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[edit] Illustrated Manson image

Image:Mmanson1.jpg

.. wow to whoever made that... simply brilliant.

I think it was a guy named Jim McDermott.

[edit] High School

Umm...Marilyn Manson did not graduate from GlenOak High. I am from Ft. Lauderdale and know that he went to Cardinal Gibbons High.

No, I'm pretty sure he DID go to GlenOak, according to VH1 Driven, and other sources -Meomega15 23:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vietnam

How could he have served in Vietnam if he was born in 69?

  • He didn't. His father did, serving as one of those (I guess in helicopters) spreadning agent orange. --Julien 13:56, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

This article has a lot of unscholarly wording in it, though I wouldn't call it POV asuch.

An example is at the bottom of the Early Years section:

    • Little did he know this is exactly what a man named Trent Reznor would do for him on a grander scale years later.

This probably shouldn't even have been in the Early Years section. If anybody gets the point and cares about Marilyn Manson enough, please fix this article!

....... why didn't you? Yeago 04:02, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure it was an interview with Trent Reznor that put Marilyn Manson on the path of rock stardom ("Career Musician" section). I swear I remember an interview I read once with the editor of the magazine/journal (whatever) that Marilyn Manson 'worked' (I think it was volunteer work), where the editor talks about sending Manson to interview Thrill Kill Kult and Manson returning visibly... affected. If i recall correctly it is then that Marilyn Manson got the band Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids together... does this sound familiar to anyone else? Naufana 21:23, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

Sounds familiar to me. heavensblade23 23:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Did he really play the triangle in high school, or is that just a joke? Everyking 01:50, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'd be interested to see the source for a lot of the information in this article. And is it just me, or does the author almost sound like he's trying to defend Marylin Manson?

- Definitely reads like a Hagiography to me...--81.135.215.79 21:39, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Triangle

Yes, Manson did play triangle in band. Read his autobiography "The Long Hard Road Out of Hell". Much of this article gets its sources from that book.


-Please Consider-

Manson himself has stated that "Long hard road" is not a valid source of historically accurate information

the way I understand it, the book was written by his persona, and was at least partly sensationalized and embellished. IF you want to include information and consider it accurate, you shouldn't take it from that book. It's like a 200pg MM ad. Something he wrote to reinforce the persona.. not reality.‡ 68.148.73.226 18:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fixed Minor Typo

Fixed Minor Typo that prevented correct linking to related article.

Changed The Heart Is Deceitful aBove All Things to The Heart Is Deceitful Above All Things

[edit] Incomplete

Imo, there should be much more about the controversy around him and his on these matters. For example, why some people accused him of being largely responsible for the Columbine killings, what was his defence against that and last but not least what the interview by Michael Moore in Bowling for Columbine did for him. Considering my mediocre English and the current strict Site-your-sources and no-original-research policies I don't dare to add it, but I am sure someone else can. Caesarion 10:41, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Funny thing is, in the film (and many other places) they say that the Columbine killers listened to Marilyn Manson, but in reality, they did not. Anyways, there is a clip of the Marilyn Manson interview on the Bowling for Columbine website. 69.236.72.116 07:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ribs

Is it true that Manson has had lower ribs removed for purposes of Autofellatio? 82.38.78.129 17:22, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Nope. In his autobio he said something like "If I could suck my own dick, I wouldn't bother making music, I wouldn't even leave the house." --BadSeed 17:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

If you read the autobio again you will find that the wonderyears comment was taken directly from it. There is another quote relating to him not making music but it is in amongst the text rather than quotes.

LOL @ "If I could suck my own dick, I wouldn't bother making music, I wouldn't even leave the house." Manson's a funny guy. To answer the question, he has denied many, many times that he removed his ribs so he could give himself head. Street walker 14:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

that aint true that just bull shit --Big420justin 14:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)justin

Even if you had ribs removed, it wouldnt make a difference. The spine can only flex a certain amount, you'd have to be one of these people that can fit in glass boxes to give yourself head.

