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[edit] Welcome

Hello Markh, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions to Amenhotep II. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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--Gareth Hughes 09:07, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pepi II

As someone else who seems to be taking an active role in entries on things relating to ancient Egypt, I just thought I'd invite you to peruse the extensive update I've done for the entry of the final attested pharaoh of the Old Kingdom, Pepi II Neferkare. Just figured you might have more to say at the very least on his funerary complex, since that seems to be your specialty.

Cheers! 8-{)} Captmondo 15:43, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Boundary Stelae image

Hi there. I see you uploaded Image:Stelae_u.jpg. Can you please add an appropriate tag (Wikipedia:Image copyright tags)? Thanks. Rd232 20:10, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Great Pyramid in wrong location

Markh: In case you didn't notice, you put your page User:Markh/Great Pyramid in the location Markh/Great Pyramid. I expect you wanted it to be at Great Pyramid. (Unless you are an administrator, you probably want to mark the incorrectly located copy for deletion.) — Nowhither 20:58, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Update: Markh/Great Pyramid seems to have been deleted. — Nowhither 17:42, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bride of the Nile

Hello, can you verify the article's content? Also, categorization is required. Thanks. --Ghirlandajo 09:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ancient Egypt

Thank you very much for your contributions relating to Ancient Egypt articles. They are very much appreciated.

—-- That Guy, From That Show! (talk) 2006-02-21 13:26Z

[edit] Userbox

I'm stealing one of your userboxes, why don't we make it an actual template?

KV(Talk) 04:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think that it would be better to use simpler hieroglyphs than
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ntr for beginners :)

KV(Talk) 15:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Ancient Near East warfare taskforce

I see you’re a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Egypt. Might you be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Ancient Near East warfare task force, which will include wars of Ancient Egypt such as Battle of Megiddo? See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Ancient Near East taskforce? Neddyseagoon 15:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trouble in Mi’kmaq-land

I'd be grateful if you'd look in on the dispute at Mi'kmaq_hieroglyphic_writing and its talk page. Evertype 16:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ahmose I Under Peer Review

First of all, thank you for making some tweaks to the Pharaoh infobox last week -- the whole thing looks much better as a result.

I wanted to ask for your input on the Ahmose I article I and another editor have been contributing to recently. He's place it up for peer review and I would particularly welcome any comments you may have on this article, in particular any holes you may see in it, or areas you think need more material. I don't think we are aiming for Featured Article status just yet, but we're at the point were any useful criticism from someone with more than a passing interest in the subject would be appreciated.

Cheers! Captmondo 15:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bil(a|i)teral Signs, Tril(a|i)teral signs

You've titled these two articles Egyptian bilateral signs and Egyptian trilateral signs but the original article on Egyptian hieroglyphs calls them Biliteral and Triliteral...possibly you could clear this up? Thanks! --Bookgrrl 00:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

D'oh. Thanks for point that out! Markh 11:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sesostris

I've done some basic scans on google and through my texts on ancient egypt to try to find the most frequent variation on s-n-wsrt I, II, and III, and I've found sesostris to be five times more common then senusret. I'm running this past you and Captmondo before I make the change, but I believe that Sesostris is probably the logical choice for the name for those pharaohs. Any opinion? Thanatosimii 18:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Ian Shaw's The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt has Senusret. Most names ending with -is (Amenophis, Osiris, Isis) are Greek renderings of Egyptian words. I think we should stay with Senusret Markh 20:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I don't want to push the issue, but I really don't think senusret is the best, as per naming conventions. Shaw does use senusret, but by my research, very few others do. Gardiner, who literally wrote the book on hieroglyphics, called him Senwosre, (the terminal t was dropped off because it was mistaken for the feminine ending, that rendering now appears as senwosret) which is also derived from Hieroglyphics and not greek. Senwosret also appears about twice as often on Google. The british museum and the University of Chicago both seem to like senwosret as well. I've just got qualms with senusret, because it uses a somewhat out of date transliteration policy with regards to when to turn the W sign into a U sound.Thanatosimii 22:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Sesostris is no where near the correct transliteration. Wolfram Grajetzki's Middle Kingdom book also transliterates it as Senusret. Gardener is not the last word in Hieroglyphics, his book is now quite outdated – what does Allen have ?
Should this discussion be on the WikiProject ? Markh 11:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I think I'm going to write somthing there, but I can see your point. I am just a little taken aback by that spelling because up until about three days ago I had never heard of the variant senusret and had always been told to tranlsitlerate W as W and not as U. But perhaps it is more established than I had believed. Oh, I know that Gardiner's book is outdated in several parts, what I meant is that because another comprehensive work has never been written on the subject, gardiner's grammar is still used as the standard work and transliteration conventions generally come out of it simply because everyone in the discipline knows it so well. Thanatosimii 15:57, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links to Sites containing Plagiarised material

