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[edit] Random Question

Is he the son of Richard Brodeur? Marcus1060 03:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling and POV

Terms like "amazing" and "incredible" are not encyclopedic. Having in-depth year-by-year review of his hockey carreer is actually a very interesting approach, but pls try to avoid it seeming like a blog by a Brodeur fan. Themindset 17:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

good to see the chenin addition... Im glad we're expanding our info to include everything about the man, his whole, the combination of parts

[edit] "His implications with the village are now done"

This needs to be re-worded.

[edit] Help me fix this article up

I would like to attempt to get this article to GA status right now, and I know it's possible. If anyone wants to help me work on it then feel free to. It needs a lot of references, and needs to be structured better, for right now. Sportskido8 22:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I guess I could add a few things about him tomorow, I got his stats lying around somewhere, so I'll add that and what ever info I can get my hands on. EnsignLovel 11:38, 23 January 2007
Article's looking pretty good, I think I will nominate it for GA-status soon. Sportskido8 20:58, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marty Rules!

Je T'aime Martin!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.136.66.22 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

I've Been to some games and I am a leafs fan, I went to the games where Marty played. And I left the arena speechless. I've never seen any body move so quickly post to post. he is the best i've ever seen hands down (next to Patty Roy of cource). EnsignLovel 11:44 23 January 2007

Just to let you know, talk pages aren't for opinions on how much you like a player, leave that up to hockey forums. As a disliking Brodeur fan, I think he's so good said by everyone cause he's Canadian (I'm Canadian, so it's not an insult), more well-known and probably more famous, but Dominik Hasek should get some credit anyway. I could go on about why Hasek is better. If you really want to know, leave me a message. Hasek is the best 03:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Records

I'm torn. Should the records be a list (easier to read) or prose (harder to grasp, but nicer encyclopedic format)? Sportskido8 19:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Use Wayne Gretzky as a template. He's got lots of references to his personal records there, but he also has his own separate page just for him to keep the space issue down (granted, he owns a lot more records than Marty, but by the time he's done, Martin will be to goalies what Gretzky was to forwards). Anthony Hit me up... 20:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Martin Brodeur the stone wall

Martin brodeur has been said to be the best Goaltender in the world. And he's even writen his own book. And he even wore the c on his jersey when he played in some europ league or some other minor hockey league. "He is the greatest goalie to ever step onto NHL ice." EnsignLovel Im interested to see how long he will stay in the NHL, he's not that old and I believe he still has some more golden years to come. (ten years give or take) EnsignLovel

[edit] Goal scoring

It's pretty rare that an NHL goaltender scores a goal, and the fact that Brodeur has done so should be in the lead. Why someone keeps taking it out is beyond me. 204.149.81.4 21:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, ok I put it back. Happy? Sportskido8 22:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marty's Better chant

Just wondering if we could throw in a reference to the "Marty's Better" chant that every visiting goaltender faces when they play the Devils in Jersey, like here: [1] and here: [2]. I wanted to bring it up on the talk page before making an edit to the main page if there's nowhere it would fit logically. Anthony Hit me up... 18:58, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Nomination

I have listed this article for GA consideration today. I think that it can pass for that at this point. Sportskido8 07:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Isn't there a nomination page? Anyway, just removed the current season stats, all hockey articles should follow the recommended structure. Looks good in general. --Krm500 20:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA review

While reviewing, I basically compared its format with Wayne Gretzky, which is an FA.

I am placing the article on hold until the following concerns are addressed:

  1. This is minor, but I think the medal information should go under the main infobox, that's what most Olympian articles that I've seen do.
  2. The records section should be prosified and go after the craeer statistics section. Many of the records aren't notable, such as the team records and others such as the placings could use a sentence saying "as of February 2007" or something along those lines. Either way, the section needs shortening, again, model it after the records section on the Wayne Gretzky page, as it's an FA.
  3. The awards section should also go after career statistics, but it doesn't need prosification.
  4. The statistics portion of "International play" should stay where it is, but the paragraphs could perhaps be added to the main part of the article.
  5. the "General references" section should be renamed "External links" and go at the bottom of the article.
  6. The Personal life section needs sources that can confirm that he has children, etc. Also "Best goalie ever." is extreme POV.
  7. The NHL career section could use a few more cites. Everything that could be taken as POV is sourced, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to have a couple cites.
  8. Generally, the prose flows well and is very well-written. Good job!

