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[edit] ITF Titles

The article is already long, therefore, there is no need to refer to her ITF record. In addition, if listing her ITF titles, her junior career should also be included?

Many Wikipedia biographies of female professional tennis players list their ITF titles. An ITF title is hardly the equivalent of a junior title. Tennis expert 11:27, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tour Championship/Tier 1 Singles Titles

I've deleted the separate headinga for Tour Championship and Tier 1 singles titles, looking at other female players' Wiki entries these are not listed individually from their other singles titles. IMO, only Grand Slams have the prestige to be listed separately.

[edit] Weight

Is the weight right? It is way off in comparison to the WTA profile. http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/players/playerprofiles/PlayerBio.asp?PlayerID=310137

She obviously weighs much more than 130.

[edit] Deletion of Quotes section

The quote "She is ugly. Like a witch on the court." attributed to Roger Federer is clearly someone's malicious attempt to post negative and biased comments against Maria Sharapova and would also be defamatory to Federer. In fact, there has been a history of quotes inserted by various abusers of Wikipedia which are falsely attributed either to Sharapova or to other players.

The quotes "Will you marry me, Roger?" - Andy Roddick and "I love you Maria!" - Anonymous also appear rather childish and trivial.

To this end, the Quotes section was simply deleted as it lends itself to far too much abuse.

[edit] Deletion of Roddick Quote in Quotes section

The quote ("It was great going out with her. I had to keep blinking as I couldn't believe I was actually going out with Maria Sharapova."- Andy Roddick ) was deleted as both Maria and Andy have repeatedly denied any rumours of a relationship. If Roddick did say this, then a proper citation is needed, and also the proper context of how and why it was said needs to be shown (eg whether it was said on a proper date, or if he said it when they were out with a group of friends or at one of these events where they were together). Otherwise, to those not as discerning, this would simply fuel unsubstantiated rumours which Maria herself has denied.

[edit] Use of Indian Wells 2005 Photo in photos section

The photo of Maria at Indian Wells 2005 seems not only outdated but rather biased against her. The 2005 tournament was the one where she lost 6-0, 6-0 against Lindsay Davenport. However, she won the tournament in 2006. If there is to be a photographic representation of Maria from this or any tournament, why purposely pick the one (out of so many photographs available) which clearly shows her in the most unfavourable light? A photo from 2006 Indian Wells would be far more relevant and appropriate and should be substituted in place of the 2005 one, or at least a neutral photograph of another tournament - 23 June 2006.


I don't think this is really a problem. The point of the photo is to show Sharapova playing tennis. That would be like saying we can't show her in the Australian Open 2007, because she was mutilated in the final by Serena Williams. So? She made the final, didn't she?

Shannonbonannon 19:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

There should be a redirect from 'Maria Sjarapova' as that's the way her name is spelled in lots of countries.

[edit] Professional Model

There seems to be a lot of silly talk about whether Wiki can call Maria a professional model. Maria herself calls herself a professional model. As she won Wimbledon at the age of 17, it seems obvious she's allowed to call herself anything she wants. And Wiki should follow respectfully after. So Wiki contributors can recover from their current PR crisis.


If anyone needed info on the youngest winners bits. Here's for singles:

1. Lottie Dod      1887 @ 15 years 9 months
2. Martina Hingis  1997 @ 16 years 9 months
3. Maria Sharapova 2004 @ 17 years 2 months

Here's for all championships:

1. Martina Hingis  1996 @ 15 years 9 months (282 days)
2. Charlotte Dod   1887 @ 15 years 9 months (285 days)

And finally, Sharapova's stats here: http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/bios/profile/ws/wtas961.html

Kokiri 21:24, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC) P.S. I Is it true that only yesterday we had an article on her?

Question: Here's snippets from the first two paragraphs...

Maria Sharapova (Russian: Мария Шарапова, Maríya Sharápova), born April 19, 1987...
At a tournament in Moscow in 1992, Sharapova was spotted by Martina Navratilova, who urged her parents to get her serious coaching in the United States. The following year, she emigrated to the U.S. at the age of eight to play tennis at the Nick Bollettieri Tennis Academy.

In 1992, she was 4-5; in the following year, she would have been 5-6. She couldn't be 8 until 1995. So which is right - Was the tournament in 1994, was it three years later that she moved to Florida, or was she age six? If she emigrated one year after the 1992 tournament, she could only be six years old at the oldest. --Golbez 15:50, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of 203.121.198.71's contribution ("too much detail")

I disagree with Cantus' deletion of 203.121.198.71's contribution. I thought that new info was interesting. I looked, but couldn't find any policy that said depth of article needs to be proportional to how famous the subject is. —Fleminra 07:43, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)

All right, I'll merge it. sigh. I still think it provides no real insight. --Cantus 08:40, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)
Cool, thanks.. yes it was not well integrated before. —Fleminra 16:28, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Maria's height

the official height the WTA tour has her at:

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/players/playerprofiles/playerbio.asp?PlayerID=310137

CBS & USA TV commentators speculating on her height are not official.


It's 6'2" now (August 2005): [1]

Edit, the link appears to have moved, I'll attempt to find another copy. She did herself state that she is 6'2" now.
Here we are: [2]

According to the most recent info on CBS, during this last US Open, her height is 6 feet even. Her weight--130 lbs.

