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[edit] Yiddish name

The opening of the article states "Matisyahu is the Yiddish and stage name of Matthew Paul Miller". Actually, "Matisyahu" is not his Yiddish name but rather the Ashkenazi pronunciation of his Hebrew name. While the two obviously employ the same accent, they are still different (as for the difference for this word between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Hebrew pronunciation, the only different is the use of the "s" sound in MatiSyahu instead of a "t" sound in MatiTyahu. 71.103.147.36

True. I am going to change this to Hebrew as it is a Hebrew name, not Yiddish. Bstone 13:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Messianism

Its noted that matisyahu is a lubavitch chasidic, however, that sect split into to camps upon the death of the grand rebbe (the one embroiled in the crown heights riots incident wherein his driver, with him in the car, ran down two children, killing one of them), one set looking for a new rebbe, the other set considering the dead rebbe to be the messiah, who would return from the dead before long. Is it known which of these two groups matisyahu belongs to? A few of his songs mention something that sounds like 'mesh-iak', would be interesting to know if he is talking about the rebbe.

Hi, regarding Chabad-Lubavitch, although there is disagreement on some isuese like Messianism, It is all one movement, not two, and there aren't any chasidim seeking a new Rebbe. Regarding the "crown heights riot", the incident was with a driver following behind the Rebbe, not the Rebbe's car. Shlomke 18:04, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Guy's, I'm restoring my RV'd comment about Matis's Messianism. I am not accusing Matis of being a Meschichist, nor am I bashing Chabad messianism. I am simply documenting accusations, and hopefully attracting some counter-opinions. --OneTopJob6 03:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

As long as the comment remains on the talk page, you should be fine. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 03:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
If you would like to attract discussion the proper place would be here, as you can only place things in the article that are facts, not opinions. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 03:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Also this that you write that his songs speak about the Messiah, this has nothing to do with the Messianism that you wrote in the first sentence. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 03:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I've recently heard a bridge at a live concert where matisyahu sang "yechi", so he has to be a meshichist.

[edit] Too much cruft

Way too much cruft. Wikipedia is not a forum for pulicizing tour dates. Additionally, not every article that has been written about him needs to be on the website; and certainly not the same article in two different languages. Daykart 18:44, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vladimir and Zvi

Shouldn't this information be on Jewish names? Daykart 01:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Any Politics ??

There seems to be a complete political and religious contradicition. Rastafarianism has nothing in common with hassidism. Has this man expressed opinions on the Middle East, Jews and Arabs, the Iraq war or smoking pot ? 74.56.192.163 22:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

He has performed alongside Arab rappers, said that "Substance dulls the mind" in his song WP, and sings
3,000 years with no place to be
And they want me to give up my milk and honey
Don't you see, it's not about the land or the sea
Not the country but the dwelling of his majesty
in his song Jerusalem. Milk and Honey refers to Israel, the Land of Milk and Honey (Eretz Zavat Chalav U'Dvash). That about covers all those topics. -- FeldBum 12:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Has he ever claimed to be Rasta? What's the problem?

3000 years? Isn't it 1900 years? 210.84.35.104 18:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Misogyny

Allegations of sexism should be included. For example, his refusal to shake hands with women. Another incident involved refusing to share a stage with musician Eve, for fear he might come in physical contact. --AWF

Ummm, dude, according to his culture it's about respect to his wife. It's not sexism, it's just that the only woman he wishes to come into contact with his wife. Try not to be so ethnocentric...Damn, all these P.C. fags in the U.S. need to watch Star Trek to understand respect for other cultures. Keep viewing outside culture with your North American spectacles...And yes, I'm American, coming from Kentucky. Yahoo!

Hi, please sign your comments with the four tildes ~~~~ so we can know who made the comment. Shlomke 02:10, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with fear of physical contact with other women. It is a cultral respect to the wife which was agreed upon in the wedding contract. 210.84.35.104 18:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

actually, hasids think women are dirty. dirty, misogyny, same thing really. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.162.177.184 (talk) 02:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC).
Actually, no they don't. The practice of only coming into physical contact with your wife and immediately female family members is one based on modesty. Nothing more. You're sharing some rather intolerant views. Bstone 13:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Corrupted?

Seems like just a mean spirited way to say "changed", by someone who wanted a slight anti-christian tone to the paragraph. At the bottom, about the name being "Corrupted" into the Christian form of Matthew.