Not true. It can be achieved by someone that's tall enough and "long" enough [if you catch my drift] if they stretch for a few weeks prior to attempting it. Lost Lullabies X 10:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Better picture

Would it not make a lot more sense to have a picture of the person and not his costume/makeup?

What would be even better would be would be two pictures, like a comparison.--Jimmyjrg 02:53, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

  • I have found some pictures of Manson with no or little makeup on. Unfortunately, I don't know the copyright status of these images. If someone could help out, that would be great. Here are the images I found:

Street walker 14:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

The mugshot picture is atrocious. Think of any other celebrities who have a mugshot as the first thing on their wiki? didn't think so. PLEASE choose something else 70.71.162.88 07:37, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Guys, seriously. Who Gives a damn? If this picture wasn't published in Manson's own Autobiography I may agree, but the guy obviously thinks the attention is positive and and relevant (actually, it was another mug shot but let's not pick our noses). Why does everyone get so hot and bothered about the picture in this article? It changes about every week, anyway.Yeago 15:54, 24 June 2006 (UTC)!!!!!

[edit] homosexual encounter with Danny Lohner

The external reference didn't contain anything about it (not that particular page, anyway) and I'm very skeptical? Anybody know anything about this? -VJ 06:04, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed it until somebody produces any evidence. -VJ 23:26, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
The external reference said:


" Is it true that he blew the guitarist for Nine Inch Nails?

"It happened. I didn't plan it out. It just happened. We ended up laughing about it later. Everybody seems so taken back by it. My parents were there. They weren't even shocked about it, so I don't know why anyone else is. Ever since then, people have been questioning my sexuality. Am I gay, straight, bi-sexual? To ask me that is to be ignorant to what Marilyn Manson stands for. Marilyn Manson transcends morality, and sexuality. He's a gray area. I don't like putting a label on anything. Yet surely Mr. Manson can objectively understand how his actions on stage could shock some people. Yes, I see where they would be taken back. People's real fears start to come out when you do something like that. A lot of macho guys started calling me 'faggot,' wanted to start a fight with me. Why would they want to _fight_ me 'cause I did that? Obviously, it scared them. I'm confident enough with my sexuality where I can do something like that. Anyone who knows me knows I like girls." "

Zythe 01:18, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain that it was Robin Finck and not Lohner. Also, a bootleg video exists or used to exist of this incident. It only lasted a second or two. heavensblade23 23:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it was with Finck.

[edit] friendship with Reznor

The page has that their friendship is now defunct, as I thought it was 5 years ago. I'm pretty sure they settled things a while ago with MM being in the Starfuckers video and appearing on stage at a NIN concert. I'm not an expert on this at all, but I think that part is a bit dated.

No it's not. That whole thing with trent and brian "making up" and appearing in concert together was a publicity stunt (why do you think it was filmed?). I don't know either of them personally, but i know that they're both different people now than they both were 12 years ago, so i doubt they'd have much to talk about if they ever did decide to get together. Besides who cares if they're friends or not? I don't see how that effects the music in any way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.43.214.196 (talk) 01:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Political Affiliation

Manson is a member of the US Republican Party. I think that fact is of enough notability to be added to this article. ---Wikikrieg---

This needs a source before it's added. I've been a fan for 11 years and I doubt the validity of this information.heavensblade23 23:34, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Manson has no political affiliation. Darkahn 15:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] We're A Happy Family

What about the contribution he made to We're A Happy Family: A Tribute To The Ramones? He covered "The KKK Took My Baby Away."

                            ---Wikikrieg---


[edit] Manson's inclusion into "American Writers"

Personally I think we should hold off on this inclusion.

The book he claims to have written never surfaced and at the time I recall there were a number of questionable facts.

Firstly, the chapter he released online was not only very brief, but needed to be copyedited desperately as it was full of errors.

Also, he claims that the book was put on stall over some publisher war. Well, maybe these things just get kept under wraps but I don't recall anything more specific than that.

While I've always been intrigued by Manson, the book thing always seemed a bit shady to me. It was a nice idea to accompany an album with a novel, but its been 6 years. What could hold a book up that long? Even if it does exist in entirety, could it still even be published given the fact themes like Columbine are, well, dated?

