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[edit] General guidelines

Anyone editing the main article should read the WikiProject Computer and Video Games page so that the article remains conformed to the project's guidelines.

Anyone who wants to work on character or game guides should go to the Wikibooks section on MapleStory which is located here. The link can also be found at the bottom of the article in the external links section.

Only notable fansites and guides should be added to the external links section in the main article. Small or new forums and guild websites do not belong there. Wikipedia is not a place to advertise, and adding too many links will clutter the article.

The game issues page located at MapleStory Game Issues should only include factual information about existing scams, without including how to avoid the scams. Also, do not link to scam and/or hack websites.

Information on pricing items does not belong here as it is too volatile and is not encyclopedic. If you want to price items, refer instead to Sleepywood, Hidden-Street and BasilMarket.

The game is called MapleStory, with no space (not Maple Story) so please keep everything under that name.

-- Prod-Me 03:15, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Order of fan sites

It has come to my attention that the fan sites with the most amount of information, features, and etc are being left behind. Sleepywood.net, is a message board, it doesn't contain much information material. Whereas Mapletip has its very own Maplewiki, etc. Sauna and hidden street are also good sources, but not as well as mapletip is.

edit: MapleTip is not even NEAR as good as you claim it to be. It takes ages to load, has very superficial information which is sometimes even false and does not provide proper guides. Try looking at the guides section for, for instance, hidden-street.net. A lot more guides with a lot more information. Furthermore, hidden-street is more interactive and user-friendly. Evenfurthermore, hidden-street is a proper database. Know your information, PLEASE

So the question is order by usefulness or abc, or popularity.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.214.221.232 (talk • contribs).

Here are the distinctions of each site as I see it (comments are welcome):

  • hidden-street.net - most extensive library of game information
  • sauna.gibbed.us - extensive information extracted from the data files of the game
  • sleepywood.net - biggest forums, trading market and largest community
  • mapletip.com - has a wiki-like project
  • happymapling.net - should be deleted, all game information is already in the other site and there forum require registration just to read them plus is not as large as sleepywood's forums

--TheYmode 06:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

mapletip is also very extensive, with power search, filtering, skins, commenting (so users can learn more), quest guides, and forum help. hidden-street isn't exactly user friendly, but I'd say it'd both good. Sleepywood MAY BE the biggest forum, but it does not provide quality information. sauna is also fine. 69.214.221.232 06:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

hidden-street may be extensive, but it is also highly innacurate on a lot of things (as most of the initial information was simply lifted off of already innacurate jMS websites). I agree that Sleepywood is mostly a forum, but inside the forum is a lot of valuable information (ie. instant updates with things like how to complete brand new quests that won't get added to other sites untill much later). While it may not be organised in the same way as other sites, all the information is still there. Also, with the largest community, it's often the most up to date with new information about not only other versions but with oMS itself. 66.91.204.174 10:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't mean mapletip, the most useful website should be last. 69.214.221.232 13:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The order in not that important, as long as all the sites are notable and have a distinctions. I have rearrange them in alphabetical order. --TheYmode 15:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

my 2 cents is that hidden-street is best on easily accessible, extensive info. sleepywood and mapletip both have large communities, and mapletip has an info database too. sauna is hardly better than machine-readable and most of the sauna content is in hidden-street; don't even list sauna. --Froth 02:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Another site fans use is basilmarket It has some guides written by players and screenshots and videos for entertainment. Brady1234 20:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

http://strategywiki.net/wiki/Special:Search/MapleStory should also be included in the section "Informational fansites". Many people looking for deeper resources skip to that section without reading all the Links to StrategyWiki above.

[edit] How about narrowing down the article to just GlobalMS and MapleSEA?

I see a lot of topics on how the article is just too big, and there are too many edits to the articles with no references. I was thinking, shouldn't the English wiki article of MapleStory only have information for English versions of the game? Most people in the USA only play on GlobalMS and MapleSEA (I know MapleSEA is for South East Asians, but the client is still in English and people in the USA still play it). I think if we took out all the non GlobalMS and MapleSEA stuff from the main and world article, that would shorten the pages by a lot. This article really doesn't need to have information about versions that most people don't even play. There are other languages of wikipedia where other version info can go.