I don't know which CBS broadcast you saw, but the one I saw said she was 6 foot 3 inches... --Flute138 03:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Several weeks ago, I heard a report (on TV, so I can't cite it) that she's just had a growth spurt, and has gained at least two inches in the last year. This is probably the source of the confusion on the matter. Would be nice to find a reliable, citable source for her current height/weight. -- Xtifr 12:19, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

it was mentioned a dozen times during the US Open finals, that Maria is now 6'3". I have made the edit twice, but it is constantly reverted. Can someone else confirm this?

i reverted height according to the latest data [3]. weight was blank, so i added 130 back, however, even i am not buying this, esp @ her height...The undertow 09:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I think its time for some final clarification regarding height-- the source listed by undertow that I placed into the article states that she is 6 ft 3...now, several IP addresses, and recently a newly joined wikipedian are arguing that she is 6 ft 2 in, based on sources such as the WTA tour website, which is severely outdated. Any of you guys have suggestions on how to handle this situation? I propose a vote, though it seems somewhat silly to vote whether someone is 6 foot 2 in or 6 foot 3 in. --Flute138 03:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Why not just omit the meaningless data about her height and weight? Tennis expert 05:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm surprised a tennis expert would say that. Height is an important factor in tennis. Taller players have an advantage based on net position. Do you think we should delete height data in general - as in for all athletes and anyone in general? It's like omitting age. There is a definitive answer here, but it appears that only Maria knows for sure. The undertow 08:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Folks, this becomes ridiculous. I agree that Maria is probably 6 ft 3" tall these days (see for instance discussion in the blog here [4]) but the large majority of websites give her 6 ft 2" following the "official" numbers given in the WTA tour site. It might be outdated but this is where people will most likely get the info. I propose to leave the height at 6 ft 2" pending changes on the WTA site. Otherwise Flute138 will end up spending lots of time and energy reverting edits by others (it seems that you are already doing this several times a week, aren't you?). If you are worried about accuracy, just add a date next to the height: 6 ft 2" (as of August 2005) for instance. I don't want to think about another edit war next year if she gains say half an inch! ArthurWeasley 06:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm fine with leaving it at 6 ft. 2 in, as long as there is some sort of annotation stating that the height is correct as of a certain date. As you alluded to ArthurWeasley, it's getting a bit repetitive consistently reverting, which is why I think it's important that a height be "agreed" upon. Remember, Wikipedia is a source that is commonly cited--just pop a search for Maria + Height, and you'll find several answer sites that simply quote this article. I'm just worried about wrong information being spread around. --Flute138 20:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I just want to avoid having a pointless edit war raging on Sharapova's page over an inch difference in height. I bet most of the users who are reverting the height to 6 ft 2" (or even 6 ft) do not consult the Talk page, so even if you and me and others agreed that she is taller, it won't stop the others to think otherwise until the official WTA page got updated. Better go with the flow and leave the height at 6 ft 2", citing WTA and annotate that it was as of August 2005 (info won't be wrong that way). ArthurWeasley 21:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no confirmation of Sharapova's 6'3" height and as you see next to Hantuchova she does not look it. I will keep it a 6'2" until her official wta page is changed. Just because John McEnroe says she's 6'3" does not make it true. The yalso mentioned she was 6'2" the tournament before that. The anouncers are always calling Roddick 6'3" and some websites have him at 6'3" also that blog still has Maria at 6'2" therefor she is probably 6'2" and if she is not, she is still listed as so. You can put something like "official listing:6'2"" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tough Critic (talk • contribs) .

[edit] US Open 2005

Someone recently added a section in the article titled US Open 2005. I commented it out (but it's still inside the article, just not visible) because it's not NPOV and I thought that it would be better to rewrite it as part of a general section on Sharapova's 2005 performance. Noelle De Guzman 09:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC) There is no confirmation of Sharapova's 6'3" height and as you see next to Hantuchova she does not look it. I will keep it a 6'2" until her official wta page is changed. Just because John McEnroe says she's 6'3" does not make it true. The yalso mentioned she was 6'2" the tournament before that. The anouncers are always calling Roddick 6'3" and some websites have him at 6'3" also that blog still has Maria at 6'2" therefor she is probably 6'2" and if she is not, she is still listed as so. You can put something like "official listing:6'2""

[edit] Citizenship

She came here at age 6, I did not know she didn't become a citizen yet.

Here? Where's here? Should we rename Earth the United States of Earth? (Sasquatchuk 02:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC))

"Here" most certainly means the United States by default. Sorry Sasquatch..

[edit] Photos

Should we have three pictures of Maria in this article? I should think that two would be enough. Not to mention, the third picture is under a new category named "Photos" which seems out of place considering it only has one photo in it, and this isn't a fan web site, it is a Wikipedia article. --Scotsworth 23:46, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Also a Photos section will encourage more pics to be placed on the page, and that isn't the purpose of the article. I'll remove the section and the pic from the main article. --Noelle De Guzman (talk) 06:26, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Sporting events and players should be illustrated graphically as it and they are experienced visually. I'll be restructuring the page to re-insert the removed picture and add on the side and not in a separate section. See also the International Space Station that has 25 images in my count or these other ones: Moon, Lance Armstrong, George W. Bush. --User:Akademan (talk) 1p.m., April 2nd 2006 (PDT)

I put in a photo from the 2006 Acura Classic. None of the other photographers got this shot since they were all on the wrong side. I was the only one to get her lifting up the trophy. ;) March 28, 2007

We can all pretty much agree that Maria is quite an attractive woman. And yes, I know that this is not a fansite by any means, but there most likely many people that hear of Maria and that she is attractive, and come to wiki to check it out... shouldn't we have a better photo of her for the main picture of the article? I think she deserves it. Oughgh 22:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

There is now a huge picture of Maria Sharapova which which is rather disorienting. Seems to be overcompensating a bit.

