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Contents 1 I wrote a mini-biography 2 MKO is a terrorist org. 3 For everyone to see the truth 4 Disagreements 5 Protected 6 Images 7 Phrases questioned by the opponent 7.1 Family executions 7.2 Support or opposition 7.3 Marriage 7.4 Numbers 7.5 The rest 8 June 17 raid 9 Once more about reverts 10 Supporters 11 Name 12 Mullah 13 Being unusually meticulous on this article! 14 Despicable 15 Neutrality 16 WP:BLP 17 Biography is copied from the website of the organisation she is president of 18 Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg edits 19 descended from Qajar dynasty 20 Revolutionary Marriage of the leader 20.1 ================================= 21 A new Religion!

[edit] I wrote a mini-biography

I wrote a mini-biography of Maryam Rajavi, and even put pictures (from her website) that to prove the facts.

For example, I wrote about her address to a 15,000 Iranians in Dortmund (Germany) and put a picture of that as well as another gathering which she spoke to in person of 25,000 Iranians in Earl's Court, in London (United Kingdom). These events of course received much press coverage both in German and British dailies. There is however someone who keeps vandalising the text, changing facts and even writing unsubstantiated lies. The person, whom I suspect of being an agent of the Iranian regime, also vandalises the page about the People's Mojahedin Organisation of Iran (PMOI), again deleting factual texts and writing lies. It does not surprise me that agents on the payroll of the Iranian Intelligence Ministry (VEVAK) abroad try to white-wash their own crimes and pretend that the Iranian opposition are the "criminal", since I know that VEVAK are actively pursuing a campaign to demonize the Iranian opposition in the West. (If you read the talk section and edit sections of the Maryam Rajavi page and the Mojahedin-e Khalq page you will undoubtedly see that the guy continuously calls me and my friend "Terrorists" without even the slightest idea of who I am or who he is) What does however disappoint me is Wikipedia's inability to combat such abuse. Despite the service being an extremely valuable one, Wikipedia seems unable to control vandalism on its encyclopaedia.

One other fact that I thought would be useful for everyone to know, is that the Iranian regime has to date executed over 120,000 political prisoners of the PMOI and have acknowledged this themselves. A partial list of the names and particulars of those executed can be found at www.iranterror.com . Ayatollah Montazeri, Khomeini’s right hand man wrote in his memoirs a few years ago (as published in the Sunday Times) that the regime executed over 30,000 PMOI members in a matter of a few weeks in 1988. Khomeini's henchmen, many of whom today live abroad and try to demonize the Iranian opposition, also tortured over half a million PMOI supporters inside Iran's prisons. Yet, when I added the 120,000 figure in the page about the Mojahedin, the regime's guy removed it, and again started to say that such a thing was a lie. This is how VEVAK tries to demonize the Iranian opposition.

The other problem is that this guy is continuously offensive and uses offending language, as one would expect from agents who are there to defend a corrupt dictatorship.--RezaKia 16:51, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You and "your friends" huh?! And I am an agent of the Islamic Regime in Iran? Did you say "Khomeini's henchmen"?! Were you guys not his very henchmen who helped him come to power? Were you guys not his right hand in oppressing Iranian people? Who is the liar here, me or you?! Who is the one who falsely accuses people here? Me or you? You are the one who accuses anybody who tries to write the truth about the shameful history and deeds of your organization, of being an agent of the Mullahs. This is the "culture" of your cult. As I wrote before, there is almost ZERO difference between you and the mullahs (and I say "almost" because the mullahs, as repulsive as they are, are not quite as evil, opportunistic and hypocritical as you people are.) Was your organization not the one who helped bring Khomeini to power? Now you are talking about "the future of Iran"?! Who are you to talk about Iran? You were not only the henchmen of Khomeini, you were also the henchmen of Saddam. And now you are the henchmen of the neocons in Washington. You call me agent of the islamic regime? This shows your weakness and inability to answer any of these charges that your filthy organization is known for. OK, I am an agent of the mullahs, what about all the other Iranians? Is it a lie that nearly all Iranians hate your organization with passion? Because they know very well what damn hypocrites you people are. The ONLY thing consistent about your cult is that you have stabbed everybody in the back -- including your own members; and the Iranian nation is one of them. Answer these questions:

• Didn't your organization use to kill Americans in Iran during the previous regime?
• Were you guys not the ones who helped Khomeini come to power?
• Were you not involved in the takeover of the American embassy in Tehran and taking hostages?
• Did you not cooperate with Saddam Hussein?
• Are you not cooperating with Washington now?
• Do Iranian people like you and support you?

I think this is enough for now. The best thing you and "your friends" can do, is to crawl back to your holes and beat your chest for your beloved terrorist cult leaders Masoud and Maryam and help them lead you farther down the abyss. And don't write lies and rubbish here. Your entire organization is not more than at most a few thousand members, and you don't have any sympathatizers among Iranian people. Now crawl back to your cave in Saddam's desert.

[edit] MKO is a terrorist org.

I don't understand why iranians are so anxious to support the mko, it's not like if iran's mullha's leave power iran will suddenly turn fine under an mko regime, iran is split, it's always been split, nothing will solve iran's problems, iranians are a bunch of bazaris who only care for themselves and their pockets with the opportunistic acts, under any regime they will try and fill their pockets with as much cash as possible.

I hope vevak finally finishes the job by assassinating maryam rajavi, it's the least they can do, the mko has killed many iranians, it's funny, everyone says iran's media is bias and propaganda, how can we take the word of mko then? they have no bias? they would sell their own mothers to overthrow iran's government, no doubt.