Markh: You have posted lots of links to Tour Egypt all over Wikipedia. Tour Egypt routinely engages in plagiarism of its material from other web sites and books and it is a violation of Wikipedia policy to link to such sites. Please don't include anymore!

Well unless you give me examples then I will continue to link to whatever sites I think support the edits I have been making. Also please identify yourself when posting to my talk page. Markh 17:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seti I

It's nessessery to correct the titulatury. Nomen is Seti Merenptah and praenomen is Menmaatre !!! not like in the infobox. pl:user:NeferKaRe--213.169.107.71 21:15, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Ancient Egypt Tag

Well, I can't think of anything you haven't taken care of, however I have expressed some concerns back at the Talk page for our wikiproject concerning the functionality of the template, and that the bot doesn't seem to recongize it. Thanatosimii 17:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Ahmose I article tag looks OK. What are you seeing? Markh 17:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BetacommandBot

Hi. I am looking for a process to automatically add a template to any articles that are in a category. It is for Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team to add {{AncientEgyptBanner}} to all articles that are category Category:Ancient_Egypt. Would BetacommandBot do this, if so what do I need to do to run it ? Thanks in advance Markh 11:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Where do you need to add {{AncientEgyptBanner}} on the pages? if the bot can do it i'll list it on Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approvals and after i get approval ill do it if i can. Betacommand 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I would want it to tag the talk pages with the tag. Not sure whether that is a bit tricky? Markh 18:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Real Easy let me make a request on WP:B/RFA Betacommand 04:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Could you by any chance lend a hand?

Captmondo and I are growing worried that our constant edits to Ahmose I are rendering the article a slew of only loosely connected paragraphs. We are in need of someone to do a good copyedit to the article, who isn't one of us, so that our own idiosyncrecies can be smoothed out by someone who notices them. It would also be beneficial to get someone who understands enough about ancient egypt to not mess factual accuracy up when fixing strange phrasing. would you be willing to take a look? We're hoping to go for Good article quite soon, and perhaps even FA not so far down the road, but it is becoming difficult to work with in some places because it is being constructed piece by piece. It needs a pair of fresh eyes. Thanatosimii 18:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I will review, mayve after this weekend – family coming! Markh 20:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Captmondo says he still has a little bit to do anyhow, so after the weekend is a good time. Thanatosimii 21:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Captmondo got Editor_at_large to look over Ahmose, and he has a significantly copyedited copy in his sandbox, User:Editor_at_Large/Sandbox. I noticed you did a small copyedit, sorry I didn't warn you earlier, but we're focusing our edits on that one so we can comment in text <--Like This--> about things we think need work. Thanatosimii 19:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, the Ahmose article has had some rough edges shaved off, so sometime soon, unless anyone has any big objections, I think we're going to move it back into Ahmose I and get it nominated for GA. However, do you see any glaring problems still remaining that should be fixed in the meantime? Thanks. Thanatosimii 21:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neferkare

I see you nominated this page for deletion with the reasoning it should have a different title. Moving articles to a different title doesn't involve deletion and should instead be requested at Wikipedia:Requested moves. (see WP:MOVE). Happy editing! - Mgm|(talk) 10:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Img 4669.jpg listed for deletion

