Talk:Marie of France, Countess of Champagne

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This article should be moved under Marie of France, since she was not born a Champagne, only became it by marriage. Check the Wiki naning conventions. 62.78.106.199 16:49, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Marie de France

Of course, this is a debatable issue, since so little is known of Marie de France, the poet. However, I have seen some literature which identifies her as Eleanor's daughter, = this countess Mary. Besides, the countess factually was "Marie de France". Marie Capet is apparently an artificial naming. Some sources are making a temptative identification, some are direct in their allegation. 62.78.106.213 16:05, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Seems unlikely to me. The poetess Marie de France wrote in Norman-French, the language of the English court, not the langue d'oil of continental France. Secondly, the last record of Marie de France is from 1215, while Marie of Champagne died in 1198. Marie of Champagne spent her life in Champagne and Blois, not in England or Normandy. Another identification I've seen is Marie, Abbess of Shaftsbury, the illegitimate half-sister of Henry II of England. Missi 00:29, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)