"Corrupted" is the proper term. It's the word linguists use to describe the changing of a word through gradual re-pronunciation. It has nothing to do with judgement in this context.Flourdustedhazzn 22:12, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mishkan Tefila

Can anyone give a source to the fact that "Matisyahu belongs to Congregation Miskan (Mishkan) Tefila" ?

a google search for "Mishkan Tefila" brought up a Conservative synagogue in Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts, however Matisyahu is an orthodox jew living in Brooklyn. Shlomke 20:06, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I saw that addition a couple of days ago when scanning my watchlist. If I'm not mistaken, it was an uncommented insertion. It looked suspicious to me at the time, but I didn't mess with it. I suspect that your inclination is correct. If it is true, or was true, someone will come along and reinsert the fact with an appropriate cite. Dick Clark 22:33, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MC Truth

hey, to the wikipedian who removed the amazon link [1] with no further explanation: it is NOT advertising for the company or artist, especially since MC Truth aka Matisyahu is not even featured on that album in question. however, that link is crucial because the "About the Artist" paragraph contains a band line-up written by MC Mystic - and it is the only place besides of archive.org and the jdub board that info can be found at all.

my point is, many articles have that nice "article lacks sources citing" tag; but when you add sources, someone comes along and removes them all? I dont get it. feel free to enlighten me! who-am-i 21:52, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Matisyahu has actualy spoken about himself as MC Truth in the Rolling Stone article by Evan Serpick, February 24, 2006 [2]

good find. I removed the part about MC Mystic's complaint but added that rolling stone article. I think someone should rephrase everthing now who-am-i 17:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Who-am-i, that is in fact what I did, I inserted the link to the rolling stone article and i refrased the MC Truth info, as well as blend it in together with his bio. it seems you did not read my edit, or is there a problem with it? Shlomke 21:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

sorry my bad, i really didnt see it, thought it was completely removed and so reverted it. who-am-i 22:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks Shlomke 03:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] West Chester or Westchester?

Which one was he born in, West Chester, Pennsylvania or Westchester, New York? The biography and the photo caption conflict.

Acording to his own website its West Chester, Pennsylvania. Shlomke 02:50, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] minor change

should be Hasidic Jew not Jewish Hasidic

  • Hi, please sign your comments with the four tildes ~~~~ so we can know who made the comment. He is "Jewish" first then "Hasidic". IZAK 21:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
    • "Jewish Hassidic" is not a phrase that is normally used in conversation or print; the accepted term is "Hassidic Jewish." There's not necessarily a logical reason for this, but that's English for you. Would you say "Catholic Irish" when you meant "Irish Catholic"? Flourdustedhazzn 22:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
    • i am wondering why the genre post-rock is added. In my opinion the music matisyahu makes normally isnt categorised as post-rock. Machina82 13:12, 26 July 2006

[edit] Needs citation

Needs citation -

The otherwise critical New York Times' Kelefa Sanneh has compared him to "early dancehall reggae stars like Barrington Levy and Eek-a-Mouse." The Chicago Tribune's Kevin Pang has described a Matisyahu performance as "soul-shaking brand of dancehall reggae, a show that captures both the jam band vibe of Phish and the ska-punk of Sublime." Reviewers generally agree that Matisyahu may disappoint reggae purists, but acknowledge the unique blend of musical traditions that Matisyahu harnesses generally please the people who see his performances.

The New York Times quote is from a concert review that ran on March 8, 2006. Cites on Wiki usually have links to the source, but I'm not sure what the policy is when the article is in a pay archive (you have to be a subscriber to the physical NYT or a paying user of their TimesSelect service to access articles that are more than 30 days old). Calling Sanneh "otherwise critical" is almost an understatememt: The concert reviewed here was played the day after Youth hit stores and, in Sanneh's words, "The record is dull, and the concert was often worse." That's one of the nicer things he says.Andrewjnyc 14:26, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chart positions

Chart positions in the Singles section do not agree with the King Without a Crown article. Cite some sources for the info?—mjb 23:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps there is a difference between the studio version from Shake Off the Dust...Arise and the live version from Live at Stubb's (plus ANOTHER version on Youth - how much mileage can you get from one song!) I only recently discovered the Billboard database and I'm not sure if the distinction is made on this page which corresponds to the Singles section. If this data is for the studio version, then the King Without a Crown article is out dated. Can anybody crack the code? Hoof Hearted 19:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Oops, I read the article too fast and didn't realize King Without a Crown covers all three versions. I'll be bold and update. Hoof Hearted 19:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other Hasidic artists??

Am curious to what other popular ones there are, and if there could be any linking to them in the article? Mathmo 10:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JDUB

someone should write down something about Matis' cutting ties with JDUB! --80.134.180.183 16:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

hes a rap artist not a reggae artist right?

He mostly sings, but can rap. ~~Iamvery~~

[edit] Live at Stubb's (live)

In the albums section, the album "Live at Stubb's" has a bracket after it saying (live). I think the fact that the article is called LIVE at Stubb's sought of implies that the album is live. In fact, the bracket just makes the article seem stupid, almost scremer at the reader "I assume that you are a total idiot, so I will continue to point out the obvious to you". (And yes i actually have heard an article say that to me.) --Will James 02:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3 Albums, 1 Live Album and 2 Remix Albums?