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[edit] Valley of the kings article

Hello Markh, see iu edit sth on da valley of the kings article, then can iu check the Valley_of_the_kings talk page? --Walter Humala |wanna Talk? 02:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA

Isn't "A" technically between "FA" and "GA"? Ahmose was "A" before, so technically I think you just demoted it... Thanatosimii 00:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You are right! Sorry got carried away with the whole thing! Markh 08:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requagnah

Hello, I'm checking the 1911 Britanicca version of the the Vault (architecture) article - it refers to the oldest vaults in egypt being located in Requagnah and Denderah in 3500 BC. Whlst Denderah can be found easily (it's even blue linked) the particular spelling of Requagnah yields nothing on google whatsoever other than mirrors of the 1911 encyclopedia site. It must have an alternative spelling or name. I wonder if you might know? Cheers. --Mcginnly | Natter 20:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hieroglyph (French Wiki article)

So if this is merged, shouldn't it now become a redirect, instead of sticking around for double maintenance? - Jmabel | Talk 06:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be deleted (not sure what actually links there, other than talk pages). It was translated from the French article and used as a template for a re-write. I will flag it now. Cheers for pointing this out. Markh 08:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Egypt/Outreach

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[edit] Valley of the Kings Improvement Drive

It's probably already at the quality level necessary for a "Good Article" designation, but my critiques are more aimed at making it "Feature Article" quality. First things first of course. ;-)

The article is slowly getting there, but there are a few more gaps or problems as I see it that need dealing with:

  • FA editors frown on anything that is a sentence or two long for a complete description of something. Keep that in mind.
Not too sure what you mean, 2 sentances isn't long enough or too long. Markh 23:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  • "and his son Akhenaten's tomb was constructed in Amarna" - my understanding is that KV55 has often been ascribed to Akhenaten, likely built after the Amarna period. It's an obvious conflict that ought to be addressed.
His is definately in Amarna as I have been in it! Markh 23:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but the point is that he had two tombs, one in Amarna that he almost certainly constructed for himself, and the other in the VofK likely constructed under the pharaoh responsible for returning to the old religion (take your pick of Smenkhkare or Tutankhamun). Not to worry, I've got the references somewhere and could likely whip something that sets the record straight.
The article is shaping up nicely btw! Captmondo 03:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry was being dim there! I have a couple of articles in magazines to track down, and then probably gp through it again and see where we are for FAC – even if it fails, then it will help with the article's structure I hope Markh 21:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Not a problem! My point may not have been obvious, and his "other" tomb in VofK is not considered an important one. I had that one covered.
The process to follow ought to be to first run the article through the Good Article candidate process first. I think it is safe to say that it likely to pass that handily at this stage. Then move on to nominate it as a possible Feature Article, where you can expect a proper grilling. ;-)
Happy to help! Cheers! Captmondo 00:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • "Exploration of the valley" section is thin on pictures. Not a requirement by any means, but there's got to be a good 18th or 19th century out-of-copyright drawing or early photograph that could help illustrate this section. I think a picture showing some ancient graffito would also be interesting, if one can be found. (I haven't checked, but you might want to head over to Project Gutenberg and look for any pertinent illustrations from the few but choice Egyptology books listed there).
Added some pictures. Markh 20:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
  • It is still not clear to me what constitutes an "important" tomb, important enough to be included on the list. Paintings/carvings/who was buried there? Making this explicit prior to the list would be helpful.
  • Given that we know that the VotK was used primarily by pharaohs of the 18th - 20th dynasties, who is not buried there? Am thinking in terms of obvious canadiates for something like "KV64".
  • Speaking of which, should probably put "KV64" in quotes, since it is not an official designation.
  • I still think the "Architecture" section a bit thin, though the idealized illustrations of the tomb-types definitely helps. I think this needs to be more specific than it currently is, maybe picking a typical tomb of each era and highlighting its key differences (and why).
  • Still need more than single-sentence descriptions for the important tomb descriptions.
Will think of more stuff. Markh 21:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that's about it. It's coming together nicely from an obvious jumble before to an article with a good shot at aiming at for future FA status.

