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[edit] To anon 68.91.113.88

What is the source of your information? It seems to me this girl and her new mother have gone to great lengths to keep their current residence to themselves; what makes you think you can publish it if you know it and no one else does?

I hope — I really hope — that you are not some other pedophile trying to stalk her and help others in the process. I really regretted having to list this page for deletion only so one of many edits can be removed. If that is what you are, you will find Wikipedia is not the place for you.

Were you the same person who somehow seems to know what name these files trade under? How did you know that?

Wait a sec ... I see from your address that you are a Southwestern Bell customer in Houston. I know where you live now. You are not as anonymous as you may think. Wiki'dWitch 18:43, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

    • Please do not make threats on Wikipedia. FCYTravis 19:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
      • Sorry, I apologize. I got a little carried away. Wiki'dWitch 23:24, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] To anon 70.248.252.11

Are you the same user referenced above? Please provide a link to the source of this information, even if it is one not considered a reliable source, so that we can judge its accuracy. Wiki'dWitch 17:32, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] No Paedophile

I am no phedophile ABC leaked that info. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.91.113.88 (talk • contribs).

Do you have a published source for the information you are adding? Wikipedia cannot accept unsourced information. FCYTravis 19:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Purported personal information

I've found no source to suggest that the alleged personal information in that edit is true, which means we might as well leave it. My guess is, it's simple vandalism from someone who wanted to get a rise out of people. FCYTravis 20:05, 3 December 2005 (UTC)


Travis, you were right in the last section. Do you know for sure it isn't true? I don't. And in a case like this I would rather the edit be deleted than be wrong about it not being true.
I think this user is more than just your average bored teenage vandal. He has posted information elsewhere related to this case which is not generally available to the public. His edit history shows some disquieting signs. I suspect he's getting it from what I could only describe as other Internet sources, and I would like to know where.
This is about more than vandalism. Wiki'dWitch 02:16, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

I removed any mention of the term "Vicky" Images as this was highly innacurate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.136.166.52 (talk • contribs).

Since it's unverified, yes, it should not be in the article. But how do you know for sure it's inaccurate? Wiki'dWitch 17:34, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
I have repeatedly heard reference to the name "Vicky" in the context of child pornography on a certain forum. There is no doubt that there is *someone* going by the name of Vicky (or "Vicky Vee") online, and it would be reasonable to assume that it is in fact her. Also you forgot to remove her from Vicky. 60.224.48.152 11:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
I did that. But we will also have to put the Vicky (peer networks) redirect up for deletion. Wiki'dWitch 13:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Rumor has it that Vicky is accurate, but is there anythign we can do besides referincing the (generally illegal) files on p2p networks? Ace of Sevens 09:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption and suggestions for improvements

How in the H**l did a single man get approved to adopt a girl anyway?? I thought they didn;t do that.

Also, some material seems to be repeated in a rephrased form. The article could use a good going through with attention to chronology and see if some of it can be digested. I think there's a bit too much detail about the girl's personal life as well, meaning it kind of blurrs the article's focus.

Just some suggestions. --DanielCD 01:48, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I may have messed up the ref section a bit. I was trying to make it conform to policy format, but I'm not sure which ones are direct refs and which are external links. --DanielCD 01:55, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

How do you pronounce her first name? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.182.228.19 (talk • contribs).

I'll take care of it later. Wiki'dWitch 17:35, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] See also Justin Berry?

I haven't reverted it, but I propose that the "see also Justin Berry" at the bottom of the article (recent edit from anonymous IP) be removed. Anyone else agree or disagree that the two topics are not related closely enough to warrant a link? --Stephane Charette 06:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I do see the connection. Keep it. Wiki'dWitch 13:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Could her picture be removed?

Could her picture please be removed from the article? Even in spite of the fact that the girl gave an interview on TV and testified before Congress in order to lobby for tougher sentences for people who download and own childpornography. Masha is not yet 14 years old! What is the purpose of publishing her picture with this article? Dee, 3 June 2006.

Because articles about a person are generally improved by having photos of that person, see George W. Bush, Saddam Hussein, Tony Blair etc. Skinnyweed 03:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
This girl is not someone running for or in political office like the people you mentioned. She is the victim of a horrible crime and still underage. Is Wikipedia publishing any other pictures of rape victims? Especially pictures of children who are at the time of publication still underage? Dee, 5 June 2006
As is your perogative, you may always nominate the image for deletion if you feel paticularly strong about its removal. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 15:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, that's what I'll do. Dee, 9 June 2006
The POV-pushers have just dealt us a huge blow. Also, where is the discussion of this deletion? Skinnyweed 17:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Interestingly though, the image wasn't deleted because of the POV request, it was deleted with the following rationale: "Nominated at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2006 June 9 -- no rationale, copyvio". I imagine that if it were reuploaded with a full and complete fair-use rationale it would still be fine. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 18:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Could someone please do that. Thank you. Skinnyweed 18:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
If it is both absolutely necessary to have an image of the subject of this article, and absolutely impossible to find a free, resuable one, please make sure that the image is not one that has been simply chosen for convenience's sake and could be replaced by any other similar image, and give full copyright-holder details and a proper Wikipedia:Fair use rationale. Jkelly 17:52, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
The image appeared to be a screengrab, probably from her Primetime interview, used to illustrate an article that discussed said interview. That seems like pretty clear fair use to me. Ace of Sevens 21:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I took the image used in the Russian article (from Oprah) and gave it a more complete fair-use rationale. (It's better in any event).

I also categorically reject any argument that Masha's privacy is being protected by removing it. She has a nice Google image page; the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children in particular has published quite a few of those. She has also, as the poster up above said, sought the public eye quite regularly. She is a public figure under Sullivan v. New York Times et seq..

We have never censored Wikipedia for this reason. Gavin Arvizo's name is used in the article about his allegations against Michael Jackson. We printed that German hacker's last name. The only reason to remove the picture was the lack of fair-use rationale (which I didn't think was usually necessary for a screenshot of a person in an article about them). Not that. Wiki'dWitch 05:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Last Name

Why is Allen being referred to by first name in the article? I will be changing it. --FlareNUKE 22:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Because that's how children are normally referred to by. Skinnyweed 22:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
That's POV, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. She should be referred to by her last name relentless of her age. Lach Graham 09:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] content removal?

There was no reasoning for this removal. Does anybody have one? — pd_THOR | =/\= | 05:40, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

This sorted into my vandalism bin and I reverted. Clayboy 19:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{mergefrom}}

I'm proposing the merge & redirection of Matthew Mancuso into this article. Basically, there is nothing notable about Mr. Mancuso outside of his connection to Masha; further, the majority of his article is simply duplicative of her's. Thoughts/Input? — pd_THOR | =/\= | 15:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I have no objections, unless it turns out he played a bigger role in child porn than we presently know of. Wiki'dWitch 00:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Mainly because Masha wasn't the only person he raped, he also raped his original daughter.....so there is some extra info that doesn't have to do with Masha. Zachorious 06:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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