I ask these questions not just to sink this category on this article, but I'm really quite curious if anyone else had any thoughts like this or some relevant information about the book's status.

Yeago 02:23, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

That's great, except that wasn't his only book. He has an autobiography he released a few years ago, with help from a ghost writer. Ergo, he's still an american writer. Dead 03:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeap. I suppose you're technically right. It wasn't a book, however, it was a press package. =)Yeago 14:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't aware they sold press packages at Amazon? Dead 00:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I've heard claims that pivotal parts of it are fictionalized. I'm not interested in YAIS (yet another internet spar). The abortion, the meat dressed def girl, the grandfather. Yeago 02:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Meat dressed girl is 100% true, though her name was changed. She was interviewed in a video documentary on the band. heavensblade23 23:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] clone high

reference removed by user:65.88.159.198. I don't know why.User:Dlohcierekim | User_talk:Dlohcierekim 02:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Going back to an issue that was discussed before, I really don't think it is appropriate to have his mugshot be the main picture. Showing him as he looks without makeup does not stay faithful to the essence of who Marilyn Manson, as he is seen in the eye of the public, is, and I feel that this is misleading. In my opinion, showing him without makeup is akin to having the title of this article be "Brian Warner." Does anyone else have thoughts on this? --DanyaRomulus 01:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Kind of a pointless discussion as the picture cycles regularly. As for your logic, its a picture Manson saw fit to include in his autobio, so, like, yeah.... dunno man wtvr.Yeago 01:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
It's not that I don't think the picture has any merit at all, it's just that I don't think it should be the primary art on this page. The one we had before, with him praying and the white background, I thought was much more appropriate. --DanyaRomulus 05:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Its really quite subjective, I suppose. I think its kinda neat. But, like I said, the thing changes every week.Yeago 14:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
And so now we have a drawing of him, and not a real picture? That's really "objective". 2_of_8 17:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Sure, but pictures are made by photographers, so, I suppose according to your logic we can't really have anything that wasn't taken by a geiger-counter-driven random picture taker.Yeago 17:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] College

It's reported a lot that Marilyn was a "college journalist" before starting his band. Does anyone know where exactly he was going? --DanyaRomulus 20:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

broward community college, I'd imagine.Yeago 21:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
That's what I thought too, but I'm struggling to find any sources right now. --DanyaRomulus 00:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
the autobio?Yeago 04:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] request for info on surgical enhancment

There are rumors of mensson beign surgically altered, are they true? if so what has been done ? --Procrastinating@talk2me 09:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

If you're talking about the supposed 'missing rib' so he can suck himself, it's just an urban rumor. Dead 22:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
See his autobiography in which he admits to ear and nose surgeory, among other things.Yeago 22:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request a move

Could we move Marilyn Manson (person) to Marilyn Manson (singer)? I think it's better using "singer". CG 10:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

He's not just a singer though, he's also a director, author and actor. Plus, person differentiates this article from Marilyn Manson (band) than singer would. Dead 11:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
is there some new MM on the scene? what's the issue?Yeago 20:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

And painter/sculptor. Maybe Mariyn Manson (Artist) ? 68.148.73.226 18:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Off Jill

To gain more notoriety Manson single-handedly orchestrated an open mic poetry night at a South Florida club called Squeeze, which ended up being in his words, "The Goth Gong Show". Squeeze would later become his headquarters and home away from home, and where he would meet long time friend and confidant Jessicka (Jack Off Jill, Scarling.); he convinced her to start a riot grrl band, which he later dubbed Jack Off Jill. The two at the time were said to be inseparable, though Manson would later label her a groupie in his autobiography "The Long Hard Road Out Of Hell". Jack Off Jill went on to open most of his shows in South Florida. He produced many of the band's early recordings and on December 27, 1994 he and surname-free Jessicka were arrested during what police describe as "an undercover adult entertainment investigation." Both singers spent the night in jail in Jacksonville, Florida. The record indicates that, after several court appearances, both paid a $100 fine. Manson, however, wrote that charges were dropped due to lack of evidence. Jack Off Jill would again reunite with Manson as support on March 14, 1999, after being asked to take select remaining opening slots, after the depature of Hole from the co-headlining tour.