I rather iranians made an org. where armed struggle or terrorism wasn't part of it, but peaceful protests and encouraging iranians to vote the most reformist mp's into power, rather than the last election encouraging iranians not to vote and they ended up with ahmadinejad, iranfocus.com is rajavi's propaganda machine, mko has had no good for iran or iranian's cause for a democratic iran, the sooner they understand this the better, personally i hate maryam rajavi and the mko, she had a hard life, tough, live with it, it gives her no right to take someone elses life for her troubles and ideas of a new iran which i can tell you many disagree with.

[edit] For everyone to see the truth

I have no intention of arguing with someone who is obviously not interested in the truth and who makes accusations without providing any proof, but for the interest of other readers and to prove that the regime lies and is running a demonization campaign against the Iranian opposition, I would like to answer the accusations.

Please, everyone reading this bear in mind that I am not myself a member of the PMOI, thus the answers I give would probably not be up to the standards of the organisation.

In response to “Didn't your organization use to kill Americans in Iran during the previous regime?”

The PMOI, (not my organisation) has never killed Americans in Iran. I understand that some 5 of 6 Americans were killed in Iran at the time of the Shah and then attributed to the Iranian opposition, however at the time the PMOI issued a statement denouncing the acts, which were later discovered to be the work of a splinter organisation, PEYKAR, who after the revolution joined Khomeini’s forces in suppressing the Iranian PMOI members, but today they are non-existent in Iran.

In response to “Were you guys not the ones who helped Khomeini come to power?”

The PMOI, (again not my organisation) fought an underground resistance against the Shah’s regime so as to free the Iranian people from tyranny. At the time Khomeini was living in France. By the time of the 1979 revolution, the entire PMOI leadership was in the Shah’s prisons, thus Khomeini was able to steal the revolution as his own and then introduced his brand of Islamic fundamentalism to suppress the Iranian people far more than the Shah did. Of course Khomeini knew that the PMOI could not be negotiated with if he were to suppress the people since they sacrificed their lives for the peoples’ freedom. Therefore most of Khomeini’s violence was directed at the PMOI, and even his number 2 man, Ayatollah Montazeri has admitted in his memoirs that in the span of only a few weeks in the summer of 1988 more than 30,000 PMOI members were executed in Khomeini’s prisons. To date Khomeini’s regime has executed over 120,000 members of the PMOI. So, I hope everyone now understands that it was not the PMOI would brought Khomeini to power. They were in prison, and when the revolution broke out Khomeini stole the momentum and pronounced himself leader, whereas before he was living in France.

In response to “Were you not involved in the takeover of the American embassy in Tehran and taking hostages?”

The PMOI never supported the regime when it took hostages in the American embassy. They gave at least a dozen statements during the 444 days denouncing the action, which in fact gave Khomeini a chance to label the Mojahedin “pro-American” and get his henchmen to attack members and supporters of the organisation.

In response to “Did you not cooperate with Saddam Hussein?”

One common charge the Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security (VEVAK) spreads about the PMOI is that the organisation cooperated with Saddam Hussein. After Khomeini’s regime executed tens of thousands of Mojahedin members and their supporters, the PMOI would their base to Iran-Iraq border. The Iran-Iraq war lasted from 1980-88. At the beginning, when Iraqi forces invaded Iran, the Mojahedin fought them, (ironically, while they were fighting Iraq, regime’s forces also shot at them from behind, so they really had to defend against both fronts). However in 1982, Iraq pulled its troops out of Iran, and declared a ceasefire. The Mojahedin promptly accepted a ceasefire on the grounds that over 100,000 Iranians and Iraqis had been killed in the war, however Khomeini chose not to accept the ceasefire and instead made the slogan “Capture Jerusalem through Baghdad” and continued the war for a further six years, at the end of which more than a million people were left dead. In 1986 Mojahedin set up base on the Iraqi side of the Iran-Iraq border, with the ceasefire they signed in effect. One of VEVAK’s usual claims is that PMOI cooperated with Iraq because it maintained an office in Baghdad throughout the years, however the reality is that Britain, France, Germany, Russia … all had and continue to have an embassy in Iraq, (even the Iranian regime has one there now). It makes perfect sense for an organisation on Iraqi soil to have a press office in Baghdad, and it doesn’t automatically mean that they cooperate with the regime.

In response to “Are you not cooperating with Washington now?” The PMOI were never enemies with the United States to begin with, their only enemy is the Iranian regime which has killed over 120,000 political prisoners and tortured over 500,000. During the U.S.-led war on Iraq, the PMOI neither assisted the Americans nor the Iraqis, thus they are now protected under the 4th Geneva Convention. The other thing the PMOI have done that is really hard to swallow for the regime is that they revealed its clandestine nuclear weapons sites. The regime had not declared these to the IAEA until the Iranian opposition revealed that, and these are not my words; these are the words of the IAEA officials and George Bush who clarified it during a recent a press conference. If this person is criticizing the PMOI for revealing to the world that the regime was secretly making nuclear weapons, then I would seriously suggest that this person’s motives are extremely suspect!

In response to “Do Iranian people like you and support you?” As an Iranian I would say the Mojahedin are supported by the vast majority of Iranians inside and outside Iran, and that is why they have so much international support too.

As I wrote in my previous post, this guy is continuously offensive and uses offending language, as one would expect from likely VEVAK agents who are there to defend a corrupt dictatorship.

Now, everyone can see that the charges this person levels are unsubstantiated and his motives are extremely suspect. For anyone wanting to learn more about the Ministry of Intelligence and Security (VEVAK) and their campaign to demonize the Iranian opposition, please take a look at this site: www.iranterror.com --RezaKia 18:29, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

From your answers there are three things that are immediately obvious to the reader:

• One, that you don't lie.
• Two, (and this one is glaringly obvious) that you are NOT a member of the MKO.
• And three, that your are impressively intelligent (for example: "The PMOI, (again not my organisation)" -- ha ha ha ha ... this one is too funny).

