Talk:Martingrove Collegiate Institute

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This will be deleted since it's too outragious but I have to say: Heh, arguing about recognition and who's better acadmeically...MCI condensed to a point.

[edit] How is a FORMER NDP CANDIDATE more notable than an 18-year-old MBA graduate?

Reverted edits..."Irfan Ali" is not a well-known person, and could not be verified by Google. A reference will have to be provided... Eugene Kwan 07:36, 2 January 2006 (UTC) + Bla bla, leave martingrove alone eugene!!! - - Please do not edit the Notable Alumni page without written consent from chief editor. - Your cooperation is greatly appreciated. - - Now just a minute...this isn't how things are done on wikipedia. First, changes are made based on consensus and the rules. What goes into articles must be worthy of an encyclopedia! The fact that so and so is a CEO may or may not be worth discussing, but at the very least, there must be sources for this information! Until you provide the appropriate sources, I am removing your new entries. Also, please sign your comments. Eugene Kwan 03:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Bla bla, leave martingrove alone eugene!!!

First of all, it is considered pretty rude to just erase the talk page of an article unceromoniously like that. I suppose it's no surprise that the author of the above comment has no real contributions to Wikipedia as yet. With regards to the "CEO", there are no sources cited, and what's more, it doesn't even say what company he's the CEO of! I think you should read the rules carefully before making any more changes! Eugene Kwan 00:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm with you, Eugene... that was pretty un backed-up rubbish. Anyway, that aside, I think the whole 'reputation for academic excellence' has a...bit of an...editorial slant to it, shall we say. I'll wait for comments, but I think it should be revised. --Stephen 22:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. There's someone from an IP address who added the MBA link again. Incidentally, it seems to be the same person who vigorously opposed the deletion of the parent page. Let's only put on people who are noteworthy and can be verified! In the 40 year history of MCI, surely there's been one murderer. I wouldn't even consider that noteworthy, so getting an MBA at a young age, by correspondence no less, is not noteworthy either. Eugene Kwan 18:56, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I added some information from what I've been told by staff at the school as to the reason there are so few windows. I am currently looking for the records of the flightpaths of military aircraft capable of producing a sonic boom (from Pearson Airport) from around 1960, as well as any records of any other military airports in the vicinity. If I can't find a source in the next few days I'll take it back down, but I would appreciate some help. If this turns out not to be the reason behind the near complete lack of windows, perhaps the mere mention of the school's lack of windows would be worth incorporating, but I'm genuinely interested in the reasoning behind it. DougJI 05:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, this isn't how things are done here. First you do research, then you write, and not the other way around. Eugene Kwan 11:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Pearson_International_Airport Quote: The airport was sold to the City of Toronto in 1940 and used as a military training airport. In 1942 air traffic control centre was added to Malton.

A second building, similar to the existing structure at the Toronto City Centre Airport, was built to replace the old terminal in 1949 and was able to handle 400,000 passengers a year. It was demolished in the late 1960s to make way for the old T1 building. In 1958 Transport Canada took control over Toronto Airport from the City. The runways for Malton consisted of:

   * 14-32 - a 3,368 metres runway used for test flights for the Avro Arrow fighter from the A.V Roe Canada plant and now exists only as a taxiway to 05/23
   * 14-32 - 11,475 feet north south runway - replaced by 15-33R
   * 10-28 - 7425 feet northwest to southeast runway

enQuoute Source of that article http://www.yyz.aero/documents/news/pearson_profile.pdf#search='Malton%20Airport%20Building' There is no direct evidence of the lack of windows on the school being because of the potential of sonic booms, however considering the fact the the design and building of the school would have taken place during the cold war and evidentially on the flight paths of test flights by the Avro Arrow fighter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Arrow#Mark_1 source proving capability of producing a sonic boom) largely and undeniably indicates the need for a lack of windows (to prevent distractions by the tests, and to prevent broken windows). Also to note is some of the windows which are still inside the school (leading from class rooms to hallways) haven't been changed from the 60s and are shatter proof. Can we revert the edit and add the sources? DougJI 18:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

None of this seems to actually constitute a source, so much as speculation, however justified. Is this really that important? I should also point out that, in fact, there are many windows, most of which are small. However, there are large windows in the stairwells, and many windows along the gym corridor, both of which would seem inadvisable if the designers were concerned about sonic booms. There could be many other reasons for the lack of large windows you would find in other schools, such as a concern over vandalism. The windows which face into the hallways have mesh in them, like many windows in schools, probably because of concerns over students, not airplanes, smashing them. At any rate, Wikipedia entries are not a forum for showcasing personal speculations. Sorry. Eugene Kwan 10:55, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eugene Kwan

Now wait just a minute. I don't appreciate you unceremoniously deleting my additions to this page. I think that information about the windows could be important to somebody looking up MCI, and seeing as there is a distinct lack of information on this page, it is nice to have more information. This lack of windows is part of the distinctness of the arcitecture of this school. As for my sources, I currently attend MCI, so I think I would know. Also, why did you remove the information about the Martingrove Beacon? --Tom 22:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

My apologies if you were offended by my deletions. To respond to your comments: I also went to MCI, and there are many windows. There just aren't as many as you would find in other schools. Do you have any evidence to suggest that it is, indeed, indicative of the period? Did you speak to the designers to find out if indeed, the reason is energy efficiency? Are there any documents to support this? Unfortunately, you can't cite yourself as a source. Sources should be verifiable, like a reference to some document. In any case, I don't think the window stuff is terribly encyclopedia worthy. You might as well complain about the poor choice of school colors, or the bland floor tiling, which may also be indicative of the architecture of the period. The stuff about the Martingrove Beacon may well be true, but is unsubstantiated. The entry for MCI should not sound like an advertisement for the school, although stuff about the school newspaper sounds reasonable to put in. I also question some of the notable alumni. I have certainly never heard of some of them, and there is nothing to back some of them up, either. Perhaps you think it's unreasonable to demand so much for a simple page on a high school, but I think lots of sources is what makes an article believable and trustworthy. Eugene Kwan 22:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photograph

This page desparately needs a photograph, or at the very least, a logo. Could somebody PLEASE try to find one? Also, if uploading a map with driving directions to get to MCI, what tags should I use?--Tom 23:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)