Cheers! Captmondo 12:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

All good stuff. I was thinking about pictures, and illustrations. I have several old (i.e. out of copyright books, but they are generally poorly illustrated). I will look on Gutenberg, and see what is available. Having looked at GAC and FAC, we are already getting too long for GA (over 32k). Markh 13:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Ahmose I is similarly over-sized, and I think in this case especially it can be allowed since in many ways this is a compendium article, drawing from (and linking to) many individual related topics. Given the size, the only thing you are likely to be dinged on would be not being thorough enough. ;-)
Some potential sources for images:
Happy hunting! Captmondo 17:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
What is the procedure to use images from Gutenberg ? Do they just go in as being from the book, or do we have to credit PG ? Markh 17:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I believe all you technically have to do is cite the book, since it's public domain and you can't copyright a 2d copy of a 2d image; however, as per the citations in Ahmose, it's probably a good idea to cite the project and the page. Thanatosimii 21:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kamose

Dear Markh, On Kamose, I had to remove your fix for the 'broken references' on this king because it somehow deletes the actual text of the Carnarvon stela here. Wikipedia visitors should be given the chance to read the actual text, in my opinion even if it is partly propaganda on Kamose's part as when Kamose highlights his subject's resistance to his Year 3 camapign against Apophis in order to heighten his military greatness/prestige. After all, this is an important historical document--one of the few surviving stelas from late 17th Dynasty Egypt which lays out the situation on the ground. Regards, Leoboudv 21:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like I missed a closing slash. Well spotted. Markh 23:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Valley of the Kings

I have a healthy interest in archaeology and can help copyedit the article for the FA nomination. I just came off a rocky FAC myself. However, my expertise has been with technical articles and I'm not sure if Wikipedia's prose standard is different with history (not a standard of quality, but...you know, minor stylistic things). I'll try and copyedit the article sometime tomorrow and we can see if it improves it any. --Zeality 23:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

That would be great! I've actually tried to change the contents (much of which I didn't write) the same, I guess I should have just rewritten it all from the first. Good learning experience though! Markh 08:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I've seen that you have withdrawn the nomination of the article. I for one applaud the effort you sank into it -- it is a much improved article over before.
Sorry I could not be of much help at the time you posted it to FA, as I was just starting another round of business-related travel and was not in easy reach of my reference books on the subject. Now that I am back I can help lend a hand where needed, though I strongly suggest you have someone else give it a good copyedit first. I would recommend Editor at Large, who did a good job on the Ahmose I article and is interested in Egyptology in general. You might also want to see if there is general interest in tackling this collectively by others interested in the subject (it is likely that Thanatosimii could be convinced to help).
Also, has this article in fact made it to Good Article status? I haven't seen a note to that effect but they tend to take much longer and are much less intensive than. This should be in place prior to re-submitting this as a Feature Article.
Don't be disheartened at not getting this in as an FA article. Articles rarely make it to FA on the first round.
Cheers! Captmondo 21:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
No, every comment was helpful, I withdrew it basically 'cos no-one new was commenting, and I didn't feel that I was going to satisfy those that had any time soon! Its a much better article, and did make GA during the process, so I guess that is good. I will fiddle with it a bit more (I want to add a whole section on conservation now the pressure is off), and then get someone else's input, the guys that did Ahmose did a good job, so I may take up your suggestion. Thanks for the help in what we have done so far. Markh 22:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Karnak