Usually when regime's agents blow their cover. At first they responces make no sence, and later they start to repeat all their previous lies. Just reading the note written by this "anonymous" guy, he doesn't seem to be able to reply yet continues to revert the page to his vandalism. (Note: pretty soon, I suspect, he will start to call me a terrorist again, as he has done in the Talk section of the page Mojahedin-e Khalq.)--RezaKia 08:01, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Page protected. -- Uncle Ed (talk) 21:44, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Page unlocked again. If no one's going to discuss it, then I'm not going to sit on it. Please work out a way to make this article unbiased, even if there's disagreement over the facts.

[edit] Disagreements

Also, this is not a place for exposing someone's political platforms. Excess quotations will be removed.

Looking at this talk page: the article is about a particular person. All criticism of the organization, especially about its alleged past is irrelevant and must be discussed in the page related to this organization.

Please discuss all deletions here, at talk page. Also, you have an option to create a section for criticism and opposing point of view. But wholesale reversals will not be tolerated. mikka (t) 28 June 2005 20:04 (UTC)

As I said in the history edit logs, take a moment to trace how this edit war started, at what point and by which people. It is not intelligent to just jump in the middle of some dispute and start making comments without having any clue about the history of the issue at hand. Fortunately Wikipedia has a facility called "edit history logs" and you can take just a few minutes to review them.(written by user:80.58.4.42)

I will take a look into it. All what I see at the moment is that a large amount of factual information is deleted without explanation. It is inadmissible. Also, the heated, politized language of the replacement is inadmissible.

While I am looking into the history, please present the reasons why particular parts were deleted. Please also remember what I have said above.

I will restore from my reversal all what looks justified. For the rest I will ask for confirmations.

Please sign your texts, so that the dialoig is clear. mikka (t) 28 June 2005 22:34 (UTC)

[edit] Protected

The page is protected against wholesale reverts while refuising explanations of deleted information.

Normally the editor who is repeatedly doing so would be blocked. I cannot do this now due to a software bug in the new release. Protection will be removed when blocking capabilities.

RezaKia, please keep in mind that this article is about the person, not about various events and her political party, and it is not a platform for her political propaganda. Her views must be explained clearly, but not with massive quotations.

I will also seriously abbreviate the descriptions of events, since such things are not normally included in people's biographies in such detail. If you have any objections, please state them here. mikka (t) 28 June 2005 22:26 (UTC)

Dear Mikka, I think you are right to shorten texts about events. To be honest I haven't been able to work extensively on improving my text since this anonymous person(s) keeps reverting it. --RezaKia 29 June 2005 07:53 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Wikipedia has strict policies about copyrights; please see Wikipedia:copyrights an read carefully section about image use. Copyrighted images and images of unknown source are deleted from wikipedia. Please provide the source of the images you uploaded and their copyright status; please read Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. mikka (t) 28 June 2005 22:53 (UTC)

Thanks for blocking the vandalism.

I would not call this vandalism. This is your political disagreement. mikka (t) 29 June 2005 01:23 (UTC)

By the way, the pictures were taken by two of my friends at the events with a private camera apart from the one from an old newspaper clipping which I scanned and the open source photo of Mrs. Rajavi at the top. --RezaKia 29 June 2005 00:49 (UTC)

Your friends must give the permission to use the photos an this must be explained in images. Newspaper photo scan is not allowed without the permission of the newspaper. The origin of the photo of Rajavi must be indicated and explained why it is open source. Please provide the required information, or the photos will be deleted. mikka (t) 29 June 2005 01:23 (UTC)

Dear Mikkalai I spoke with my two friends about the pictures. They explained to me that the photos were the same open-source photos that are also available on Maryam Rajavi's website. They told me that the photographs were presented on the web and also to reporters at conferences as a handout free to be used without copyright. I am not sure where I should state this on the photo. The newspaper clipping is from the daily "Mojahed" from June 1981. Being an organisation that was outlawed by the Iranian regime in Iran, officially they could not have "copyrights" thus the scan is not illegal by any means. I only put it there however to backup the fact that half a million people demonstrated in support of the PMOI in June 1981. --RezaKia 29 June 2005 07:10 (UTC)

Also you will notice that I wrote the bulk of material on the page but the vandals just change the text to purposefully make it negative. --RezaKia 29 June 2005 00:50 (UTC)

Please don't use the term "vandals". mikka (t) 29 June 2005 01:23 (UTC)

I appologize to Wikipedia for having used the term vandal on the talk section of the page. I only did it because I felt that the person(s) changing the page were doing so without reason. You have said that you took a look at the talk section of the Mojahedin-e-Khalq page and I am sure you have seen them write there that they "HATE THIS GROUP". I felt that this person(s) was editting out of contempt. --RezaKia 29 June 2005 07:10 (UTC)

Dear Mikka, May I also suggest you take a look at the talk page in Talk:People's_Mujahedin_of_Iran --RezaKia 29 June 2005 00:55 (UTC)

I've already did and I don't think I can help you here. I have no skills in political negotiations ad I don't have enough information to judge who is right in this case. The case of Maryam's article is clear so far, because the opponent mostly attacks the party, and I can remove these edits as irrelevant to the topic. mikka (t) 29 June 2005 01:23 (UTC)

[edit] Phrases questioned by the opponent

[edit] Family executions

The Shah's regime executed one of her sisters, Narges, and the Khomeini regime murdered another, Massoumeh, who died under torture in 1982 while eight months pregnant. Massoumeh's husband, Massoud Izadkhah, was also executed.

How can these facts be confirmed? mikka (t) 29 June 2005 01:25 (UTC)

There is a photo of Massoumeh which I am again willing to scan. Iranian press reported her death as "a great victory for the Islamic republic" because of who she was. --RezaKia 29 June 2005 07:16 (UTC)

[edit] Support or opposition

Two diametral versions.