Once these concerns are addressed, contact me and I'll re-review the article. Many of my concerns are format-related so it shouldn't take too long to modify the article. Thanks for your work on the article so far -- Scorpion 18:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Just a small note, the medal info should go with the International stats. -- Scorpion 23:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for taking your time to review this article. I have made a few changes already in accordance with your suggestions, but I have a few concerns. The Wayne Gretzky article is definitely very nice, but I do not feel that EVERY aspect of this article needs to coincide with that one. I understand that using it as a benchmark makes sense, but I don't think this article needs to be replicated down to the very grain of the other. I was also not sure about Marty's records. It can be put into prose form, but it won't stand out as much. I think people like reading these kinds of things in list form. Gretzky has a records list as well, but it's so long that it's in a separate article. Lastly, does the medal have to go with the international stats? It looks good where it is, I think. Sorry to be so picky on this. You're definitely right about the sources, it needs more. I'll work on that. Sportskido8 02:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't like the look with the medalbox in the stats section, bring it back up. --Krm500 02:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, could the records section at least be trimmed down? For example, are all of the Devils records really needed? Perhaps just a small section saying he is the Devils all-time leader in wins, losses, ties, GA, etc.
As for the medals section, I was just going by what I've seen in other medal winning athlete pages, but I've made a couple rearranges. And I at first thought the international tournaments he had participated in could go below, but I think it's okay.
Finally, I think the awards section needs sources too. It shouldn't be that hard, the official NHL site has a good trophies section that you can cite. -- Scorpion 02:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Does the new legacy section tie everything in well? Sportskido8 10:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Yea, looks good in my opinion. --Krm500 12:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
The legacy section looks very good, but could each record have a cite, or at least a sentence saying "records according to _____". Basically, the article just needs some more citations, then its done. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scorpion0422 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC).
Ok, I will work on the references. The reason why I didn't put the cites in the actual records section is because I sourced all of them in the NHL prose above (or most of them I think). But I will add something in to records as well. Sportskido8 19:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I did notice that, but it certainly doesn't hurt to have a source. -- Scorpion 19:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
  • There are two days left until the articles on hold status is expired. Are you ready for me to reevaluate the article? -- Scorpion 18:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Well there are close to 50 sources now but I could add more if you want me to. Sportskido8 01:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
No need. It's of GA quality in its present form, so I grant this article GA status. -- Scorpion 02:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations sportskido!--Krm500 02:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Woohoo! Thanks. Now it's time to get this to FA-status, eventually. Sportskido8 02:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd love to see another hockey article reach FA status, so I'll help out where I can. But just so we're clear on something: Leafs > Devils. That is all. -- Scorpion 04:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation and some new photos

I'm not really a hockey fan but I saw some nice creative commons pics of him on flickr and uploaded them to Commons. I came here to add one of the pics and I noticed there is no mention of the correct pronunciation of his name. Since it's kind of tricky shouldn't that be included? I mean isn't it pronounced Mar-tan Bro-door? Usually we Americans pronounce Martin Mart-en. So maybe some breakdown of the pronunication is in order. Quadzilla99 07:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally all the pics are located here. I also put a commons box down in the external links section which redirects to the page with the pics. Quadzilla99 07:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Awesome. I didn't think we had any more open licensed pics of him. Sportskido8 20:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The correct way, in fact, is Mar-tan Bro-dooor. The last sylable isn't pronounced like "door" but more like how it sounds in "do". Mike Emrick, who makes it a point to pronounce every NHL's player name correctly, says it right in NJ Devil broadcasts. Here is the official pronounciation guide: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/shn/pronunc.htm 132.238.143.131 19:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The FA-nom

I put the article up for FA-nomination today. I can't see anything that would hold it back. Sportskido8 16:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Wins Edits

Please stop editing matters related to "wins" in this article. His records stand and are accepted by the NHL regardless of changes in NHL regulations. Rules change often and not always for the better when it comes to records. Brodeur was well on his way to these records before the shootout was implemented and this change does not affect his achievement. If you wish to say that he somehow doesn't deserve this acclaim please also attach notes to his GAA and Save % to account for larger offensive zones, more PP time, pad restrictions, the trapezoid, penalties on D-men, and other rule changes that have negatively affected his ability to achieve certain career numbers.

I don't know if these edits are by sore fans of other teams but these numbers are sourced from the NHL and as such are are the holy word when it comes to NHL matters. If your feelings of denial and anger persist I suggest you seek counseling. JRWalko 02:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. Thank you. Bsroiaadn 03:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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