prevent him from being able to drive on the roads" or "she is deaf, yet it does not prevent her from reading books"? --Cflannagan 23:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My mistake

While creating an article about Kendall Grove, I accidentally copied the code for that article into this one. It was temporarily an article about Kendall Grove. I think I fixed that. Sorry for the brief interuption.Alex Klotz 03:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)