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[edit] Is this for real???

Are you sure it's not like an April Fools joke or something? 206.66.217.143 19:47, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this is real. -Sukecchi 19:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
It's so real, it's real. Besides, it's not April Fools yet.Willy105 21:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Besides...look at the art ad official logos. The fans couldn't do stuff like that legally.GrandMasterGalvatron 21:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
The homepage is hosted on Sega's database. I doubt it is fake, unless Sega and Nintendo have done a team up joke.

OBEY STARMAN 21:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's fairly close to April 1st... let's wait until the 14th or so (2 weeks after)... if it's proven to be true, then this may very well be the best year in gaming history. RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 01:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

What reason does anyone have to think that it's fake aside from that fact that it's close to April Fools? DanPMK 01:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, we have the very famous Super Smash Bros. Melee April Fool's joke, where they said Sonic and Tails were supposed to be unlockable iin SSB:Melee. Then, we have rumours going about that Sonic is in SSB: Brawl, then he's not...then even the game MAKERS don't know if he's in...magazines are leaking... It's all speculation. Besides, Nintendo Magazine announces NiGHTS for the Wii (a sequal a decade later...), then this? it's suspicious. it's like Sega and Nintendo are catering to all the gamers' wishes and dreams... a little *too* well. That's why i think it might be a hoax. i hope to the powers that be that this is false, but i'm cautious this way. RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 02:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Why would Nintendo and Sega pay through licensing with ISM and each other just to play it off as a April Fool's Joke? Also, the Sonic and Tails Hoax was made-up by EGM ONLY. It wasn't mentioned on the Nintendo's or Sega's website at all. magiciandude 02:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
You have a very interesting point on that one, Magiciandude. The only possible explanation i can think up is to drive hype for sega's games (sonic's failing series in particular), and nintendo's wii console. Though they could both EASILY afford the licensing fees, you're probably right on this being the real deal. RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 02:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Glad I can be of service. :) magiciandude 02:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

There's also the fact that SEGA of japan has put this on their official site. April fools day is not a holiday in japan.

The second and third sources on this page are on the oficial sega and nintendo site, and the logo has the official bejing 2008 logo on it, so in order for this to be an april fools, you would need sega, nintendo and the olympic people's co-operation. It involves way to much time and effort for an april fools joke. Also, it isn't april yet, why would they announce an april fools day joke 4 days early, it makes no sence. Mattyatty 15:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

To make it all the better. That's the best time to try and make an April Fool's Joke. In fact, I initially planned on changing my Shadow site into a Silver site. However, skin problems screwed it up for me. Regardless, it seems that it's actually legit with all the evidence towards it. --69.210.144.31 21:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More information

You can find more information here, about how the game came to be. Also, remember that this game will be for Nintendo DS too, so it should be included in their list. -- ReyBrujo 03:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Another interview at GameDaily. -- ReyBrujo 03:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article name

Please do not recreate "Mario&Sonic at the Olympic Games". We don't follow the trademark typography (check Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks)). The correct article name is "Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games" because of our naming conventions, since & should not be used in titles. However, since the article history is already split in this and Mario&Sonic..., I am not moving it for now. -- ReyBrujo 04:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, someone needs to fix the one called "Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games" so it can be used for the article, and the Mario&Sonic can eb redirect..InvaderSora- The Irken Invader With a keyblade. 04:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

FOR GODS SAKE, STOP FUCKING UP THE ARTICLE!!!! THE ONE I MADE IS BIGGER, AND I MERGED IT. THIS IS PISSING ME OFF. NOW LETS FIX THE ARTICLE! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!InvaderSora- The Irken Invader With a keyblade. 04:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice, I was not expecting an admin to come this fast :-) Now we need to do a history merge between Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games and Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games, and redirect the former to the later. I would suggest also semi (or fully) protecting both pages with ampersand for now (as new users may want to write the article in the other name because "that is how the game is really called". -- ReyBrujo 04:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

You eman the one i made being kept and the older one with less info being merged into mine? Okay. InvaderSora- The Irken Invader With a keyblade. 05:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Histories