[edit] US Open 2005 section, not NPOV

I initially commented out this section because it doesn't seem to be written in a NPOV style, and it's a match report. When I commented this out, I suggested the information in it be included as part of a description of Sharapova's 2005 results. However, someone removed the <!-- -->, making the section visible in the main article. I removed the section and put it here on the Talk page so other editors can discuss how to include it in the article.

Sharapova was defeated in the semi-finals of the US Open by Kim Clijsters after a nerve-wrecking encounter that ended 2-6 in first set, followed up by 7-6 in the second (ending in a tie-break) to finally lose with 3-6 in the third. Sharapova's defeat was much due to her inconsistent serves that led to a total of seven double faults during the encounter. Nevertheless, after falling behind 0-40 in the 12th game of the second set, the Russian started uncorking winners and managed to bring the game to deuce where after she fought off two more match points to force a tiebreak. Unfortunately, she didn't have the physical endurance left to pull-off a winning game on the last set and inevitably lost the match to Clijsters for the fourth time in a row.

Please place your comments and suggestions about this section here. --Noelle De Guzman (talk) 10:20, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sence?

How many times can you type 'sence'?

And 'noncense'? That's just noncense!

Probably a dyslexic vandal. Or just a normal plain stupid one. Plebmonk 00:38, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Plebmonk, a point was being made on the accuracy of a claim, apparently all u can add is just a quip and a rude remark on someone's spelling, you would'nt do it in their face so think twice (and possibly refrain) before you type an insult, at someone who is actually doing something useful, only because you feel protected by the lack of a real and immediate confrontation. Stemel 22:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Model?

I'm not a Maria-fan but I wouldn't call her a model, in my opinion she doesn't do enough modeling to be called a model. Does she call herself a model (if so it would make sence to call her a model, if not it doesn't make any sence)? In my point of view I think the "Modeling" section should be transfered to "Trivia". Very good written article otherwise. Great job Sharapova-people! Mariah-Yulia 00:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

She does have a modeling contract with IMG, her management company. Still, that reference to "model" in the article's opening paragraph wasn't there until someone added it recently. --Noelle De Guzman (talk) 00:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank's for the info (and changing the article). I don't like it when they call her "a model who does find the time to play tennis" (as quoted from Belgium TV). And I think Wikipedia shouldn't encourage such noncense. Mariah-Yulia 02:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Sharapova herself has said that tennis is her priority, and she hasn't appeared as a model except for her spokesperson duties (and the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue). The person who most closely matches "a model who finds time to play tennis" is Anna Kournikova. ;) Thanks. --Noelle De Guzman (talk) 01:25, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Will it be better if the "Career" section be further subdivided to the tennis part and the modeling part? Because currently, that flow of that section jumps from her model looks to her tennis to her model looks again. Under the latter division, we can include her participation in magazine covers, publicities and endorsements.Joey80 08:49, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you, it's not an easy read now. Mariah-Yulia 21:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes

Seriously, some of those need checking - most specifically the ""I love cock" quote. If she had actually said that, I'm sure there would be no shortage of sites to source that from... Looks like vandalism to me. -- Greaser 21:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

It's true though, I'm not so sure about the "i take it up the batty hole" quote, if its gonna be included it needs some reliable sources. Plebmonk 00:34, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I translated and added the first three. The others were added by unknown user. --Brand спойт 15:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I put in, as a quote: "Ahhhh!!!" - at 101+ Decibels.

She really does grunt at 101+ decibels. Let's put that quote back in, it's something she is well known for, and wasn't meant as a form of vandalism. A source can be found here: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05174/526968.stm 70.64.7.224 21:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

It's been vandalised again! Plain & simple word substitution in the last version. Sciamachy 11:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

Can someone check if 66.215.244.244's edit a few minutes ago was valid? I know nothing about pronounciation guides, but the edit doesnt seem right. My apoligies if I am just wasting everybody's time. Galaxydog2000 07:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation guides not based on IPA are misleading and thus deprecated; so I've removed it per WP:MOSIPA. Ambarish 03:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Ambarish: > Pronunciation guides not based on IPA are misleading and thus deprecated This statement is incorrect. IPA is a standard (evolving standard, I must say), that doesn't mean that something not conforming it is misleading (and being misleading doesn;t mean being deprecated btw). There is not enough IPA guides for creating pronunciation of complex foreign names like Russian ones. At the same time not everyone understands what IPA notation means. Thus, I find resorting to a "classic" pronunciation guides quite reasonable.

> so I've removed it per WP:MOSIPA. Instead of doing that, Ambarish, you should have created a correct IPA pronunciation. You see - now there is no correct "international" pronunciation for Sharapova's name - the audio clip is made in Russian and by a Russian, and cannot be used directly by an English speaker.