Above narrative of antics does not belong in the "Personal Life" section. Firstly, that these two were "inseperable" is uncomfirmed both by sources or by the bleak personal content of this paragraph. While I don't doubt that every word of it could be true, it stands apart from the other items in having nothing to do with Manson, personally. I'm guessing this is a fan editorial. At best it is the most notable thing that ever became of Jack Off Jill. Put it there.

Yeago 22:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mugshot

A second thought. I think the mugshot should only be included if we have a section illustrating the sexual misconduct lawsuit it applies to. Otherwise, well, its technically NPOV but short of that, its just incomplete. Esp considering he was acquitted.

Could someone please do a writeup? Yeago 14:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll plan take it up next week, if no one does it before then. -- JHunterJ 14:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Write-up done. I haven't retrieved the mugshot to place it in the section though. -- JHunterJ 18:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Feud with the Smiths

He does state that bit about anyone touching a smith's album=homosexual, but it is hardly a tidbit demanding its own section, or noteworthy at all among the many other such tidbits..Yeago 04:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

It's also a "joke" and not a feud. The Smiths broke up in 1987, Spooky Kids formed two years later, so... Chris Stangl 05:21, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Change of Image

I think we should change this picture. It does not show how he really looks! He looks like a flippin' girl!MCRGIRL 16:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The previous picture was a mugshot. The picture here does change often, it's a matter of finding a free (preferably) or fair use one to change it to... -- JHunterJ 21:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Drugs

Does Manson use drugs? If so, should we include it in the article?

He does, of all kinds. He has an interview in High Times where he speaks at length about it, and Mechanical Animals-era interviews are often filled with drug anecdotes. He's been a huge advocate of drugs, in my opinion.Yeago 16:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Why hasn't Manson been busted for using drugs?

If he freely admits to using drugs, why haven't the authorities done anything about it? Because he's smart about it. You can admit anything you want, but that doesn't mean that they can come after you. They need to have reasons to believe he has them in his possesion.


Well, two possibilities: A. He lives in America. or, B. He's lying his ass off.

Either is plausible. Darkahn 15:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

How about he's a rather well off celebrity. Since when do celebrities get in trouble? Shit look how many times Gallagher admitts during shows that he smokes. A guy on one of his videos actually HAD a blunt.

Why is it anybodies business but his own what he does in his free time? For the record though, he doesn't like to smoke pot and he does like to drink absinthe. He used to do lots of coke, but he quit that (IIRC) and he took acid once or twice when he was younger (and by younger i mean in his twenties). But i don't see how that's anybodies business but his.65.43.214.196 01:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

He is mentioned in the Ketamine wiki article. He apparently accidentally used Special K, thinking it was coke, and made a song about the experience called "Disassociative". Not only that, but he mentioned it when on a radio show, after asked when the last time he got high was, he replied something along the lines of, "Just recently. Ketamine." Sorry about being vague and such, I just so happen to be under the effects of lower-level opiates at the moment. 4.234.51.173 06:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Just found the reference I was talking about. Here it is. Rock singer Marilyn Manson claims that the experience that resulted from his accidental use of Ketamine (which he mistook for cocaine) inspired the appropriately titled song, 'Disassociative' (from his Mechanical Animals album). Also on a television interview on the Howard Stern show he was asked when was the last time he got high to which he replied "just recently, Ketamine". There were teenage fans there asking him if he wanted to go smoke pot with them after the show. 4.234.51.173 06:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

His height, 6'3", is mentioned briefly by Marilyn Manson in his autobiographical work, The Long Hard Road Out Of Hell, as well as by him in interviews, wherein he usually credits his height to an abnormality caused at birth by his father Hugh's exposure to Agent Orange during the Vietnam War.