PMOI quickly emerged as the principal opposition movement to the clerical regime

MKO quickly emerged as the principal support movement to the islamic regime

Both sides, please explain. mikka (t) 29 June 2005 01:33 (UTC)

First and foremost, the name of this organisation is People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran (PMOI). This name appears on the top of all their statements issued and is even written at the top of the their website at www.mojahedin.org . The reality that the PMOI was the principal opposition movement was noted in seven consequtive reports on the organization by the U.S. State Department. The U.S. Library of Congress also wrote the same thing about the group in a 1988 report on Iran. All these reports are still available on both the US State Dept. website and the US LOC website. The term MKO is solely used by the Iranian regime simply because it sounds "harsher" to Western ears. This is also noted in the US State Dept reports, though not in the Library of Congress record.--RezaKia 29 June 2005 07:23 (UTC)

[edit] Marriage

Anonym wrote:

as one of the leaders of the group because she was married to Masoud Rajavi, the leader of the organization

This is a guesswork, easily countered by the similar guesswork that Masoud maried her because she was strong politician in the first place. (Personally, I done see her as an irresistible houri, so she must be smart to be able to marry this guy.) mikka (t) 29 June 2005 01:41 (UTC)

Maryam Rajavi became a prominent figure in the group before the marriage. The marriage itself was more ceremonial than anything else. I might be wrong about this, but as I undstood it, the marriage made Maryam Rajavi an equal to Massoud Rajavi, thus the PMOI were able to fight against misogyny by having a woman as the leader. The PMOI said at the time that the Khomeini regime suppressed women, thus the best fighters against the regime "ideologically" were women. Again I may be wrong about this but to the best of my knowledge no other Islamic group is led by a woman. It is also interesting to note that in following years the PMOI's entire leadership council became comprised of women. The Iranian regime, as part of its demonizing campaign of course said that this was done to gain the support of Western politicians, but as I am sure you can imagine, it would be follhearted to give the entire command of an organization to other individuals solely to gain a good image in the West. No group would do such a thing. The realilty is that the PMOI genuinly believed that to fight against Khomenei you had to fight against misogyny. --RezaKia 29 June 2005 07:32 (UTC)

[edit] Numbers

In a speech to 15,000 Iranians in Dortmund on June 16, 1995

20,000 Iranians and French citizens attended a gathering at Cergy soccer Stadium

the numbers require confirmation. mikka (t) 29 June 2005 01:50 (UTC)

The number of Iranians attending the Dortmund gathering was also confirmed in an article by the German news service DPA at the time and the Iranian oppostion movement advertised this greatly. I put the photos to back up the case about the figures. Regarding the "20,000 Iranians and French citizens", I myself did not write that part of the page, though my friends were able to give me the photos of the gathering. I did however see a report on the event on the site http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2514 which confirms the figure. --RezaKia 29 June 2005 07:36 (UTC)

[edit] The rest

The rest of anon's replacement text is irrelevant to the person in question and must be discussed in the article about the party. mikka (t) 29 June 2005 01:54 (UTC)

Shut your smelly mouth and be quiet mikkalai, you are clueless on this subject. Why would you insist on getting involved on a subject of which you don't know shit about? As I explained to you on the MKO talk page, two other admins who are both knowledgeable on this subject had already worked on the MKO and related articles. Why don't you focus on stuff you know something about? Being admin doesn't mean that you must write articles on subjects about which you are clueless. Is this really so hard for you to understand?

[edit] June 17 raid

What was it? Is it described in wikipedia? mikka (t) 29 June 2005 01:52 (UTC)

The June 17 raid has not been made clear in Wikipedia which I thought ought to be. On that day in 2003 over 1,300 French anti-terrorist police in a coordinated effort raided the homes of Iranian dissidents and the offices of the National Council of Resistance of Iran. Some 165 activists including Rajavi were arrested. The French government charged that the Iranian opposition was bringing its base of operations to France though the NCRI said that the raid was conducted as part of France's appeasement policy towards Iran. In the days that followed, nearly a 1,000 oppostion supporters went on hunger strike in capitals around the world. Several supporters of the Iranian Resistance even set themselves on fire in front of French embassies in protest to the raid. The NCRI annouced within a two weeks the support of over 500 political personalities across the world, including a number of US Senators and Congressmen. One NCRI's website and Maryam Rajavi's wbsite both carry scanned copies of many of the letters written by such people. In the end on July 3, French courts ruled that the government did not have a case to hold Maryam Rajavi or any of the 165 people arrested in prison and all were release. Two years on, none have been charged and the fiasco remains a huge embarresment for the French government. The NCRI in later conferences revealed previously secret documents obtained from within the clerical regime in Iran which showed that the raid was carried out at the request of the Iranian regime. --RezaKia 29 June 2005 07:50 (UTC)

[edit] Once more about reverts

Any one who will revert these pages again without explanation of each and every deleted piece will be blocked from editing. I don't care about your political bickering, and it is not be tolerated in wikipedia. Answer here for each deletion separately: you have to prove each statement to be false or has reasonable doubts and request confirmation from the author, for each dubious item separately. Allah akbar. mikka (t) 30 June 2005 22:43 (UTC)

[edit] Supporters

Many famous performers, filmmakers, artists, painters, sculptors, poets and writers expressed their support for her platform for a free and secular Iran

Who? mikka (t) 30 June 2005 23:06 (UTC)

The Iranian opposition has held a number of concerts/political support gatherings in many cities across the world. Famous foreign singers who have performed for them include Chris de Burgh and Gypsy Kings but I think the majority of the performers, filmmakers, artists, painters, sculptors, poets and writers are actually Iranian ones. For example Iran's number one violinist has been supporting them for many years now. Also Marzieh, who in her time, was Iran's most famous singer actually joined the group a number of years ago. --RezaKia 1 July 2005 00:00 (UTC)

He asked you to name the "many famous performers, filmmakers, artists, painters, sculptors, poets and writers" who have "expressed their support for her". You named a couple of non-Iranian artists that your organization has hired as entertainers for your gatherings, and then you name one old Iranian singer who is, I think, over 80 years old, and god knows why she has joined your group. So it is obvious that you are spinning.