For example: On the world article, taking out info for Korean Folk Town, Riprey, Dong Fang Shen Zhou, Formosa, and Thai Floating Market, would shorten the article a lot. We really don't need information on areas that are not even released in GlobalMS or MapleSEA.

Or maybe we could keep the info for all the Asian versions, but put them on separate pages/articles, one page for each Asian version. Or put all of the Asian versions on one separate article. The main article could keep the top few lines saying that MapleStory is from South Korea, but then the rest of the article should only have information for GlobalMS and MapleSEA. Have a disclaimer or something that says "This article is for information on the English versions of MapleStory: GlobalMS and MapleSEA". Just my two cents. -- Takiten 17:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia it should cover all topics of a subject so all versions should be included. There is a policy on that but I can't remember what it is called. In any case I think that it is a good idea to do a semi-split. The arcticle could be shortened and broken into many sub-arcticles. I would have a vote on this as it would be a major change in the structure of the arcticle. Redskunk 03:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I would think we could keep all the info for the Asian versions, but split it into sub-articles. Since there are some English players playing on the Asian versions. The main article could have info for just GlobalMS and MapleSEA, then we could link the article to a sub article to the Asian versions. KoreaMS, JapanMS, ChinaMS, TaiwanMS, and ThailandMS could all go on a second article. -- Takiten 03:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

But that would mean that players cannot have a broad glance at MapleStory in a single page. They must first locate which version contains the feature they are looking for before going to that version's article, which slows down the searching speed.OhanaUnited 02:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I do not agree that the article should focus only on those two versions, even if this is the English Wikipedia. However, subpages would definitely shorten the article. I've noticed that the Unique gameplay features section is very long, mainly due to the MapleStory versions content template, which I have expressed my concern about. I think that the entire section should be moved to another page, MapleStory unique gameplay features, perhaps, and have a short summary described in the section, along with a link to the new page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kalathalan (talk • contribs) 03:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

I agree with the above. Most every version is at a different point with content available, and the page is quite long.perhaps another solution is to make seperate wikis for each version, or group similar versions together.Shmirlywhirl 22:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I think all the info from all of them should be kept here, but summarized. Separate pages are likely to be deleted. I actually think that much of the article we have can be summarized and kept to one page. And EMS should be releasing new stuff in a few weeks allowing us to shrink the version content template. -- Prod-You 05:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

why not just have a see also link to the template? 220.255.58.250 07:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I had suggested that previously. Kalani [talk] 09:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Some players only know certain feature (e.g. Fish Catching mini-game) but don't know which version it belongs to. They will take a long time before manage to find info on it.
OhanaUnited 06:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
My point was if you had an arcticle on all of the maplestory versions, but shortened and then made separate arcticles such as MapleSea, maple korea etc. and also stuff like uniqueness and that kind of thing. Gameplay would also be a good thing. Just stay away from item lists. They would get deleted.Redskunk 18:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

"The players combat monsters and complete quests, in the process acquiring in-game currency, called "Mesos" or "Meru", experience points (EXP), and various items." Why is Meru there? MapleSEA uses Mesos, correct? Maybe someone should remove it, else I will. HawkXZ 20:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

メル (meru) is JapanMS's name for mesos. I don't really care either way if it stays on the article or not. What about "Gacapon, Gashapon or Ga-cha-pon"? Maybe those are not needed either. -- Takiten 23:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I removed both besides "Mesos" and "Gachapon" (both global and Msea use them.) I wasn't too sure if Meru was for JMS only though. I don't think we need to go in-depth on versions most people won't even play legally. HawkXZ 05:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Propose removing of MapleStory Versions

The template provide no information. ie. MapleStory South Korea uses korean as it's language and serve south korea. But everyone knows that from the name, so it's pretty much pointless. the Local publishers provide no useful info as well cause it's already mention in the top right box. Version-specific Worlds isn providing much info either, by just listing out the server names what does the reader learn about? none.

