User talk:Mardavich

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HI FayssalF,

The article is well referenced, the overview is a summery of the entire article in the same style as any other article. I do understand that you're from Morocco and you have your own POV, but I am still surprised that you're supporting User:Ralhazzaa despite the fact that he was essentially soliciting you based on your background. I'm saying this based on the fact that User:Ralhazzaa had been cherry-picking Arab users and mass-spamming them here on English wikipedia to act as his meat-puppets, before he was asked to stop by the admins here, so now he's doing it in Arabic wikipedia. That's why I don't think such disruptive behavior should be awarded. See my reply on the article's talk page for more details.--Mardavich 12:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mardavich. Thanks for the comment. I just want to explain to you some facts re my conditional support to the NPOV tag.

First and above all, being a Moroccan has nothing to do w/ our issue. I call that a stereotyped characterization of co-editors, especially when someone tries to describe the ones w/ whom s/he disagree w/ in order to show the bias. Wrong. I've been here for 2 years now and i've never been engaged in any edit warring or POV pushing, be it in Morocco-related articles or Arab-related articles. Please correct me if i am wrong at this.

If you go back to my conditional support and try to read it carefully, you'd understand what i mean. I know very well the subject Mardavich and know of course that the term Arabian Gulf has been introduced by some Arab countries in the 20th century. However, i pointed out to the fact that the overview section (which is very important) is unreferenced and once it is referenced, my conditional support would shift to an absolute disagree. I have no book ref which i can add it as a ref to that section. Please do if you got one. Again, your message above would have had grounds if only my stance was to support the tag. It wasn't the case.

The problem(s) you raised about Ralhazza doesn't really concern me unless if it was under an RfC on his behaviour. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 13:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Can you please translate this comment for transparnecy on English wikipedia. Ralhazza has been clearly warned about canvassing other users in POV disputes, it looks like he's doing it now in Arabic and via e-mails to escape any scrutiny of his disruptive conduct. The user is evidently treating Wikipedia as a battle ground. --Mardavich 13:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The translation: Could you please configure you email account at Wikipedia? I hope to communicate w/ you in a direct way. If you can't do that you can leave me a message at my talk page. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 13:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Fayssal. By the way, sorry for any misunderstandings, I didn't mean to imply that you're biased in any ways, I was just giving you a head-up that you're probably being canvased. --Mardavich 13:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

No worries Mardavich. It is not a big deal and i do understand your attitude. I am not a fan of canvassing and in many times i warned people because of that. I just thought i had to give my opinion this time at the article talk page because i believed it is not a difficult case when every edit is clear but the only thing which was missing was the reference to the overview. So no big deals here. Happy editing. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 13:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A message to you and Ralhazzaa

To Ralhazz... Please stop overtly soliciting people to vote as per Wikipedia:Canvassing.

To Mardavich... Please calm down as per Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers. I am sure Ralhazz would stop that behaviour in the future. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 17:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Update

User:Ralhazzaa is not a new user, he's clearly familiar with the INs and OUTs of Wikipedia both here and on Arabic wikipedia, he's been citing Wiki policies which is another sign of his familiarity with Wikipedia, yet he's deliberately ignoring admin warnings regarding his ongoing disruptive spamming/canvassing campaign. After numerous admin warnings and even after your own warning, he continues canvassing users on Arabic wikipedia to this minute [1] for meat-puppetry purposes on English wikipedia. I've been told that User:Ralhazzaa is also canvassing users on IRC chat's Arabic wikipedia channel. Please look into this issue, and take any actions necessary. Rgards --Mardavich 20:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it programmed personal attck, Mardavich? I can't understand why u and others "warning" me in my personal page and discuss openly with other users what punishment I should recieve? Why you want to blam me as many opposing POVs are coming? I could also know that you had accused another users of being meat-puppets in ar.wk! Do u consider asking for "legal advice" and "how to reply an accusation" as a spam? As I don't like to personlize the problems, but it would be more civil not to run a personal attck. Pages of interest are clearly disputed and biased, it is not my problem. Please, kindly, stop any kind of personal attack and accusations Ralhazzaa 21:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I am urging everyone to calm down and take it easy. We have talked about canvassing before and the link provided above as an evidence of a spamming/canvassing campaign is not 100% correct. In fact, Ralhazzaa was asking for a legal advice from an ar.wiki user which is legitimate.

However, Ralhazzaa forgot that asking someone (especially from anothr wiki) to participate in a debate where he never participated at is a kind of meat-puppetry (see Wiki Meatpuppets) although he didn't ask User:Islamic what to do apart from a legal advice.

The translation of what has been said is the following:

I've been accused lately by a user of sending a collective message across wikipedia in relation to the article Arabian Gulf through the ar wikipedia. Can you provide me with legal advice and share our debate? I am talking about the article in the Arabian Gulf. I also hope you configure your email account.

Now, let get this very straight. Ralhazzaa, you are asked formally now to stop doing what you've been doing. If you really need a legal advice, you can do it but you should never again try to ask people to join a debate where they never participated at especially from outside the en.wiki. Indeed, we got plenty of admins HERE who will be willing to help you in this matter. Mardavich, you cannot follow any user all the way long and try to scrutinize their edits. You got plenty of interesting things to do here. Please guys take this advice and save us some time. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 10:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)