Yes, I am asking for famous (i.e., the ones who must have a wikipedia article) persons, who extressed a documented support. Sorry for the inexact phrasing of the uqestion. I was a bit in a hurry; I work on wikipedia in my spare free moments of time.

Please try to speak less personally here. Clearly, you are political enemies, but personal verbal attacks are not helpful in editing. Please stick to actual pointing of errors and drawbacks. People editing here are volonteurs, working in their free time, and have no time to read long mutual accusations. You probably know a Persian or Arabian say "Dogs bark, but the caravan moves on". mikka (t) 1 July 2005 17:38 (UTC)

He came here, ignored this question (because he couldn't come up with any names) but instead went to the MKO page and simply reverted that page back again. For your good information, almost all of his "contributions" (both on this article and the one on MKO) are copies from MKO sites. For example, the above statement, word for word, is from www.maryam-rajavi.com. Here is the copy from that site:

She also paid special attention to Iran's rich, but endangered, artistic and cultural heritage. Many famous performers, filmmakers, artists, painters, sculptors, poets and writers expressed their support for her platform for a free and secular Iran.

This is why I get mad at you and people like you who innocently jump in and interfere, especially when this guys fools you into presenting himself as a victim. RezaKia is the same person as Hanifjazayeri (it is so obvious a grade school kid can tell by just comparing their long messages in the talk pages) and this person is clearly a member of the MKO. Ask "RezaKia" where he gets the name "Hanif" from? That's from a part of the surname of one of the MKO founders, which the MKO members refer to him as "The Great Hanif".

For me it does not matter where the information came from. As you have noticed, I have already cleaned the text significantly of almost all propaganda. If you see false statements here, please explain this in the talk page. If you have additional verifiable information about the person, please add. But keep in mind that the article is about the person, not about the MKO/PMOI, whatever.

At the moment I have no time to work with MKO page. But I must say that your preferred version of MKO page is full of questionable claims. Any accusations, like killing americans, etc., require proofs. That is why I was going to start with the "supporters" version, to clean it from propaganda, and then let you to add negative proven statements. But I don't have time now, there is a holiday July 4 coming here, so you may play your revert wars a little bit longer (if any other admin will not interfere). mikka (t) 1 July 2005 22:31 (UTC)

Since the page was a biography about Maryam Rajavi, I did not go so far as writing each of the names of the personalities who have supported the PMOI. I will however at the request of Mikkalai spend some time in writing all the names which I can research in printed publications and on the internet and add them to the article as you wish. I do request however that somebody warn the "Anonymous" person of accusing me of being a member of the Mojahedin. Personal attacks should not be tolerated in Wikipedia. Both me and Hanif have made clear in previous sections of the Edit and Talk pages of the Mojahedin and Maryam Rajavi pages that we were friends, so how can this guy claim that "we are the same"!!! --RezaKia 2 July 2005 19:51 (UTC)

So you and "Hanif" are "friends" and Hanif disappears completely as soon as the ID RezaKia is created in Wikipedia and both of you have ONLY AND ONLY been involved with the MKO articles, and both of you have copied and pasted stuff from MKO web sites, and both of you have identical English style? You are impressively intelligent, mujahed, did you know that?

To Mikka and other general readers, I would point out that I only edit articles which I am knowledgable about, and I do know a thing or to about the PMOI. I would point out that the person that is making the accusations doesn't even have a Wikipedia name and just comes in with whatever IP his ISP provides each time. He too ONLY edits articles about the PMOI and tries to make them negative in any shape or form. I suggest that he has a political agenda and his IP should be banned for making personal remarks against others. If people read the Talk sections of Mojahedin and Maryam Rajavi pages they will see that he also swears at anyone who writes factually correct articles about the Mojahedin, of course, while hiding his true identity by not even having a Wikipedia username. --RezaKia 3 July 2005 00:27 (UTC)

Again, you did not address the charges, just like you never answered mikka's question when he asked you to mention a few of the names that you had claimed in the article. Let me again paste what I am accusing you (regarding the fact that you and the ID "hanifjazayeri" are the same person) and try to address this charge without spinning. Also if you can, mention a few of the names of the artists, poets, sculptors, writers, etc that you claim they support MKO; we are eagerly waiting to see the names. Don't worry about research for the contents of the article right now, just give us a few well-known names right here, so that we know you are not bullshitting. Here is my charge again:

So you and "Hanif" are "friends" and Hanif disappears completely as soon as the ID RezaKia is created in Wikipedia and both of you have ONLY AND ONLY been involved with the MKO articles, and both of you have copied and pasted stuff from MKO web sites, and both of you have identical English style? You are impressively intelligent, mujahed, did you know that?