[edit] Merge discussion

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Yes, that's a "." at the end. The histories of the two articles (note: not this talk page) need to be merged before anything else happens. Chris cheese whine 04:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Just for the record, the name of the game is "Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games" (which it is currently at). TJ Spyke 04:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, this should be merged into the one i made, which is bigger and egtting screwed up. InvaderSora- The Irken Invader With a keyblade. 04:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
You are the one causing this whole mess. The article on this game existed longer than your version (which appears to be about 1 hour old), and this one is the CORRECT name. You screwed up the page, messed up the edit histories, caused the page to be locked, and are acting like you own it. How many rules are you trying to break? TJ Spyke 04:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
By convention, history merges are performed to the older location (i.e. here). Chris cheese whine 04:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, so we have four articles: Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, Mario&Sonic at the Olympic Games, Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games and Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games.. We are missing Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games. and Mario&Sonic at the Olympic Games. ;-)
So, first we decide the game title, then redirect all the articles and talk pages of the ones that do not have history to the title we decide. -- ReyBrujo 04:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The NOA press release [1] and Sega press release [2] both use "Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games". That is also what the logo uses. TJ Spyke 05:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Obviously the title is not "Mario&Sonic" because there are SPACES BETWEEN THOSE FREAKING WORDS. So at any rate, that better not be the final page name.--Bishop2 05:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
InvaderSora argues that that is the right title because it is the typography of the logo. Anyways, if we all agree that this is the correct name, I can make a history merge (but only if we agree in the next 15 or so minutes, it is already too late, history merges are usually tedious, and having just one editing either article while merging messes everything again. -- ReyBrujo 05:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Spaces aren't always clear in logos. For example, the logos in every Mega Man game has it spelled "MEGAMAN". TJ Spyke 05:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
By the way, my note at AN is here, in case you need an admin to do the history merge or unprotect the articles. -- ReyBrujo 05:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The history merge does not need to wait. Currently both pages are protected, so there should be no intermediate edits to mess things up as long as the redirect created is itself protected. Once the history merge is done, so that people can hash out the contents, the protection can be downgraded to moves only. But the history merge needs to take first priority. Where it is merged to is irrelevant, but I suggest this location rather than the other purely for seniority. Chris cheese whine 05:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Not to mention that this is the correct title of the game. To put it anywhere else would be incorrect. TJ Spyke 05:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
But once the page is deleted, the protection stops. Basically, we delete a page, move the other to the old place, and then recover all the deleted edits. And then comes the manual work, doing a diff between every version to get sure the newest version has all the edits, making the article even longer. I don't have that much time now, but if by the time I check this again the history merge is still not done, I will gladly do it. -- ReyBrujo 05:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Longer article is better

I don't give a shit if it's a older article. Info and size is what matters. I said VERY CLEARLY that the article is mine AS IN I CREATED IT!!!!! IM TRYING TO EGT IT TO THE RIGHT NAME, BUT I CANT BECAUSE OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! InvaderSora- The Irken Invader With a keyblade. 05:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

InvaderSora, please read Wikipedia:Ownership of articles, and calm down. -- ReyBrujo 05:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll calm down when you READ what i POSTED. "MY ARTICLE" as in I CREATED IT, which i DID. InvaderSora- The Irken Invader With a keyblade. 05:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

No, you are trying to get it to the WRONG name (as I have shown). So rather than creating a duplicate article and redirecting the old one (which is AGAINST THE RULES since it messes up the edit history), you should have edited the current article (which is at the correct name). BTW, shouting and saying "I want the article MY WAY" and ignoring policies and guidelines will not help your case. You just got unblocked a few days ago (with the admin saying the next one would be permanent). You have not provided anything to support you. TJ Spyke 05:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, now do you understand that there was another article already created hours before yours? -- ReyBrujo 05:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Again, i don't give a shit. The one i made is bigger. Bigger comes after age. InvaderSora- The Irken Invader With a keyblade. 05:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
No it doesn't. And mergers are done to the CORRECT title (which is not yours). TJ Spyke 05:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, that is a problem. You are basically dismissing the contributions of many people just because your version is bigger. Imagine if I come tomorrow, write a longer article, and delete yours because mine is longer, how would you feel? -- ReyBrujo 05:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

If it was bigger and more info, Go ahead. And you're telling me (Talking to TJ now) that if a article came after another one, and was bigger, the older one would stay? And i try to egt it to the correct title, but i cant because of them. READ THE ENIRE SECTION< BECAUS EI AM TIRED OF REPEATING MYSELF.InvaderSora- The Irken Invader With a keyblade. 05:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