[edit] Pronunciation revisited

This went too far and should stop once and forever ;) Answering the calls for "reliable sources" for correct (Russian) pronunciation, here is the main Russian site of Maria Sharapova: http://www.sharapova.ru/ It is in Russian, but we need exactly this. Observe a speaker icon below the words www.sharapova.ru in the top left corner of the page? Click it and you will hear how Maria says in Russian: "Welcome to sharapova.ru". Recognize the word "Sharapova" and note where the stress is. Close the discussion. Amend the main page with the correct pronunciation. Thank you. Dmitry (a native Russian speaker)

Correct me if I'm wrong please but I think we have agreed that you're right some time ago. It was decided to keep sound file in the article with Russian way of pronouncing it for reference. Am I missing something? Papushin 16:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I didn't get to the point where you agreed, it's hard to through the tons of discussion material :) Now I see. I believe the correct pronunciation (not just sound file) should be added, like it is in case of other tennis players. IPA pronunciation notation is far from a common knowledge yet, so I would prefer to have "normal" pronunciation (like the one on the WTA website, but correct :) - and of course I would like to see IPA pronunciation as well - let's ask advanced linguists among us to prepare this. Dmitry

The announcers consistently stress the third syllable, sha-ra-PO-va. Is that really right? I'd have guessed sha-RA-po-va. I know they consistently mispronounce Jelena Jankovic's first name (should be stressed on the first syllable, YELL-eh-na, not ye-LEH-na the way they say it). --Trovatore 00:50, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

The Sharapova's don't seem to correct anyone, so I would assume the announcers have it right. --Chr.K. 02:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Right way is sha-RA-pova. Check out this ogg file. Papushin 02:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how you pronounce it its still the same —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.27.35.38 (talk • contribs) 16:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

The same as what? I didn't ask whether it mattered, just how it's correctly pronounced. I'm inclined to believe Papushin (though it seems he forgot to include the link to the ogg file). --Trovatore 21:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
My mistake -- he put it on the article page rather than the talk page, which makes sense. For convenience I've copied it here: listen (help·info) --Trovatore 21:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't have a cite for this, but I saw a TV interview where Maria was asked about the pronunication, and she said something like "In Russia it is Shuh-RAH-puh-vuh, but in English Shah-ruh-POH-vuh is good..." 86.0.245.124 10:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

So we have a source that shows that the third syllable is stressed. The announcers and people in the media also stress the third syllable. On the other hand, we have a recording of some Russian guy (who is it? what's the source?) pronouncing it with the stress on the second syllable. This audio file only demostrates how it might be pronounced with the strees on the second syllable, NOT that this pronunciation is correct OR that the other one is wrong. We need a better source than this. Ufwuct 02:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

is a citation really necessary for the pronunciation of her name? The undertow 08:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Please see my above post to see why I think the answer is yes. If no source can be found, then this assertion (of the "correct" pronunciation) should just be removed. Ufwuct 03:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Hm -- I tend to agree that it's probably not WP's place to say that the horrendous "shahrahPOva" pronunciation is "wrong". Even though, let's be clear, it is.
Again, who says?
How would you feel about something like "pronounced shah-RAH-poh-vah in Russian; often rendered shah-rah-POH-vah by English-language media"? It's simply descriptive; doesn't claim anything is "wrong", and it's informative. It's not the kind of thing for which it's easy to find a citation, and I think a citation on a pronunciation is a little silly-looking. --Trovatore 07:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
If we can't find a citation of any kind (I think a source showing that another person with the last name of Sharapova pronounces it with emphasis on the 2nd syllable would work, or a source of Maria complaining about how Americans pronounce it would work, ... etc.), then I would think that no assertion is better than an unsourced assertion. If no citation can be provided for the emphasis-on-2nd-syllable version, I would be prefer deleting both pronunciations. That way, Russians and Russian speakers will pronounce it their way and American, British, ... non-Russian speakers will pronounce it the other way (though I suspect that both groups will continue to pronounce it however the ____ they please (regardless of whether a source is found)), and the text of the article, which, to read requires no out-loud pronunciation, will otherwise completely unaffected. Ufwuct 15:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

after re-reading comments, i think that removing the entire pronunciation is viable. since the only 'correct' way to pronounce the name is how maria pronounces the name, i say delete it, until we can get an audio of her saying it. (i have no idea why she would say her own last name, but hey, it's possible)The undertow 03:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

No one who speaks English will ever argue how to pronounce a name like Jefferson. Same with RUSSIAN name Sharapova - Maria was born in Russia, her parents are Russian, she has a Russian surname and any of 150 million Russians will tell you that there is only one way of pronouncing it: Sha-RA-pova. Regardless of what any announcers or TV reporters or anyone else may say. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.92.103.148 (talk) 22:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
i think that logic is flawed. the only right way is determined by the 'owner' of the name. the name 'Stein' is one example.The undertow 02:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
It is hard to explain such a simple thing. Maria is Russian, was born in Russia and there is only ONE way of saying her name in Russian - Sha-RA-pova. That's what she's been (and still is) called in Russia. That's what her parents and grandparents were called. When she moved to the US, Americans started MIS-pronouncing her name but that doesn't change her name and the only correct way of saying it. She may move to Japan and the Japananese may have yet another way of saying her name. But just because someone may start saying Jef-FER-son doesn't make it correct pronounciation. Maria accepts the way English-speaking people MIS-pronounce her surname but that doesn't mean that that pronounciation is correct. Maria is NOT the "owner" of that name. That's a common Russian name - there's even a famous book annd movie character Vladimir Sharapov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Meeting_Place_Cannot_Be_Changed) known to every single person in the Soviet Union. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.126.209.1 (talk) 12:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
i don't think the jefferson analogy sits well. while its trivial, i would not want anyone asserting that i was pronouncing my first, much less last name incorrectly. i am glad it was removed, and i really think that since the article is about maria, the reference of pronunciation would only be valid if it is how she pronounces her name. if i had my own article and my first name being Gerry - I would want the soundbite to say it as 'Jerry' and not 'Gary' regardless of how 300 million americans pronounce it. anyway, just my explanation for my position. if maria would just stop by, say her name and how tall she is, well...that may help :) The undertow 02:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