To Mikka and other general readers, I hope that by reading my comments posted a little higher up the page you have enough information about me. If you want more, please state and I will be happy to give you. I will also add the completed list of artists, poets, sculptors, writers once I complete it since I am doing other work in my spare time as well. Please note that I refuse to answer questions by both agents of the Iranian regime as well as people who don't even introduce themselves on Wikipedia, choosing instead to make anonymous posts. The person who is accusing me of being the same person as Hanif (ie "identity fraud") does not even have a Wikipedia ID!!! I wish everyone a happy 4th of July holiday, and hope that other constructive posts will be added by unbiased people so that we can further improve this article. I am also preparing a section which would have highlights of Maryam Rajavi's recent activities. (I suspect most of it is already on her own site as well, but since this is an independent encylcopedia I think we should put a condensed "non-advertising" version in her biography here as well). --RezaKia 3 July 2005 17:48 (UTC)

OK, it is 11 days since mikka asked for some names, and RezaKia promised to provide them but now we can see that he seems to have simply disappeared. This just shows that I was right that RezaKia was the same pereson as Hanifjazayer and he was a member of the MKO. This also shows the kind of people MKO members are. They have no honor and they are liars and cheaters and pretenders. I hope this is a good lesson for you mikka to not just jump in the middle of an issue of which you don't know the various aspects that may be involved. Also, it would be nice if you yourself work on either restoring the article to its state from before the MKO members changed it or modify it yourself to reflect the facts accurately.

To Mikka and other admins, This is a partial list which I wrote in my free time: Chris de Burgh, The Gipsy Kings, Jean Ferrar (Famous French singer), Marzieh (Iran's most famous female singer), Greek diva Maria Farantouri, Abbé Pierre (Winner of the award in France as the most famous social figure in the country), Mme Danielle Mitterrand (Former French First Lady), Ross Poppel (Conductor of the London Philharmonic Orchestra), Yehudi Menuhin (UK, later became a Lord), Reza Olia, William Nygaard (Norwegian publisher), Fouzieh Mehran (distinguished Egyptian writer), Nina Karin Monsen (Norwegian philosopher and author).

Now I want to know something. How can this guy say that he is unbiased? For starters he says "it is 11 days since mikka asked for some names, and RezaKia promised to provide them but now we can see that he seems to have simply disappeared. This just shows that I was right that RezaKia was the same pereson as Hanifjazayer and he was a member of the MKO". Considering that it is the holiday season (and even if it wasn't), how can this guy without being biased state that since it had been 11 days that I didn't write some names, that would automatically make me "the same person as Hanifjazayer" and "a member of the MKO"?!!! (He obviously has suspect motives for saying this. If anything a member of the PMOI would be able to produce it faster!)

As an Iranian, I know about the PMOI considerably, but no-one can expect me to remember the names of famous supporters off by heart, (even actual members of the Mojahedin wouldn't be able to that). I found these names of personalities on their personal websites where they state their support. Some of them are also mentioned on Maryam Rajavi's website. This is just a partial list, because if I wanted to put a whole list together it would take forever, but I hope Mikka that this is sufficient.

The other thing Mikka (and other admins), is that this guy (although I would say they are a group) doesn't even have a Wikipedia username since all he does is come along, vandalise articles for the Iranian regime's benefit, and then leaves. His motives are suspect and he clearly has an agenda. I have answered all questions asked by admins here. You will notice that I have written a lot here but he hasn't answered any of the questions.

Here's a though: Has this guy (or this group) actually even made one unbiased factual statement in this page (which he has been able to back up like I have done) or does he just make random accusations, edits the page without providing factual arguments, and uses abusive language? The reality is that the Iranian regime's Ministry of Intelligence and Security (VEVAK) is a vast sinister organisation. In the Middle East, it is second only to MOSSAD (Israeli intelligence). Its purpose is to destroy any opposition to the Ayatollahs. It has a two-pronged strategy; one is international terrorism such as assassination of dissidents; the other is a vast disinformation campaign it is running to demonize the Iranian opposition in the West. Did you know recently Human Rights Watch issued a report against the Mojahedin, based on telephone interviews with 12 Iranian intelligence operatives in Europe? The National Council of Resistance of Iran recently announced on its website that over 500 parliamentarians around the world had condemned HRW for writing a biased report. For example in the report HRW announced as facts that the 12 people it had telephone-interviewed had physical torture scars on their bodies. But how can it verify that when it only spoke to them on the phone and even admitted to never having seen the 12 individuals. But it goes to show how far VEVAK has gone in its campaign to demonize the Iranian opposition. I give you one more example, then I have to go, VEVAK websites such as Iran-Interlink and Iran Didban etc... have put a video of a meeting between Iranian Resistance leader Massoud Rajavi and Saddam Hussein, which VEVAK claims to have discovered in a secret location after the US-led war in Iraq. The reality is the complete opposite. If anyone sees the video they will notice that at the top left there is an insignia. This is the insignia of the Iranian Resistance's own satellite TV channel. You ask why? Simple. Because this was not a secret video discovered in Saddam's labs, rather it was a video of the ceasefire agreement, that Massoud Rajavi went to sign with Saddam to end the Iran-Iraq war, which was broadcast by the Iranian Resistance themselves. Khomeini wanted to continue the Iran-Iraq war which cost a million lives, though Rajavi wanted to end it to stop so many lives from being killed. So again you can see how VEVAK is taking a public video, putting false subtitles underneath it, and then using it to demonize the Iranian opposition in the West. For more information I refer you to www.iranterror.com that explains some of VEVAK's most sinister tactics.--RezaKia 09:07, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

LOL. You list is cracking me up man. After 12 days, you came up with this joke? is Gypsy Kings a political supported of the MKO ?!! and is the former first lady of France, an artist whos is a political supporter of the MKO? And a "Greek diva" is another of your artist political supporters?! You are really entertaining. From your list, I can ONLY recognize one Iranian name who is a well-known artist, and that is Marzieh, who is 81 years old. The rest are non-Iranian, or not famous, and in the case of the famous ones, they are either entertainers who have accepted to perform for your gatherings for money (and not because they are your political supporters) or they are irrelevant to Iranian politics. So all in all, after 12 days, you could come up with only one name, which was a repeat and she is an 81-year-old retired singer and god knows why she has joined your organization. You were claiming your organization is popular among Iranians. Nothing is farther from the truth. Iranians like you as much they like Saddam Hussein.