What's abnormal about a height of 6'3"? ComaVN 09:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Nothing. =). Manson likes to connect everything to some weird tale in his past. Most of it is phony--this one is contrived.Yeago 22:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

There was an edit concerning Manson posing for Honcho. The photos did appear in the magazine to the best of my knowledge but were not shot for the magazine. There was also another, heterosexual pornographic magazine that Manson really DID do a shoot for around 1995. I forget the name of the magazine. heavensblade23 00:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Early Life

That photo in the "Eary Life" section shows Marilyn Manson's cover of The Beautiful People single. Shouldn't there be a childhood photo or something? I did find a picture of him at age 9. -- WereWolf 17:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

A free photo? -- JHunterJ 17:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I think so, yeah. WereWolf 18:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abelcain

I removed the listing for Abelcain from the filmography list. Manson was attached to this film in 2002, but since then the project has stalled out completely. There hasn't been any recent information to verify that Manson is still attached to the project, or that the project exists at all, so putting an entry in Manson's filmography seems overly-optimistic at best. I also removed the unverifiable (and unbelieveable) claim that Manson was an extra in Napoleon Dynamite. - Rynne 05:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citations Needed

It's almost unbelievable how many citations needed tags are on this page. Wikipedia isn't some gossip magazine. If some crazy thing can't be backed up, it should be deleted until there's an actual source for it. I'll come check back here next week or so. Banaticus 10:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a source for rumors -- it is neither the Weekly World News nor the National Enquirer. Opinions and rumors should be backed up by some 3rd party -- innuendo has no real place here. Banaticus 02:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I got rid of all the stuff with citation needed tags. Did he edit this himself?--Dragonfly (60) 05:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Most of this info seems right, it's just most of it's from his autobiography, and I doubt anyone is gonna go though it to check the page number or whatever.

[edit] Discography

If this article is on the person and not his band, why is the discography included on this page? --Ekaiyu 07:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

It's possibly relevant as Marilyn Manson the person was the lead singer (? musician) for those recordings, so it's like George Harrison having a personal discography (which includes his time with the Beatles) and The Beatles also having a discography. In this case, though, the two discographies seem to be the same. Does Marilyn Manson the person do solo work or is everything done with his band? Banaticus 09:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

He has worked on many things seperatly from the band (mainly soundtracks) but never a solo album, though as he has complete creative control over the band, they'd could be seen as solo albums if you want to get technical.

[edit] Picture

Why isn't there a picture at the top anymore, there was one there a few months back, were'd it go? --Jimmyjrg 00:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Section headers

Too many, and poorly arranged - for example, "Marriage" (2004), is a subsection of "early life".

"In May 2002 Twiggy Ramirez (real name Jeordie White) left the band, citing differences in perspective on the future of the band." What band? Who the hell is Twiggy Ramirez? Remember the lead is seperate, a summary; you haven't told us he formed a band and we haven't been introduced to Twiggy Ramirez either. Looks to me like you're trying to deal with themes inside chronological sections and not really pulling it off.

I'm not entirely sure how you're gonna organise the material here but clearly something needs to be done. Maybe you could get some ideas from Bill Drummond, which is a similar article in that the guy has fame resulting mostly from one band, but also has artistic and other interests. That one is structured:

  • Background (pre fame)
  • Career
    • 70s indie/post-punk
    • 80s solo/A&R
    • The KLF
    • K Foundation
    • to date
  • Reviews, accolades and criticism
  • Discography/artistic output

I suppose this article might take a form something like:

  • Background or Background and personal life
  • Music Career (or, simple chronology of his post-fame life)
    • Phase 1
    • Phase 2
  • Other work (TV, art) (not needed if doing chronologically)
  • Reviews, criticism, influence
    • Perhaps his disputes with other famous people could have a section here?
  • The info in "Lawsuits" should be slotted into Personal life or Career History I think
  • Trivia should be worked into the text or zapped
  • Some trivial stuff should be zapped from the main text or given some context to show why it's important.