I'm not sure if this is accurate. Shouldn't it be 2 studio albums ("Shake Off the Dust" and "Youth"), 1 live album ("Live At Stubbs") and 1 remix album ("No Place to Be")? Is the Youth Dub even considered an album when it's more of a bonus disc? It's not a huge issue but I'm a little confused.203.131.167.26 09:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Thats a good question, I'm not sure either. I know I got the Youth Dub disc separate from Youth, but you're right, it was supposed to just come with Youth. I think it could go either way. -- Chabuk [ T • C ] 16:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Internet Archive/Taper-friendly

I re-added the Internet Archive link, which someone had removed (possibly under the misapprehension that it was some sort of link spam). It is, in fact, the only documentation, so far, that he belongs in the Category:Taper-friendly musicians. If you're going to remove the link, you either also have to remove the category (which would be inappropriate, since he clearly qualifies), or you need to expand the article to document his taping policies (which would be better, but I don't have the time to do it right now). The Internet Archive is a library—an official member of the American Library Association, in fact—and is funded by the Smithsonian, among others. There should be no problems with linking to it. Xtifr tälk 09:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Sorry about that! I wasn't aware of all that, nor did I have any idea what "taper-friendly" was. Thanks for re-adding it. --Chabuk [ T • C ] 14:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
No problem. I probably would have done the same in your shoes. As I say, I'd rather see the phenomenon covered in the body of the article, and since you're trying to take this to good article status, I'll try to do some better research in the next few days or so. I think it probably helped contribute to his popularity—although I'd never make that claim in the article without a reliable source to quote. But I think it's significant enough and interesting enough to deserve to be documented as well as it can be. Cheers. --Xtifr tälk 22:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Better picture?

One day I looked at Matisyahu's page and thought that there was something missing. As it turned out, I thought that Matisyahu's picture was not so great. I do, however, have some very good, full, face forward pictures of Matisyahu that would look much better. So, I will allow others to debate on whether there should be a change of picture before I do change the current one. I also thought I should say something about my idea before I went off changing things so.... And also while we're at it, I heard on the Jay Leno Show only about a week or so ago that, when Matisyahu was on his show, that Matisyahu is, in fact, from Philly....???Lana lang 17:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I absolutely agree - as long as you know the copyright status of the other images, feel free to add them!

[edit] GA Fail

I am failing this due to several things

  • it has a trivia section, remove it or incorporate it into the body
  • It is POV, Popular is used six times
  • Weasel words and Peacock terms Contrary to popular belief, According to Matisyahu, of their respective songs, significant departure from Matisyahu's previous work.
  • This 'paragraph' Matisyahu is married to Tahlia Miller, the couple have a son, Laivy.[4]
  • Don't wikilink solo years, 2001
  • You wikilink New York twice in the first two paragraphs
  • He counts Bob Marley, Phish,[3]God Street Wine and Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach among his musical inspirations, counts?
  • In 2006, Matisyahu appeared once again at Bonnaroo, this time performing a solo set in front of an estimated crowd of over 80,000 people. reference?
  • References come after punctuation, ex . [9] should be .[9]
  • last third of the article is just lists and tables
  • too many external links
  • References are missing details such as, date retrieved, publisher, check {{cite web}} for more information. Some references also have the same name but lead to other sites, change the name
  • The image fails WP:FUC #1
  • external link in the text # Soundcheck, WNYC, New York, NY, (December 11, 2006) Listen
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[edit] Genre Categorization

I noticed that under genre in the musician template it says "neo-psychadelia" and "dancehall". I think both of these can be heavily contested, especially neo-psychadelia. Matisyahu does not seem to have any direct influence at all from musicians like Hendrix or the Beatles. Also, the main tenet of dancehall is the use of digitally-produced riddims, which Matisyahu doesn't, at least ususally use (He might use one on the song "Indestructible", but that is all I can think of). He does have his own, rock-oriented band. I think that the genres he can be classified as most definately are reggae, rock, and hip-hop, and I guess to a lesser extent, ska, based on his bands' use of the distinctive reggae offbeat guitar in most of his songs (such as "Unique is My Dove", "King Without a Crown", "Close My Eyes", "Exaltation", etc.), and the use of guitar distortion and guitar solos as well. Obviously, Matisyahu has a very "fusion-ish" sound that has charateristics of multiple genres, but I really doubt neo-psychadelia is a direct influence. Also, Matisyahu has stated himself that he listened to reggae as a kid, and that reggae is his largest influence. I am going to remove neo-psychadelia and dancehall (dancehall might be alright), if anyone thinks different, say on this talk page. Arnesh 10:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

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