so i propose delete of this template to make the page smaller 121.6.81.117 06:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah. I had never thought of this before, an interesting point. Yes, I don't see how this provides any useful information...I propose deletion as well. Kalani [talk] 06:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I was actually thinking about this earlier today :P.
  • Nicknames: Useless
  • Language: Obvious
  • Countries: Some info, though easily summarizable
  • Publisher: Has some info relating to registration
  • Worlds: Gives an idea of size, perhaps it should be simplified to a number?
Definately needs simplifying, but I don't think complete deletion is necessary. -- Prod-You 06:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Registration information isn't that important, as one interested in registering for a certain version would, obviously, visit that site and try to register, and then they would see what is required for registration. Kalani [talk] 06:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
But this isn't for people who are going to try to register. The fact that you need personally identifiable material to register for a free game seems fairly unique to me, and is worth a mention. -- Prod-You 16:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
That's something where I would ask "But is it unique enough that it's mentioned elsewhere?" Nifboy 21:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I realized that this template is the only mention of which versions exist. Before it's removed, it needs to be converted to prose. -- Prod-You 16:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Fail

I'm failing this for criteria 2. this article is in Articles with unsourced statements. TO add to that there's one sentence paragraphs, external links in the text, white space between section.

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[edit] Article Length

I'm making a few comments about this article as an outsider, as someone who is a casual gamer at most.

  • The article is way too long. The two massive tables fill up way too much space and I don't see the need for a detailed feature comparison in an encyclopedia article. It'd be a lot better if it was an external link.
  • The article should make sense to a non-gamer, and people with limited computer literacy.
  • Content should be relevant to these non-gamers. There's already been a lot of mention about Wikipedia not being a game guide. Only mention features that are really innovative or unique to Maple Story, such as the 2D platform-like graphics. There's no need to provide detail about features that are common to all games in its genre: gaining experience points, rewards at levelling up, having multiple independent worlds, character creation, death and respawning, character classes or parties/guilds. It's fine to mention it very briefly but in this article, some of these have their own subheadings.
  • Ditto with the section on the geography of the MapleStory world. I'd propose something like the following, replacing the first three paragraphs in the world section: The MapleStory world consists of three continents: Maple Island, Victoria Island and Ossyria Island. Each continent consists of various towns.
  • The StrategyWiki links on the top of every section should be removed. There's already an external link at the bottom.
  • Clear out external links - do we really need a link for each of the various releases of the game?
  • Don't use shorthand: KoreanMS, JapanMS, GlobalMS. This is more of a style thing, these abbreviations disrupt the flow of the text a bit.

I've probably mentioned a lot of things already mentioned, and I'd usually be inclined to just be bold and remove large chunks of content but I'd expect that such an edit would be reverted quickly. Sorry if I repeated a few points that might have already been raised, but the length of this article and the fact that I stopped reading it after the lead section got to me a bit. I know that for me, I might have kept reading if the more interesting information was closer to the top (or didn't require so much scrolling to get to) - there are plenty of features unique to MapleStory however I'm not at all interested in the sections about gameplay or the world because generally, all (MMO)RPGs have most of those features.

And yes, it probably is slightly ironic that I've written such a lengthy comment about article length. invincible 13:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Here's my short-list of things to be removed or shortened:
  • Job progression chart can be removed
  • Shorten explanation on Gameplay (especially on Exp matter)
  • Character classes, skills, and abilies can be shortened if not removing them completely and have a link redirect to strategywiki along with the picture showing an assassin using throwing star
  • Over extensive coverage on cash shop money. Can be summarized in a sentence like this: "Cash shop items are equips or special effect that can be purchased by real life currency."
  • Event picture should be changed. Characters are crowded one over another

Some things that should not be shortened are:

  • Revenue and game population (even though it's inaccurate)
  • Marriage description

Something that puzzles me:

  • Version and registration (Good to have because it carries global perspective. But not a must.)
  • Versions content (Have no idea how to shorten it)
  • Some time ago someone killed the link that redirects the what hacks exist in MS
  • First picture (Why does the warrior want his IGN covered up? Better find a subsitute picture.)
  • Picture showing 2 Curse Eyes (Can we find something that looks more friendly and comical? This is MS's specialty)