Really I don't know enough about Manson to suggest a really good layout; you might want to start simply by removing most of the subsection headers? --kingboyk 08:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Singer or Person

I thought it was agreed to not change the aricles name from Marilyn Manson (person) to Marilyn Manson (singer) as he is more than a singer and so person makes more sense.--Jimmyjrg 06:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

That's why it says person, dumbass.--Wokid € 08:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It actually says musician. 4.234.51.173 07:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Satanism

I would like a source for the allegation that he is "not a practicing Satanist", as from interviews and numerous other speakings, he has revealed that he follows that 'philosophy'; post-Columbine, he was much less inclined to speak about it, and he only -hinted- at it on his interview with Faux News' Bill o' Reily. Also, as someone who frequently discusses with members and priests within the Church of Satan, Marilyn Manson is rarely a topic that comes up - however, I have never once heard him referred to as a non-practicing Satanist; just not active in the Church of Satan. Let it be clear that the Church of Satan itself states that you do not need to be a member to be a Satanist; Marilyn Manson's 'title' might have been totally honorary.

His way of heeding Satanism is criticized by many, such as Magister Svengali, but that certainly doesn't mean he isn't a "practicing Satanist". Maybe a very POOR Satanist, but I have not once heard him rebuke Satanism, and a majority of his lyrics have Satanic imagery (not pseudo-Satanic Deicide kind of garbage) which, although hard to detect, also calls into question the allegation that he is not a practicing Satanist. Of course, I am willing to accept that he merely frequented with Anton LaVey as Alice Cooper did earlier in some form of 'shock value', though I've yet to see any real evidence of this.

Nearly everything that I have ever Marilyn Manson say, with the exception of his drug-use (something Anton LaVey himself knew and supposedly overlooked), has fallen in line with the philosophy of Satanism. I will keep an eye on this discussion topic, and unless a source is given rather than speculation, I will remove the allegation. Darkahn 14:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Since when did Manson's "Satanic imagery" supercede even that of Deicide's? There's got to be a reason Manson is frowned upon by black metal adherents.

Sort of on this topic, in the first paragraph it states that he uses it to 'augment'...huh, I went back to the article and it was changed within those few seconds it took me to get here. Still, I'm not sure if we should say it has given him commercial success, maybe attention, but I'm not sure about success. 66.53.78.161 22:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

It was Manson's controversy that gained him the publicity which resulted in his success. The controversy was caused by various factors; his ties with COS was a key one, therefore it augments his controversial impact. As with Alice Cooper etc. before him, it's the controversy that rakes in the dosh.

Found this http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Marilyn_Manson. Read, and see what you guys think.

Manson damn near quotes LaVey in some of his songs. Example? Get Your Gunn, he makes reference of the esteemed "Good Guy Badge" which LaVey devoted much writing to. See the Devil's Notebook.

As a Satanist, I can say (with a clear head) that Deicide is sure as Hell (no pun intended) not Satanic, despite what black metal subculture brainwashed youth seem to think. Deicide is "anti-Christian", and there is not a single Satanic message in their music (not even in their song 'Homage to Satan') - only anti-Christian. To avoid any potential misunderstanding, I suggest reading on Satanism (including from Wikipedia, if the article has not currently been vandalised) or from www.churchofsatan.com. Whereas, as the unsigned commend states above, Marilyn Manson practically quotes Anton LaVey -- the founder of Satanism -- word for word from his writings.Darkahn 17:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I have researched the Church of Satan before, and as far as I'm concerned it is religiously-recycled existentialism. Satan only seems to be present for shock value. Although there may have been no satanist sects predating COS, that does not dismiss the possibility that there were devil-worshippers around.

Of course there were devil-worshippers around -- there was not, contrary to what reverse-Christians try to claim, an actual religion or anything of similar called Satanism prior to Anton LaVey.Darkahn 17:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some odd things

In the filmography it's stated that Manson was in the 2006 film Stranger than Fiction. I just was that film & didn't spot him. So I checked the imdb & still nothing. Just wondering where that came from? Additionally, it's stated that Manson guest starred in a Family Guy episode. A parody of Manson did appear in Saving Private Brian but I do not believe he played himself. I didn't want to correct either pieces of information as I'm not entirely sure, but maybe sources could be provided?

well i deleted the thing about family guy, cuz yeah they had a marilyn manson character on the show, but the character was voiced by seth mcfarlane (SP?) so it doesn't really count as manson's "film/TV work".65.43.214.196 01:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Gonna delete the Strange than Fiction entry as well. I didn't see him in the movie and can't find anything on the net about it, either. Maybe someone was hopeful. --MadameArsenic 15:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2 questions that I have that go unanswered in the article

What happened to his eye(s)? Did he have breast implants? Why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.70.29.194 (talk) 00:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Contact lenses + body suit.