Even if we accept your list (which is really more like a good joke), can you give a few links to OFFICIAL SITE(S)_ that is, not any of the numerous MKO suckpuppet web sites__ that shows the above artists are political supporters of the MKO (we know Marzieh is an MKO member, so don't bother proving that one).

Anyway, were is Massoud? Rumor has it that he is dead. He is either dead, or he doesn't know what to say to Mujaheddin about his failure in leadership. LOL.

[edit] Name

What were the names of this woman in various times? Clearly, she was not at all "Mrs. Rajavi" during her student times and when she was married someone else. mikka (t) 1 July 2005 22:31 (UTC)

Her name is Maryam Azodanlu. Before marrying Rajavai she was married to another MKO member by the name of Mehdi Abrishamchi (who is still an MKO member), so for a while she was Maryam Abrishamchi. Then she married Rajavi after what was a very controvertial "swap" and there was a big scandal about it both inside and outside their oganization for a long time. She is the third wife of Massoud Rajavi.

I fail to see why it is scandal, or of any note at all. Islam is very easy with divorces AFAIK. mikka (t) 1 July 2005 23:23 (UTC)

I didn't say it had anything to do with Islam. It had to do with internal politics and shifts of the MKO.

Still, why the word "scandal"? And why it must be of encyclopedic interest, and how is it documented (i.e., not just gossips and rumors)? mikka (t) 2 July 2005 00:17 (UTC)

The word "scandal" appears in here in discussion area when I replied to your question. Why does it need to be documented?! Are you sober?

Mikki for your information, scandals are usually "secret" whereas the divorce and marriage in this case was public. If anyone researches about the issue they will note that the marriage was more for convenience since the Mojahedin believed that men and women should be treated as equals. The most prominent female Resistance member was Maryam Rajavi, who spearheaded the women's movement as is made clear in the Main article. This marriage brought her to the same level as Mojahedin leader Massoud Rajavi in the eyes of Iranians, especially those who supported the organization. Of course the Iranian regime has always tried to disrepute the Mojahedin by making this seem like some kind of "secret scandal". Though, their efforts are mainly for Western public consumption as the majority of Iranians are quite familiar with the issue. --RezaKia 2 July 2005 19:50 (UTC)

Actually, since nobody has heard from your leader Massoud since the Americans occupied Iraq, he is either dead or he doesn't show his face (not even to MKO members) because he doesn't know how to explain his failure in his so-called "leadership". If Massoud is dead, Maryam will have to think of yet another name for herself ... hmmm ... maybe "Maryam Abrishamchi" again ?!! hahahaha

[edit] Mullah

Please provide a neutral term for phrases "mullah regime", etc., in the article, which IMO are used with the intention of offense. mikka (t) 1 July 2005 23:23 (UTC)

I suggest that the terms "clerical regime" to be used instead of "mullahs' regime" if the latter phrase is seen as biased. I have seen it used in news agency reports about leaders of the Iranian regime. --RezaKia 2 July 2005 19:55 (UTC)

[edit] Being unusually meticulous on this article!

I was following up with several subjects. Tell you frankly I am half Iranian, half English (I like both parts of me!). As a spectator to this unbelievable, and un-necessary verbal "communication" I a not a bit convinced on you too Mr.mikka. I think you are strangely over reacting on elements which are actually extracts of news reports and Internet sites. Some for your amusement is verified in the Iranian Intelligence ministry's internet sites as well. So, you know what? A big question comes up over the credibility of this site, if it is being speculated -or edited - or moderated by volunteers, and not professionals. At least I did not have this image about Wikipedia. I must admit that until now it had been one of my major references. I Hope I am wrong. But I prefer to rely on a biased supervisor. On the other hand, this whole cynical argument, would naturally provoke both parties to use language not fit for an encyclopedia!. So I do disagree with questioning, and undermining all info put by someone in this place. I think it is like as if one feels another sort of violation of freedom of speech! Please not here, at least let every one speak and judge. I do understand as well the difference between a forum and an encyclopedia, but this scene was too much! --setareh

The wikipedia is edited by volunteers. The credibility depends on people accepting the WP:NPOV mechanism which means accepting that points of view which are stated by "credible" personalities or organisations, and preferably traceable to online sources are considered "facts" in the sense that "person X stated Y" is a fact, even if you may feel that Y is clearly false. Anyway, please see WP:NPOV. i put in the cleanup tag because clearly this page needs a lot of work - preferably between people who know the subject, i.e. Maryam Rajavi. Boud 01:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Despicable

This page is pure propaganda and should be completely changed or deleted.

Never in history has any opposition group of any country been so traitorous to their own people as the Mojahedin-e-Khalq has been.

During the Iran-Iraq war they attacked the kurds on saddams behalf. They joined the iraqi army on their attacks against iran on numerous occasions.

As shown in their own propaganda page:

"In August 1993, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the Iranian Resistance's parliament, elected Maryam Rajavi as Iran's future president for the transitional period following the mullahs' overthrow."

They call themselfs:

"the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI)"

"the Iranian Resistance's parliament"

"the National Liberation Army of Iran"

"the Resistance's military arm"

They elected the entire government of future iran for themselfs.

Despite their arrogance and the huge amount of money and weapons they recieved from saddam, they did nothing to reach their despicable goals. The only thing they were good at was setting themselfs on fire to protest.

Way to go, if the rest of you mojaheds can protest in the same manner as your fellow traitors did, we would be set. Darkred 03:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality

It is abundantly clear to me that this particular topic is highly controversial in some circles. I highly recommend that a neutral third party fully verify all facts before they be treated as such. Without citations and proof, what SHOULD be a factual representation is no more than a debate about politics in Southeast Asia.