It doesn't matter if 150 million Russians would agree. We don't have a reliable source to support that claim (the pronunciation or the claim that all Russians would pronounce it that way). It doesn't matter how she pronounces it. We don't have a reliable source stating how she pronounces it (or an audio file of Maria's pronunciation). Until we have a reliable source of either kind, we are in no position to make this assertion in the article. I agree with [The undertow's position: we should just delete the pronunciation information. If anyone finds a reliable source, then readd the information, with the source. Ufwuct 15:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I think the sources thing is a little bit overdone sometimes. A source on a pronunciation looks kind of silly. This is a "common knowledge" kind of thing; anyone who knows Russian knows how to pronounce "Sharapova", in general. Common knowledge should not usually be sourced.
It's true that migrants sometimes adapt the pronunciation of their names to local tastes (Fujimori was fu-hee-mori in Peru; don't know if he still is now that he's a fugitive from justice in Japan), but I think that would be the thing that would need to be proved.
On a side note, can anyone explain to me just why this mispronunciation was ever adopted in English-speaking countries? It's not as though sha-RA-po-va is hard for an Anglophone to say. We have lots of words stressed on the antepenultimate syllable. It's a little bizarre. --Trovatore 17:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Pronunciation information is unnecessary because this is a written word encyclopedia, and not a linguistics article at that. Normally, pronunciations would not need a source if they are common knowledge. However, we have a veriable source (actually probably many sources) that show another pronunciation, but none for the supposedly correct one. Therefore, no assertion is the best course here. I have therefore removed the pronunciation. Ufwuct 18:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
You guys are discussing the funniest thing in the world from Russian speaker perspective (not only native). The name in Russian in the article is written with accents which designate the correct prononciation. So you have the source in the article itself! You just refuse to put it in the form English speaker would understand. Russian names are consistently mispronounced by English speakers (I'm tired of correcting people myself) so it's not surprise that Maria is not correcting it either. Majority of articles about Russian celebrities have proper Russian prononciation with some explanations in case alternatives are incorrectly used by foreign speakers (Khrushev is one good example). There are many foreign names consistently mispronounced in Russian as well (Demi Moore is one good example) but it doesn't make Russian way correct (although Demi Moore never corrected anyone...). Even English names are often mispronounced by English speakers without being corrected by anyone (Bears kicker Robbie Gould had his name mispronounced by announcers until last year when he became famous enough to correct someone). I have a few more examples of wikipedia articles for consitently misprounced names if anyone is interested. This is an encyclopedia and for pure purpose of letting people know correct original prononciation of the name for referential purpose the article should have correct prononciation mentioned: in form of sound reference (ogg) and possibly other forms. Having said that I'm putting the ogg file back and I'm expecting anyone deleting it to produce correct Russian prononciation by native speaker if they feel the current one is incorrect. Papushin 04:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
'the funniest thing in the world?' i don't think a native speaker need challenge others and insist on going against the general consensus. i understand that russian may be your native language. english is mine. however, there is no agreeable pronunciation of tomato, apricot, Stein, route, advertisement or harassment. i think most will agree that the 'correct' pronunciation is irrelevant unless we hear the spoken word from Maria. to assert that you expect proof from anyone 'who deletes' it goes against the burden of proof. you have no citations and the fact that you speak russian has little bearing. The undertow 12:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
My friend, I understand your concern but let me assure you there is no any doubts about "correct" pronunciation of Maria's last name in Russian. Only one exists! The reason her name is pronounced differently by anouncers it's just difficulty they have pronouncing her name correcly. And in some other cases anouncers admit it. Also I'm not challenging her "American" name. People might choose to pronounce words the way they like it. As long it is commonly understood it's acceptable from my perspective. (I don't like nucealar though :)) The sole reason the ogg is there is to give English speaker reference to original pronounciation. Again, almosty all foreign (Russian, Polish, French, etc.) celebrities (including some tennis players) have ogg files for this purpose. If you noticed I put ogg after Russian spelling of the name to emphasize it's Rusian way of pronouncing it (you don't challenge Russian spelling, do you? Or may be it should be changed as well to make it sound like American?) To counter your argument of "burden of proof" I want to re-emphasize that proof is already there! It's spelled in Russian this way. I believe the fact that I speak Russian is enough to qualify me to read it and record in audio file. If you doubt my ability to read Russian correctly, again let me reassure you I do it quite proficiently. I can find a few sources written in Russian to confirm my point with correct pronunciation but I doubt that you'll accept it as a source. Thank you. Papushin 16:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the Russian spelling should be easy to verify. All you would need is a link to a Russian online news article. This would prove that spelling. This task seems relatively easy, and I(we) would appreciate it if you could easily prove this point for us. I will not take this part out of the article now, because it seems like it will be easily verified.
However, the .ogg file makes a conclusion about pronunciation, but it does not count as a source. We DO have a source that asserts that the correct pronunciation is with the accent on the third syllable (Shar-a-PO-va), but no reliable source that asserts that the correct pronunciation is with the accent on the second syllable (Sha-RA-po-va). It requires the leap of a fluent Russian speaker to show the rest of us non-Russian speakers that this (Sha-RA-po-va) would be the correct pronunciation. Ordinarily, this would be completely acceptable (and this would be an easily settled matter), except for the lack of a solid source for "Sha-RA-po-va" AND the prescence of a reliable source that asserts "Shar-a-PO-va".
Let's say I have a Slavic last name and I'm, let's say, third generation American, and therefore have no background in any Slavic languages. I've been pronouncing my last name a certain way my whole life, and pronouncing it the same way that my father does and even grandfather does. Maybe my last name is "actually" "correctly" spelled (or accented) in a different way, which would lead to a very different pronunciation than I am used to (or maybe it's even pronounced differently without any sort of spelling modification). If I had an article written about me on Wikipedia (which I know will not happen), it would be quite absurd for native speakers of this Slavic language to assert that my name is pronounced only one "correct" way when I, the subject of the article, and the only one whose opinion matters as far is pronunciation is concerned, pronounces it a different way. This would seem to leave us with a dilemma. How do we know which pronunciation to show in this article?!?!?!? OH NO!!! But then, as I have said before, we don't have to make any assertion (as this is a written-word encyclopedia), so there is no dilemma. No assertion is better than a wrong assertion.
Because she is a public figure, I suspect this information (on how she pronounces her own name) will become available eventually, sooner rather than later, if it is not already readily available. We should either look for a source or wait until one becomes available. Until then, it is best to keep the unsourced sound file out of the article. Ufwuct 02:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I have never seen a sound file source. I'm putting it back. --Trovatore 09:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't follow your logic at all. Plus, just because other people don't source something on Wikipedia doesn't mean you or I shouldn't. I could find thousands of articles on wikipedia that are unsourced or have missing citations, but that doesn't make it right. You have also said that "this sourcing thing" can be "taken too far." Sources are required; it's very simple. It's the cornerstone of this encyclopedia. Though we have gone on a long time with this seemingly small thing, we appear to have finally found a source, thanks to Papushin's work. This is what we're supposed to do. The system works! At any rate, I will not challenge the .ogg file being readded. Ufwuct 18:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, it was a pain in the butt to find an article with correct prononciation since it's a public knowledge as somebody noticed before but I found one where Russian edition BBC reporter complains about incorrect prononciation of Russian names specifically by tennis announcers. So he specifically mentions SharapOva as incorrect. Here is the link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/sport/newsid_4630000/4630333.stm BBC standards are quite high so I believe you will consider it a good source. Papushin 04:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
okay, ill bite. considering this is the english version of her bio, can you translate your citation? i mean that in good faith. The undertow 12:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Here goes the translation. All proper accents are mine, author didn't bother provide the right ones since he also considers it a public knowledge, he just accents incorrect ones:

