Talk:Mark Dalton (porn star)
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[edit] Refs for other video items
Not sure how to do footnotes correctly, or where to put these, although I'll add them to the videography list:
There's more online somewhere that aren't in the video listing overleaf.Skookum1 06:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I deleted the second listing, it's a compilation and doesn't include and footage of Dalton that isn't found in other films. I also added two more films that I found at Dynamite Studios; however, the guideline is that only 6 films are listed for a performer; so these additions may be deleted. Since there are now only 9 instead of 6, it might stay intact.
- I don't usually add references to individual films in a videography; the information in the article and sources for that information were disputed so I was very thorough.—Chidom talk 18:31, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Wouldn't the more recent ones be the preferred (The Model, Wet Dreams?)Skookum1 18:37, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Wet Dreams isn't listed at all; do you have more info on that film? As for the more recent films, I wouldn't prefer listing those over others, but that's my opinion. My reasoning would be to list the films that he did for more "mainstream" porn companies, especially Super Soaked for Jocks Studios (a division of Falcon Entertainment, perhaps the most well-known family of gay porn studios there is). I'd also prefer films by other more well-known studios such as Pacific Sun and Vista, with more well-known directors (Michael Zen and Jett Black) than listing films targeted at a more specific audience by less familiar studios. Part of his importance is that he has been embraced across "target boundaries", if you will; he appeals to a wider audience than just those who are into bodybuilders. Unless and until someone wants to pare back his videography, though, it's not an issue.—Chidom talk 04:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- My bad; there is a DVD called "Wet Dreams" but it doesn't have him in it; I was confusing it with "Super Soaked", I think.Skookum1 21:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Wet Dreams isn't listed at all; do you have more info on that film? As for the more recent films, I wouldn't prefer listing those over others, but that's my opinion. My reasoning would be to list the films that he did for more "mainstream" porn companies, especially Super Soaked for Jocks Studios (a division of Falcon Entertainment, perhaps the most well-known family of gay porn studios there is). I'd also prefer films by other more well-known studios such as Pacific Sun and Vista, with more well-known directors (Michael Zen and Jett Black) than listing films targeted at a more specific audience by less familiar studios. Part of his importance is that he has been embraced across "target boundaries", if you will; he appeals to a wider audience than just those who are into bodybuilders. Unless and until someone wants to pare back his videography, though, it's not an issue.—Chidom talk 04:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Wouldn't the more recent ones be the preferred (The Model, Wet Dreams?)Skookum1 18:37, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DVD Images
There's been some discussion lately about using DVD images here. While I'm the one who put forth the rationale, I think it's sound and in compliance with Wikipedia:Fair use, while just plopping a DVD cover image into an article probably isn't. I'm guilty of the same in past articles, and the jury's still out, though; I'll leave it for now.—Chidom talk 20:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] ethnicity
Race or peoples, who cares? That's not what ethnicity means. Ethnicity means is he Irish or Scottish or whatever Dalton is - and it happens to be English-as-in-of-English-stock in origin - dale+town basically, "town in the valley"; there are several towns in England and one in Scotland named Dalton, suggesting his stock came from there. By the look of the boy he's got some Celt in him, so maybe - if there's nothing else in there (like Irish - he looks Irish, of a certain kind, or part French)- the roots are in the Scottish town, or in the one English town in Cumbria, which is a redoubt of Celtic blood within the English nationality, like the West Country (Northumbria and York and the other North Sea counties are heavily Scandinavianized, bloodline-wise. But his ethnicity is one of these; the field does not ask for "race"; for now given the likelihood that the Dalton surname is English-ethnic in origin (rather than Scottish - but even there the name is in Dumfries and Galloway, right on the English border and no doubt English-ethnic anyway, although the likelihood of Celtic-Scot and Nordic-Scot family lines in him is strong; he has features that could be Danish, too, come to think of it, but all we can state for certain, from what we know from Dalton, is that the surname is English. I'd say, speaking as a Canadian, that "American" is an ethnicity, and also and very much so "Texan" is also an ethnicity, like Quebecois within Canada (sorta); I'm going to change it to "English" for now - back to "English people" I guess (rather than "English peoples", which would seem to refer to the anglosphere, whereas here we want to specific English-from-England, so I'll use [[England|English]], it's only the English as a people that we want to specify here, not English speakers in general. If his family is long-time Texan, dating back to the Republic, I'd say there's a hot potato of an issue (as with other vintage Texans) as to whether to identify them ethnically that way, as e.g. with Cajuns; that, other than his apparent bisexuality, or friendly tolerance of homosexuality, he doesn't fit the ordinary image of Texans is completely counterweighed by his accent and sassy bearing, which could only be Texan in origin. I don't usually drop by here but have reasons to have the page marked; but when I saw the "race" card played here it's plain-and-simple: the field calls for ethnicity, and his ethnicity is either [[England|English]] or [[United States of America|American]] or, perhaps, [[Texas|Texan]].Skookum1 05:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, seems like it's most likely Italian - "Son" as a surname, according to a genealogy search, the score for which was, based on number of family trees indexed, from wherever:
Italy 27 England 4 Sweden 4 France 3 Great Britain 3 China 2
But really the only way to be sure, other than just going on statistical probability (replacing "Italian" for "American", which was my last change after my original, er, mistake), is to write the guy and ask him, partly because ethnicity is also about self-identification; long-time Norwegian-stock families in north and east England now identify as English, but physically and lexically still remain apart - like Texans, in fact, which is why the possibility that that's an apporpriate ethnicity - it's what he sees himself as, if the family roots in the old country are long ago, "American" is most likely - for now; and also because you can't know by surname alone, even on his father's side, being American/Texan, he's probably a mix, whatever "Son" was originally when the name came to America. Any volunteers to write him, or his manager, and just ask? Just say it's to get the info in his Wikipedia bio correct? Takers?? Looking at the list, my initial take that he might be (northern) French is now shifted; he does look like a Swedish farmboy, big-time; especially that particular complexion and hair colour. This may sound overdetailed for a fairly obsucre single point of debate but these are the issues anyway. he's obviouisly not Chinese, so he could easily be any of the other five. My take he's Anglo-Celtic or Nordic-Gallic or something like that; but he could be northern Italian also. There's only one way to find out...Skookum1 06:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