Sigh...so many of these...Is it really so hard to believe he wears a contact and had a bodysuit on? Narcotics faerie 17:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alteration

Did anyone notice that someone has been messing with the page? "Marilyn Manson was born on Neptune.He attended Heritage DuSchool,ender's shadow is a good book. Read it now or i will rip out your liver and eat it. Thank you." I suggest that we fix this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by James:The Four Faced (talk • contribs) 17:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC).


Someone messed with the page again. "How to Make Love Like a Corn Starch: A Cautionary Tale" James:The Four Faced 22:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Change in Title

Why was it changed to "Musician"? He is much more than a musician... Like other people have brought up before. I suggest that we change it back to "Person". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by James:The Four Faced (talk • contribs) 20:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC).


I agree. Darkahn 20:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Marilyn Manson is not a person. It is a persona. A Pop-culture character. I mean seriously, you're trying to build a factual database of information on a fictional character. Is there a Persona tag? or fictional character maybe? 68.148.73.226 18:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

So I'm assuming that you would say the same thing about David Bowie or anyone else who does not use their "real" name. Either way the persona(Marilyn Manson) is more than a musician... so I still suggest a change to person... after all he calls himself Marilyn Manson. How about we agree that it is a "nickname". James:The Four Faced 05:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Affiliations Section

I removed the affiliations section because it was conflicting with the list of Satanists (which says that he is an honorary member)

[edit] Health & Welfare

This page says Manson died yesterday and it's still up. You people fucking suck.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.145.18.192 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

That particular piece of misinformation was deleted hours before your comment. If you're still seeing it, reload the page and/or clear your cache. Additionally, please do not place new comments at the top of the page. If not responding to an existing comment, add your own header, as I've done. Thanks! Salamurai 06:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move request

There is a move request ongoing at Talk:Marilyn Manson (band)#Requested move. I had suggested that move to get rid of the Marilyn Manson redirect but the consensus so far is to move this article to Marilyn Manson instead. Folks following this article may want to weigh in on that alternate suggestion since I'm suggesting the closing admin go ahead and carry out that move if consensus continues that way. —Wknight94 (talk) 12:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Support. The person is the primary usage, not the band. -- SigPig |SEND - OVER 03:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. Vegaswikian 00:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who is Sandefur?

In the Marriage section, we're hearing about Dita Von Teese and then all of a sudden we see "...Sandefur's filing for divorce..." and "Sandefur reportedly took their two cats..." Anybody know who Sandefur is? Is it a nickname or something for Dita Von Teese?
   --Jlaramee 20:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bias in the introduction

I was taken quite agast by the overwhelming bias of the introductory paragraph to this article, and I would like to propose the removal of two sentences, namely "Manson bears the honorary title of "Reverend" in Anton LaVey's Church of Satan, though how closely he follows the dogma is questionable. Nonetheless, the controversy this affiliation augmented has garnered him publicity which has arguably contributed to his commercial success." Through its array of weasel words, what these sentences convey is: "Manson is beyond all doubt a satanist." This is quite simply not true--while some have made unfounded claims that he is a satanist, they are nothing more than silly rumors, and Manson has stated time and time again that he is not a satanist, that he does not prescribe to the Church of Satan, and that the title of Reverend was bestowed upon him as a joke.

In a 1997 WLOX interview, Manson stated, if I may paraphrase, that he is not a "devil-worshiper". He further renouces his belief in both a god and a devil and states that, if he does not believe in a devil, he cannot possibly worship it--his ideology can only be classified as atheism. This is also not the only time in which he has outright stated his beliefs, and, in no interview or publication, has he ever stated that he was a satanist. There has also never been any evidence or any serious argument presented to the contrary; as such, I don't believe his alleged satanism can be denoted as "questionable," but rather the answer to the question of whether he's a satanist is quite resoundingly no.