Ladies quaterfinals are starting on Wimbledon. Until now even infamous London weather was good to players but some of them got serious problems.

It looks like they lost their real names.

Some nations got luckier than others. E.g. English-speaking commentators have no problems pronouncing american, spanish, french, and swiss names.

Ferrero, Federer - elementary! Even French Grosjean sounds the way he supposed to.

With ladies not everything goes smooth. Clijsters - Ok, Mauresmo ... is sort of Ok. But then go Russians.

SharApova becomes SharapOva, KuznetsOva becomes KuznEtsova. Problems do not end there. MYskina becomes MyskIna, and even player with the simpliest Russian last name PetrOva becomes PEtrova.

Maybe it is just tennis? In the end of the day, there were no problems with Eltsyn. Solzhenitsyn also goes well. Putin - just ideal.

Take oligarkhs for instanse. Berezovsky - accent is in the right place, Gusinsky is also ok, Khodorkovsky - no complains. But in tennis KAfelnikov turns out to be KafElnikov.

Only Safin seems to be Ok, but until it gets to his first name... and now he becomes MArat. And now his sister somehow is SafIna.

It looks like tennis commentators think more about shots than accents (P: shot and accent are similar words in Russian). And it looks like there is no way out of it.

Even great Navratilova is still called NavratilOva by them.

THE END.

We theorized a bit in the family on why this phenomenon with Russian names occurs (considering our name is also screwed up often, although it's easier to say it correct way in English). I have a theory that changing accents makes Russian names sound more exotic, more "Russian" for non-Russian ear and people involuntary do it first time. I observe the same thing with Indian names today. My hope is that with "internationalization" of modern economy English-speaking people (especially Americans) will be more sensitive to foreign names and more proficient in foreign languages in general and we'll have discussions like this less often. Papushin 16:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