I noticed you've dedicated some attention to Karnak, so I was wondering if you can give me a hand with somthing. I plan on taking your picture [1] here and edit it to show the specific parts of karnak built by the pharaohs who built there and insert such images as an illustration reign by reign through the New kingdom where it would be useful. However, to do this, I need to know piece by piece which person (most likely) built what part of Karnak, and to do this, I need a source dedicated to Karnak, rather than just piecing it together from fragments in my texts, which don't even agree all the time. Do you know of any books that are explicitly dedicated to Karnak itself? Thanatosimii 06:28, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I have been using "Thebes in Egypt" by Strudwick and Strudwick, which is a nice little book. Also Wiegall's Guide to antiquites of Upper EGypt - out of date (1911!), but very good. Markh 09:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I've heard of Thebes in Egypt... it's in my college library, but that's closed until mid January. I'll try to get ahold of that when it opens. Thanatosimii 17:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Thanks for being quick on the revert. If you are an admin please also block User:DaJAG as per his edit on Sulawesi and his comment on his own user page. He might be vandalizing more right now. MadMaxDog 00:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

From reading his page, he is history! Markh 18:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British Museum

I saw your note over at Ahmose I. We apparently have to have a GFDL image of Ahmose's Shabti, which is supposedly in the british museum. If you can get one, it would be helpful. Thanks. Thanatosimii 20:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I will look this week, it may take some looking! Markh 21:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Looks like this one [2]? It may not be on display ("Objects in the Department of Ancient Egypt and Sudan's Study Collection are accessible by appointment only. People wishing to make use of the research facilities should make an appointment in advance".). Markh 21:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maps

Hey Markh, I've been wanting to find a map to use in Ellora Caves and could use your advice since you made {{Valley of the kings imagemap}}. The map at the bottom of this link [3] would be ideal for that page. I'm not sure if it is copyrighted, I'd assume so but cannot find a sign of that on the site. The contours look the same as [4] which I found on flickr, this photo is freely licensed but I'm not sure about whether the sign is, and the resolution isn't that good. And I'm not sure if either one permits derivative works. What do you think about this? dvdrw 05:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, all I can suggest is what I did - I found a source that was out of copyright (drawn by someone who has been ded for more that 70 years), and then altered it to include things found since then. Markh 21:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ramesses IV

Dear Markh, Thanks for creating the pharaoh infobox on Ramesses IV. There is one or two things that I have been unable to add in the Pharaoh infox: they are 1) the identity of the king's spouse, a certain Queen Tentopet and 2) his son Ramesses V. I tried typing in Son=Ramesses V for the latter but it doesn't show up in the pharaoh info box. Could you just add in these 2 personal details regarding the king here? I appreciate any help you can give. Thank You Leoboudv 01:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elbows

Just so you know... that disambiguation page which pointed to, among other things, Weni the Elder, that was unnecessary, because the alternate definition had been made up. Urban Dictionary and Uncyclopedia are not reliable sources. DS 22:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Leoboudv 06:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ramesses II

Hi ! I'm pl User NeferKaRe and I'm the author of many articles about the ancient Egypt and the pharaohs in polish Wiki. I think the revert made recently is all wrong. Somebody's got to "clean up"!I mean the name of the king should be spelt Ramesses. Best regards ---213.169.107.91 16:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC) pl:User:NeferKaRe

It seems that the article about Ramesses II. is very often violated, now he is even called Rameseses II! Egyptzo 20:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

It has been moved 'accidentally', as the pages now exist, I can't move it back without possibly losing edit history. I have posted a rename request - see the article Markh 08:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear Markh, Pls correct this great pharaoh's name to Ramesses II or find a Wikipedian who knows how to correct the situation and preserve all the alterations done since your mistake soon. The folks at Encyclopaedia Brittanica are surely watching the situation with glee. If we lose a few days of edit history, that's OK by me because but most of the recent contributions on Ramesses II are unfortunately just plain vandalism which I and many others have had to revert recently. I did 2 to 3 minor contributions on Ramesses II today but I wouldn't mind losing them just to get his name right. I haven't seen anything new on him in the past few days to tell you the truth. With kind Regards, Leoboudv 06:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Betacommand

Mark, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Betacommand. -- llywrch 19:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I certainly hope you won't stay away forever.

Perhaps the most infuriating part of wikipedia is the accusations by know-nothings when we try to make things scholarly, so I can understand your upsetness. However, your presence will be missed and I hope you decide to swing by again sometime. Thanatosimii 00:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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