The older page is the one that uses the correct name of the game. Please read on how to edit an article, you should edit the existing article (not create a seperate one at the WRONG TITLE and then redirect the older page, destroying the edit history). TJ Spyke 05:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, because there should be one and only one article. Of course, ideally the new content from the later article should be merged into the older one, and we get the best of both worlds. Chris cheese whine 05:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I must ask: what the hell does age of an article matter? ANd read my other posts, because i am done repeating myself to help you be lazy.InvaderSora- The Irken Invader With a keyblade. 05:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you ignoring others posts? The CORRECT name of the game is "Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games", which is what the original article was. All other variations should be redirects. BTW, "your" version is about the same length (except for the original research that "some" people thouht it was a April Fools joke). TJ Spyke 05:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Everything. You should have been adding information to the older article (that's why they're editable in the first place), not creating your own in competition. Chris cheese whine 05:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
InvaderSora, every edit we do is released under the GFDL license. And the license states that anyone should have access to every version. When you create a completely new version, yet use content from previous versions without acknowledging the source (in example, copying and pasting the infobox, or some other text, external links, quotes, etc), you effectively go against the spirit of keeping track of all the changes. Instead of creating a new article, you need to expand the existing one. If you did not know one existed, it is fine. But to try to delete the old one because the new is better/longer/whatever goes against our own license. -- ReyBrujo 05:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I DIDNT SEE THE OTHER ARTICLE WHEN I MADE MINE. AND FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME< I TRIED TO FIX THE TITLE. WILL YOU STOP AND READ? InvaderSora- The Irken Invader With a keyblade. 05:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

What you should have doen was turn the article you started into a redirect to the existing article (not the other way around, and NOT thorugh a cut and paste job). Other people tried to fix your mistake but you seem to not want it done. Here is what should (and likely will) happen: the two articles will be merged (including edit histories) into the current title (which is the correct title). TJ Spyke 05:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, everyone calm down. Let's just get the history merge done so we can start discussing which bits of which articles we use, and where it goes. We can't do anything while we have two lots of article history. Chris cheese whine 05:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I wont calm down 'till people start reading. And it was already merged. InvaderSora- The Irken Invader With a keyblade. 05:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

You need to take a break. We have explained to you why you are wrong and what will happen. TJ Spyke 05:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

YOU need to read. InvaderSora- The Irken Invader With a keyblade. 05:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Until InvaderSora agrees to merge both articles at this location, we can't do anything. Reviewing the newest article history, this diff shows that the old content was copied into the new article, therefore what was in the article before is the content that does not exist in the old article. There are some edits done by others (like RememberMe?) who must be moved into the old page, but nothing more. We may just copy the new additions in the old article and redirect the new one to the old one. -- ReyBrujo 05:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
We have InvaderSora's agreement, and have done ever since they clicked the "Save page" button and licensed their contributions under the GFDL. As I understand it, this agreement cannot be revoked. Ever. Chris cheese whine 05:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I am not talking about his contributions, but his opinion about the correct name and the procedure to execute. Remember, we don't only try to do the right things, but also to agree in consensus and to educate if necessary. It is of little use to do something if the user does not understand why that happened, or when there is a probability of having to handle a similar situation in the near future. -- ReyBrujo 05:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The name is irrelevant, since the histories need to be merged before the page can be moved. The procedure is well-defined, and there clearly has been some effort to educate on this page. This is the point where we consider our duty to fellow editors fulfilled, and our duty to readers at hand. Chris cheese whine 05:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
it's true we should give everybody their say before making a major change, but surely invadersora's points are negated by breaking various wikipedia policies (Wikipedia:Ownership_of_articles, Wikipedia:Civility, Wikipedia:Profanity)? then again, we're all uncivil now and then. Djchallis 16:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I say just put it to a vote as to what the title should be and just leave it that way for now. --76.199.4.41 22:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
What vote? There is no doubt, the name of the game is "Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games". The press releases from Nintendo and Sega both confirm this. TJ Spyke 22:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protection tag

My time is up, so I will add the protection tag to both articles to let casual readers know the articles are locked. Note that this article will be visited very often in the next few days, so we need to solve this issue as fast as possible. We don't want new contributors to leave because of the current conflict. -- ReyBrujo 05:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History merge

I have merged the histories of the two articles to Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games as that title did not include a full stop at the end (per WP:MOS). Please continue to discuss the best title for the page and move it to a new location if needed. WjBscribe 18:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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