This source that you have found seems to do the trick to prove the spelling. The source you found also implies that Sharapova's name is pronounced the way you have been saying it is. Therefore, I agree with the sound file being readded to the article, as it shows how a Russian would normally pronounce the name (in accordance with the BBC source you found). It also (though only indirectly) attacks/calls into question the source that asserted "Shar-a-PO-va". This is what I was looking for. A source to call into question the original source. However, I'm not sure I would readd the "Sha-RAH-po-va" part. First, it shouldn't be readded because IPA is highly preferred. Second, the sound file seems to do the trick. Also, I certainly wouldn't readd the part that says "Incorrect: Shar-a-PO-va"; that seems unnecessary and silly.
Thank you for your dedication to finding a source. Sometimes, claims are exceedingly easy to verify. Other times, (and I know from experience), they are very difficult to verify even when you know the answer ahead of time. Either way, you have strengthened this article, even if it was for something minor. Thanks again. Ufwuct 18:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
i applaud your Papushin effort in the translation. it was very refreshing. i disagree with the re-add, as this is the english version of her bio, and a russian source does little to enhance the article. sources, like grammar, should adhere to the language and its content. as much as i feel that your reference (which is much appreciated) is exclusionary to those of us that do not speak russian, i will trust the judgment of others on this site, and concede. thanks. The undertow 11:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Someone put in Trivia section that she grunts at 1021.2 decibels. I changed it to what I think he meant, 102.12 decibels. Correct me if I'm wrong. - Letsgomets1212 13:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Sportsbook reports that "a London tabloid reported that her persistent shrieks topped out at 102 decibels". Given the indirect and unreliable source and the implausibility of the claim, I'm sure this was hyperbole. I certainly don't think it should be stated as "Sharapova's on-court grunts have been measured at 102.12 decibels." I doubt if any actual measurements were involved. -- Xtifr 00:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
p.s. fixed. -- Xtifr 00:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
The original mark was 101.2 decibels. I haven't touched the article, but I did update it to IMDb once upon a time (I saw it in a paper and IMDb had a lower figure). --Anshelm '77 19:49, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "1021.2 decibels"?

If anyone here's an audiologist | acoustician, would that be audible on how many continents? Would there be earthquakes?

Hopiakuta 01:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an audio-anything, but since the db scale is logarithmic, and since Krakatoa was estimated at 180db, I feel safe in saying that the answers to your questions are: "all" and "yes". In fact, even though space is mostly empty, I think there might still be a danger of marsquakes! :) -- Xtifr 23:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is right, but I think the figure was 10^((1021.2-102.12)/10) = 8.09095899 × 10^91 times too large. --StuartBrady (Talk) 21:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is she the "feel so pretty" nike woman?

Is she the "feel so pretty" nike woman?

    Yes she is.  That commerical is pretty annoying, its stuck in my head. Baseracer 16:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Hopiakuta 01:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NIKE

I think that she is also sponsored by NIKE, but I didn't see it in the endorsements section. Am Wrong?

well, she was wearing the "shwoop" or whatever it's called very prominently (left shoulder) and no other logos while winning the WTA title yesterday. I don't know the facts but you gotta think she mande bank on that! Tzf 17:19, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] trivia

this trivia section in this article is way out of hand. please reduce the trivia entries. find other places in the article to put the info. Kingturtle 23:26, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Masha is not an "affectionate" name. It's a "short" name. You wouldn't say that William Clinton is "affectionately" called Bill, would you? PBH 01:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced criticism and rumours

I'm moving this here till someone can source it and word it in a more neutral manner.

Maria is rumoured to be dating tennis player Andy Roddick.
Sharapova is known out on tour as a brat and disliked by most players. Most Russian players, including Anastasia Myskina, do not care for Sharapova because of her father and because of her disloyalty to Russia. The only Russian player that has expressed positive comments about Sharapova is Maria Kirilenko.
She is also known to be arrogant during business deals. At the 2006 US Open Prince Party, Sharapova refused to attend her sponsor's event because she was not paid enough. However, that night, she signed a lifetime deal with Prince. Serpent-A 01:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
When you work out as much as she's obviously had to, to become one of the greatest tennis players worldwide, you get to be a little arrogant if you want. Opinion, though, does not wikipedia display. --Chr.K. 02:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Maria Sharapova defeated.."

Maria Sharapova defeated the number one player in the world, Amélie Mauresmo, 6-0, 4-6, 6-0. This is the first time that a female has lost 2 love games in US Open history. Next Sharapova will face Justin Henin-Hardenne for the 2006 US Open Championship.

I am a fan of Maria but I don't think this statement is right. Lindsay Davenport double-bagled a player in the earlier rounds. Could this statement be missing the words 'This is the first time that a female has lost 2 love games in the semi-finals of US Open history'?

EDIT: Changed it myself, after reading a source. [5]


[edit] Languages

Does Maria speak Russian? tdwuhs

She surely does. Papushin 01:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Banana incident?

Why are there so many references to a banana in her post-US Open interview?

  Because in her match again Tatiana Golovin of France and Justine Henin-Herdenne in the final, Maria's father and her hitting partner
  motioned to her with a banana, and Maria then ate a banana.  They also signaled to her using their fingers, and she would reply with
  the same hand gesture while drinking.  It's controversial b/c some considered it coaching, which is not allowed.

[edit] thanks for adding in the defeating the top 3 players at the same year

Thought it was something sort of important, wanted to add it in myself. Thanks anyway.

About Sharapova's photo, wouldn't a new photo, maybe the one taken during the US Open 2006 be better?


[edit] Moving to America

According to Maria's interview on Jay Leno a few days ago, she said herself that she moved to the US when she was 7... this page previously said 9. I have changed it to 7. If anyone sees reason to change it back, please do so citing your reason. I'm new to making changes, so I don't know if I should leave a footnote on the page stating why it was changed... if anyone with more experience would make the appropriate fixes, I would be grateful.

