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Contents 1 Identification as Magical Sword 2 Organization 3 About the first apperance of the Master Sword... 4 Parallels 5 Powered up 6 Possible clean up?

[edit] Identification as Magical Sword

Despite fan insistence, neither the Magical Sword nor the White Sword are actually the Master Sword; Nintendo had the chance to make it so when this game was ported to the Game Boy Advance, but they did not.

Now this is not *wrong*, but it's not *right* either. Nintendo didn't (to my knowledge) change Gannon, Rupy, Rupies, etc. etc. etc. nor did they correct the Old man's tentative grasp of the English language. Now I'm not going to revert it (well, I don't have the power to, but that's not the point!), but I don't think this is really "true" as such, judging by the other errors still featured in the game. What do you think? Please discuss. Master Thief Garrett 09:49, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think my tendency would be to agree with MTG that Nintendo wasn't really interested in "fixing" the game, but this whole thing is sort of beside the point, since my opinion about the "Magical Sword" is that it doesn't have anything to do with the Master Sword, since the Master Sword was invented in Link to the Past. Talking about the role of the Master Sword in games before 1992 (or whenever it was) is pointless. --Carl 16:01, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It should be noted, as an aside, that according to the GANNON-BANNED section, Gannon and some other errors were apparently fixed in the Collector's Edition version of the game. Whether or not it fixed the Magic Sword I don't know. I will check to see if IGN etc. has a screenshot of it. Not that that makes the situation any different, but still a point of interest. Master Thief Garrett 23:12, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The whole reason I merged the sections on LoZ and AoL together was to make the connection that the swords that appear in both of these games are similar to the Master Sword in appearance (blue hilt, light-coloured blade). So even if these swords are not to be considered one in the same as the Master Sword, this should at least be pointed out so that mention of is not irrelevent. --Tydaj 02:02, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

On the official Zelda website, it says the Magic Sword and the Master Sword are indeed the same weapon. However, the problem is wheter the site is any accurate. http://zelda.com/universe/pedia/m.jsp -- DynamoDT

I wouldn't think so... It doesn't outright say, "Yes, the Magical Sword of old and the Master Sword you all know and love are, indeed, one in the same". Rather, it just lists the NES games (in smaller lettering) as games that the Master Sword has appeared in, with no mention of the Magical Sword. It could have easily been an error.208.101.160.214 22:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

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Note that many do not consider the Wind Waker proper canon.

Really? News to me. It seems pretty clear from the story line that it fits in place a few hundred years after OoT/MM and before LttP. It's all just a matter of the kids sailing off someplace and naming it Hyrule too. That they had to move could also explain why in LttP there are no Gorons, etc.

Many, many, MANY fans hate WW because of the kiddy graphics therefore some "ostracise" it from their view of the series altogether! But from an official point of view it's as canon as any other game in the series. Master Thief Garrett 01:27, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If someone would state where it's said that the Master Sword is also called the "Sword of Evil's Bane" it would be more authoritive. Cúchulainn 00:08, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

Erm, it's called SoEB up, down and across Ocarina of Time. Sheik, Rauru, the manual, and the player's guide all refer to it as such. There are a couple in-game references in other games too. Adam Marx Squared 00:25, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

"Soul Calibur II and Super Smash Bros: Melee Link's basic and most balanced weapon and companion to the Hylian Shield."

One problem, besides the colon of course: SSBM has no relevance _whatsoever_ to the storyline, whereas various interpretations of the storyline include SCII. Furthermore, I said "basic and most balanced weapon" because in SCII he has a number of weapons that are not the Master Sword & Hylian Shield (such as the Cane of Byrna, Mirror Shield or Razor Sword). If we use it in this sense, the Master Sword is actually his ONLY weapon in SSBM, the Bow, Bombs and Boomerang aside. For now, however, I will not remove it. For now.

[edit] Organization

Perhaps it would be better to organize first by name (magical sword vs. Master Sword) and then by game? --Tydaj 00:38, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] About the first apperance of the Master Sword...

I belive that the first time the Master Sword appeared (according to the timeline of all of the games together) was in OoT. Even though A Link to the Past was created first, wasn't it set later in the timeline than OoT? --A.J. 20:31, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

OoT was a prequal to The Legend of Zelda in the story line's chronology, but in actuality since LoZ was the first game, which inspired OoT, it carried the first notion of it having the virtue of being made first. I suppose you would have to decide on which sense to use, the storyline or real-time. EreinionImage:RAHSymbol.JPG 23:06, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

There is little agreement on what the timeline is, and for some parts even Miyamoto says he's not sure(!) so I'd maybe leave it in game order. That way very few can complain. Master Thief Garrett 00:22, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

It's peculiar in that it's a sort of an anachronism (B is A because A is B sort of case). I think it should be stated that the term was first introduced to the public in the first game, but was used as a catalyst for the use in OoT, which consolodated the storyline. EreinionImage:RAHSymbol.JPG 01:43, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Parallels

Has anyone else noticed a similarity between the Master Sword and the story of The Sword in the Stone? Has anyone explored this? EreinionImage:RAHSymbol.JPG 06:52, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I would assume that was his influence. However despite this similarity nothing else in ALttP matches an Arthurian setting, so I guess Miyamoto drew inspiration from all sorts of things! Master Thief Garrett^Talk 09:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, although you forget Archimedes the Owl. A clear Kaepora Gaebora parallel. And, it would solidify the notion that Link is the only one capable of pulling/wielding the Master Sword.

Link, however, never became a king to rule the land, and in OoT actually found the sword in a temple, not a forest (even Twilight Princess mentions that the Sacred Grove is the ruins of the old Temple of Time). There may be some relation, but with the weapon only. Kuro Yoake 00:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The only requirement to wield the Master Sword was a pure heart, hence why Link must attain the three Pendants of Virtue in A Link to the Past. In fact, I believe that it was used by the Knights of Hyrule during the Imprisoning War. --70.134.110.139 06:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

out of interest... why is soul calibur mentioned?84.68.110.116 23:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

never mind- didn't realise soul calibur 2 had link in 84.68.110.116 23:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Powered up

Question: In the Wind Waker, does installing a sage in a temple actually POWER UP the Master Sword, making it deal more damage? Does the fully awakened Master Sword (both temples recieving prayers) do more damage? I'd go check myself, but I wasn't a fan of the gameplay in that game and vowed never to pick it up again. (Graphics were pretty though, pity the music wasn't orchestral) Fieari 19:42, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Short answer: Yes, it does.

Or I think so, anyway. Floormasters seemed to me to fall in fewer hits in the Wind Temple than in the Earth Temple. So yeah. Adam Marx Squared 02:11, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

I'll vouch for that. --Pagrashtak 03:15, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Definitely. The cut scene also mentions a power boost. --Dracokanji 00:37, November 30 2006

By the way, did anyone else expect the arms to extend out a second time? It seemed like they had only partially extended. Considering there was a pretty obvious missing dungeon/sage/etc, it's quite possible they left out the other extension. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.73.48.43 (talk • contribs).

I'll admit that I was half-expecting it to extend one more so that the outside edges were straight up, but the weapon does look like the normal Master Sword ("normal" being the sword pictured in official artwork, OoT, and Twilight Princess), if but somewhat comical. Kuro Yoake 01:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible clean up?

I've been going through the article, and it feels very choppy. Does anyone object to my going through the entire article and fixing up some of the sections to make them flow a bit smoother? None of the information will be changed, or the article organization, just the sections themselves. If I don't get an objection by tomorrow, I'll proceed. Kuro Yoake^{Speak to me!!} 15:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)