I also can't help but notice that nowhere in the article is Manson's alleged satanism or his title as Reverend of the Anton LaVey's church discussed other than in the introductory paragraph. If the article is not going to address these points at all, then why are they in the introductory paragraph?

If no one objects to the removal of these highly biased and unfounded assertions within the next few days, I intend to remove them. AmiDaniel (talk) 07:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, I can only assume you know absolutely nothing about Satanism. We are not devil-worshippers, we are atheists -- so Manson's statement was right on the money of what a Satanist, atleast in the true and LaVeyan sense of the word, would say. King Diamond has often denied he is a Satanist, then admitting, then denying again, despite being a card-carrying member of the Church of Satan. We do not believe in God or the Devil. I was the one whom stated how closely he follows Satanism is questionable, because of his illegal drug use; Satanism is against illegal activities, and any form of self-harm or addiction. The only devil-worshippers are the morons who label themselves "theistic satanists", despite the fact that their religion is quite new compared to so-called LaVeyan Satanism (the FIRST real religion to take up such a name, until the advent of the internet allowed the virtually online religion of "theistic satanism" to take hold). Manson ascribes to LaVeyan Satanism.

1. The song "Get your Gunn" practically quotes several of Anton LaVey's essays. (See: The Devil's Notebook.)

2. There is a picture of Anton meeting with Manson, though I won't upload it here for copyright reasons.

3. The Church of Satan has said repeatedly that Manson is a member and was bestowed the title in an honorary fashion by the late Anton LaVey. He still holds this title, despite his mostly inactivity.

4. Contrary to what people seem to think that Manson says in the Bill o' Reilly interview, it was not bestowed as a joke. Infact, he makes it very clear: "No, not necessarily. [not a minister, which is true] That was earlier ... it was a friend of mine, who's now dead, who was a philosopher [Anton LaVey] I thought I learned alot from, and that was a title that I was given, so alot of people made alot out of it. It's not a real job, I didn't get paid for it." This statement of his, and refusal to even mention Anton's name, garnered him a bit of dislike in the Church. He has not kept an active membership, but he has not "closed" it, either.

5. Nearly everything Manson has stated falls in line with the core belief system of Satanism, with the exception of his glamorization of illegal drugs. Satanists, especially one of Manson's calliber, do not blurt out their religion.

6. Marilyn Manson wrote a foreword to LaVey's book, Satan Speaks!.

7. This Christian exposè, while incorrect in its refference to the Church of Satan as the "First Church of Satan", an entirely different organization, is roughly 97% correct, if you're willing to look past the fundamentalist nonsense.

8. As such, and because Manson does not use his belief system as a real "identity", I have placed it in the trivia section. Darkahn 17:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I do not see how LaVeyan Satanism could be denoted as "true Satanism". LaVeyan Satanism is a New Age fad begun in the 1960's, whereas what I would define as "true Satanism," that is the popularly held conception (be it misconception or not) of Satanism is diabolatry, which predates Christianity. This is, however, admitedly not my area of expertise. In any case, as I stated above, his subcribing to LaVeyan Satanism (for which there may well be more evidence than I originally had thought) is certainly worthy of mention, just not in the first paragraph. In any case, his participation or lack thereof in this church plays a very minor role in his career and his life, though it has gained him notice in the media. AmiDaniel (talk) 18:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tense errors

While reading this article I came across several places where it said something to the liking of "Marilyn Manson was the leadsinger" so I would like to suggest that a person speaking English natively do read this article focusing on the tense. A more specific example of the wrong tense (I believe it should be "is" not "was"):

His music is frequently featured on the show C.S.I.. The character on the show, Greg Sanders, is a big fan of Manson and the actor who plays him, Eric Szmanda was a personal friend of Manson. XezzeX 22:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] genre

isnt it called "shock rock"?· Lygophile has spoken 05:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] drugs

Manson doesn't use drugs!!! His band only promotes drugs...they don't use it! john 5, he used drugs but was therefor kickt out!!!....So...manson doesnt use drugs and by the way...he's to cool to use it!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.66.200.83 (talk) 19:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

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