SlyMaelstrom 19:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:SndrAndrss

Could someone revert the last edit by User:SndrAndrss (which replaced a perfectly good creative commons licensed image with a fair-use image), please? I can't do this because of WP:3RR. --StuartBrady (Talk) 19:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Note" moved to "References"

There should be no need to have both a "Notes" section and a "References" section. Additionally, neither of the references in the original references section were serving a purpose. The first was a dead link and the second was a duplicate of Note 10 [6]. So I basically renamed the "Notes" section to "References" and eliminated what was previously the "References" section. --Ben Best 03:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

In the process, you forgot to adapt the links throughout the article. None of them works right now. This will need to be fixed.
And speaking of notes and references to external sources, I'd like to give a heads up concerning the "Notable matches" section: we cannot arbitrarily rank matches as notable. Any matches listed there that do not reference at least one external source that qualified it as "notable" (or otherwise worthy of special note, with whatever adjective), will be removed. And please, let's not confuse things: we all know that a high-profile player makes headlines, usually flattering ones, whenever they step into the court. What is required here is not a piece of news from hours after that match took place that happens to be praising Sharapova — by that standard, we'd list every single match she ever won, and maybe some that she lost too ;-) — we need something that says that that match stands out somehow from her other regular appearances, since what we are doing in this section is ranking a number of matches that are being qualified as "notable", worthy of special attention amidst all the matches played by Sharapova. I realize this is not really easy to come by, which normally goes to show that those lists are really original research and not suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia. Similar lists for other high-profile players have been removed on these exact same grounds. Redux 18:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I have reinstated the "Notable Matches" section so that it includes only the matches that the Women's Tennis Association believes are sufficiently notable to be included in the WTA's "Career in Review" section of Sharapova's profile. I hope this satisfies your concerns. Tennis expert 19:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
As I noted on your talk page, unfortunately it doesn't. Because the WTA website is all-inclusive. It does not provide an arbitrary list, but rather it lists her performance in all tournaments in which she appeared in each season, either informing that she won or informing the stage in which she was eliminated. If we derive an arbitrary "shortlist" from that, it's still original research. Redux 12:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Please refer to the note I left on your talkpage. [7] Thanks. Tennis expert 17:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should ITF Titles Be Counted In WTA Tour Titles?

I don't think they should be listed with the WTA titles, and instead should be a seperate listing.

[edit] Edits by The undertow and PRRfan

Here is my reasoning for reverting your edits: (1) The "has been ranked" language could be interpreted as "currently ranked." That is why it is better to state specifically that she is a "former World No. 1 ranked player." (2) Her being ranked number 1 does not necessarily mean that she was the "best" player at the time. (3) Rankings come out weekly. Thus, it is ambiguous to say that as of "January 2007" she is the second ranked player. (4) I have no idea what you mean, The undertow, by "already accepted terms." Please explain where this acceptance is documented. (4) "At seven" is ambiguous. It is preferable to specifically refer to her "age" at seven. (5) It is clearly better to say this, "Two years earlier, she defeated Serena Williams in the singles final at Wimbledon" than this, "Two years earlier, she beat Serena Williams to take the singles title at Wimbledon." The text already refers to her having won two Grand Slam titles. Therefore, it is redundant and unnecessary to say in the next sentence that she took the singles title. Tennis expert 23:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

your edits: found here, where you change 'beat' to 'defeated' and 'seven' to 'age of seven' are unnecessary. you simply reassigned your own vocabulary as there were no significant changes to the article. there was no ambiguity about her age.
i'm '31.' i'm sure most readers would not mistake that for my name. The undertow 23:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Analysis of her game and technique

Wiki articles on other tennis players include something about their style of play, strong and weak points, etc. The present wiki article on MS covers her stats, results, awards, modelling, endorsements, screaming, etc. but what about how she plays? Baseline power hitters like her are easy to criticize, but I believe that since she has been successful she deserves to have at least some respectful mention of the development of her game and her playing attributes that contribute to her success.

[edit] Height & Weight

Although her height is listed in the Info box, it is exceptional and I think some mention of it should be made in the body text. Something along the lines of At 188cm (6ft 2in) she is one of the tallest players in women's professional tennis, being only 1cm (½in) shorter than Lindsay Davenport. I'm not too fussed about the wording. I will go ahead and add it if no-one has a good reason not to. Secret Squïrrel 04:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Her height is not notable enough to be discussed in detail. There have been many female world-class tennis players whose height was in Sharapova's general range. Tennis expert 06:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Several webpages (for example, http://www.netglimse.com/celebs/pages/maria_sharapova/index.shtml ) state that her height is 1.83m or 1.84m instead of 1.88m. They all, however, claim that she is 59kg. Is it possible that this info is outdated? Q43 19:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Managed to find the info in her own webpage: http://www.mariasharapova.com/defaultflash.sps at Stats / Accomplishments. Q43 20:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox data

Should the date next to Highest ranking be the first time a player achieved that ranking or the most recent? Most recent would normally be covered in the body text. Secret Squïrrel 04:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it is standard to show the first time that ranking was achieved. That's how it's done on the ATP and WTA websites.
Shannonbonannon 19:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] delete nonnotable information about fan-written song concerning the legs of Sharapova

I was wondering why you would delete this information from triva and External link? What trivia section is all about? Exactly for 'nonnotable information'. Now, do you think that Maria's fan deserve or not to know about a song dedicated to her? The only word I can figure out for this deletion is prejudice. If you're concerned about the song's title you should pay attention to the lyrics till you realize the song emphasizes her grace and talent. The play around her legs just show how important is to use them during a tennis match - something she does really well - nothing else. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.157.224.30 (talk) 02:42, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

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