[edit] WP:BLP

did you even read any of my edits before reverting them and making those funny comments, this whole page was prior to when i edited it a propaganda page, very likely made by yourself. Next time you revert i will have to report you for spreading propaganda in Wikipedia. --Darkred 03:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Please review WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA, and WP:NPOV. Thanks. Jayjg ^(talk) 04:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Dear user:jayjg, you said: "if she's elected how can she be "self-proclaimed"? And what makes the group "terrorist"? And why would you remove all that information, including the link to her site?"

Like i meant to say above, perhaps you should consider reading the new article before reverting and then asking all those questions. If you read it your questions would be answered. However without even questioning you have also deleted my added source(new york times) which is considered a reliable source. Please revert the article back. Thank you for your cooperation.--Darkred 09:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

You have cherry-picked a single quotation from what purports to be a New York Times article. The purported article is actually being stored on a personal website, undoubtedly in violation of The New York Times copyright. You'd have a hard time making a case that that link should be kept. Now could you possibly respond to the questions I've raised? Thanks. Jayjg ^(talk) 15:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

First of all my that source backs up almost all my edits, second there is of course another copy of it on the new york times website itself.

Now to your questions. you said: "if she's elected how can she be "self-proclaimed?" Like it said in my edits and on the new york times, the ones that elected her is no other than her own organization the MKO, they have many names for themselfs to fool iranians into joining them, one of their names is: National Council of Resistance of Iran. Thus she is self-proclaimed. Your other question: And what makes the group "terrorist" Again like it said in the source, her organization the MKO have been on the USA list of terrorist gropus in years. just search the net. In the future please consider reading the article fully before questioning your own "missed lines". I didn't have to explain everything step by step, everything was clearly provided on my edit, but i did it anyway. Thank you for your understanding in advance. --Darkred 11:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Please read WP:BLP; we have to be extremely careful that biographies of living people are neutral, and you have to provide sources for all claims. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I did not change her biography one bit. I changed the propaganda and lies that were in this page. And i have provided sources, please do not revert this page without any reason. Thank you. --Darkred 22:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Did you read WP:BLP? Have you read my comments above? It is critical that you do. Jayjg ^(talk) 01:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I dont understand why you wont cooperate, you keep showing me the wiki rules! then keep rejecting my explanations and sources! It is clear that you need to read the rules more than me, so please do, start with this one: WP:BLP, just like i said there is no violation of her biography here, i did not even touch that section. Like i said in the edit summary for the page, next time you vandalize the page i will have no other choice than to report you for vandalism. I hope you will cooperate. --Darkred 04:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Please state problems rather than revert-warring. --- K a s h ^{Talk | email} 18:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Kash, when dealing with living people we have to be particularly strict about following WP:V. See WP:BLP for more information. I've restored the previous version because the one reverted to contained writing errors, deleted material, and appeared to be written in a disrespectful tone. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 21:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I see, fair enough I will try to read up on that when I get time, thanks --- K a s h ^{Talk | email} 23:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biography is copied from the website of the organisation she is president of

This whole biography is copied almost 1:1 from the public information website of the National Council of resistance of Iran (http://www.ncr-iran.org/content/view/12/26/). While this says nothing about the veracity of the facts in this article it casts doubt on the neutrality of the author.

I don't know whether this has been noted already in this discussion (since the website already has the neutrality sign) and I did not have the time to read the whole discussion, but I thought it should be noted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.154.149.18 (talk • contribs).

Hmm well it doesn't seem like a word-to-word copy so it can't really be seen as a copyvio I believe --- K a s h ^{Talk | email} 23:08, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg edits

I have reverted them, I think it's best to add the citation tag so it can be investigated further as it is definately not nonsense --- K a s h ^{Talk | email} 10:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] descended from Qajar dynasty

Maryam Rajavi's Maiden Name is Maryam Qajar Azodanlu since she is a descended from a member of the Qajar dynasty.

sources : http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=686332003

          http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3789
          http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2980279.stm

[edit] Revolutionary Marriage of the leader

Why the Revolutionary Marriage of the leader is missing here? Did it tally up with the Islamic Laws or not? In Islam women cannot re-marry for at least 90 days after divorcing the previous husband. And I understand Maryam married the new husband in a few days after her divorce! http://www.rickross.com/reference/mujahedeen/mujahedeen3.html Rajavi's meteoric ascent within the group was coupled with the dumping of her first husband and pairing off with the rugged Massoud, fuelling criticism from detractors who say the group is little more than a cult.

Kiumars

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PS: When she married Masood Rajavi , this was celebrated as new historical chapter for women ! the fact : A woman divources her own husband - after that marries the LEADER ( Mr Rajavi ) - then gets high position ! isn't it prostitution? why sex service for higher rank or position rather than abelity? if she was able or capable of higher position or rank within their TERROR ORG why would she need to seperate from her first beloved husband ? and what is symbolic with this? that she calls it a new chapter for women? PROSTITUTION ? new chapter? Rajavi comes from lower class and Maryams past is monarchy ( Ghajar Dynesty ) ,,, so read complex

[edit] A new Religion!

The article says "Rajavi has given lectures on the modern, democratic version of Islam"! So she is creating a modern Islam too? What I like to know is what her religious qualifications are? Ok, I know she has none; then what is her credibility? Ok, ok, I know she doe not have any! Then what is her authority and who gave her such authorities? Ok, ok, I know the answer to this one; it is Ayatollah Tony Blair! Kiumars

HELLO! does anybody read here? The article is written by a zeolus MUJAHED. In the opening sentence there should be a short notice that the organization is recognized as a terrorist organization by US, Canada, EU, and Iran.

http://www.hillnews.com/news/040203/terrorist.aspx