OhanaUnited 17:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Here are my thoughts on each of those
  • Job progression chart - it doesn't take much space but I guess it isn't necessary here, I'll be copying it over to SW
  • Gameplay - the whole section needs to be rearranged and the number of sections reduced (character classes/skills/abilities included)
  • Cash shop is one of the main distinguishing factors of this game so we should be careful when shortening it
  • Which event picture
  • Version content should be mostly moved to SW
  • Game issues was killed since all online games suffer from hacks, cheaters and ksers. It's now know as Critical reception
  • sauna.gibbed.us has all the enemies, what do you suggest?
I'll get to the transwiki stuff in a few days. -- Prod-You 19:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I am referring to GM event picture. Too many speech bubbles, too many characters overlapping each other. Cash shop is not a distinguishing factor as many other games also have cash shop (or its similar). It could be possible to move to SW and simply leave a redirect link here. But they may not like this as it consumes their bandwidth. It's possible for me to go back and review the edit history to get the hacks info. This should be done within this week. OhanaUnited 14:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:MapleStory Character Classes has been copied to StrategyWiki:Template:MapleStory/Jobs, Template:MapleStory Versions content has been copied to StrategyWiki:Template:MapleStory/Versions. Since most mmorpg's have similar hacks (fast looting, hit enemies quickly, move faster) it isn't necessary go to into detail about them here. About the Cash Shop, this was one of the earlier games to include "micro-transactions" (Gunbound is the only earlier one I know of). -- Prod-You 16:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just about to suggest that myself Prod. It always did seem to me that it fit better on StrategyWiki. I'll go take a look at it over there. IsaacGS 21:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Prod, you forgot to put a redirect link to Version content page or else ppl won't find it. OhanaUnited 18:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
For the moment, we haven't decided where to put it over there >.<. We're thinking of splitting it up and putting parts of it on the relevant pages. If anyone has any suggestions please leave a message on StrategyWiki:Talk:MapleStory#Towns. -- Prod-You 19:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link transfer

I see other Wikipedia sites in different languages have a MapleStory article. Since the Chinese and Japanese one doesn't fit here, why not transfer those links (Such as the Chinese to Chinese Wikipedia) to their native Wikipedia's MapleStory article? Then we can clear up the links. --AOL Alex 03:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Xi Men Ding or West Gate Town?

Should the town name Xi Men Ding be changed to West Gate Town? Because English version of Maplestory will likely to name it West Gate Town rather than Xi Men Ding. - wkkim9292 02:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, but noting the translation is ok. --Notmyhandle 03:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
西門町 indeed translates to West Gate Town using google translator, but nobody is 100% sure that's the name they will choose. It's probably best to just leave it the way it is for now. . The data.wz shows that it will most likely be Leafre in the english versions, but we can't say for sure, since Korean Folk Town would have been called Down Town had we just made a guess using the music track name in the data.wz before the map names were implimented into the data. In JapanMS, 西門町 is named 台湾西門町, which is arguably Taiwan West Gate Town. The music track implies it could be called Taipei too, so who knows, best to just wait. Chances are MapleSEA will be getting it within the next few months anyway. What does 서문정 translate to in english wkkim9292? -- Takiten 05:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
서문정 translate to West Gate Town and it is pronounced Seo Mun Jeong. - wkkim9292 07:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hacking

How does an article about MapleStory *not* return any results when "hack" is typed into the Ctrl+F function? This game has one of the most notorious hacking rates, with little done by the creators to prevent it from getting out of hand, and estimates of players who use hack tools as high as 60% of the entire MapleGlobal community. 69.123.204.52 20:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Most mmo's have fairly high rates of hack usage. If you can find websites which give some hard facts about it, we will put it in. -- Prod-You 21:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] riprey or leafre?

In some versions of ms like korea ms.. they choose to call it riprey but if u were to have a extractor sofware the names of some versions of ms choose to call it riprey

The towns are called by whatever they are called in the English versions of MS. (MapleSEA and GlobalMS) If no such data exists, I believe the Wiki goes by what it's most commonly called.
☒ TinDragon (User Page • Talk Page • Contribs) 17:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
English name is as of now Leafre. So that's what it will be. IsaacGS 19:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I think we should go for Riprey over Leafre because it's official in KMS where as Leafre is simply a translation made by a player, not the company that creates it. OhanaUnited 17:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, Nexon and Asiasoft did translate it into Leafre in the MapleSEA and GlobalMS's data. You can look on Rick's website sauna for the data. The map name and road name for that town clearly says Leafre in the data. So this is the official english name. -- Takiten 18:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I have to admit i liked Riprey a lot better than Leafre, but it appears that Leafre will be the english name so we don't have a choice. Same goes for Jipang and Zipangu. IsaacGS 23:28, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Even in JapanMS, ジパング is Zipangu and Jipangu in romaji. And I believe the Japanese pronounced it with a "zi" sound and not a "ji". It was never Jipang to begin with. It *can* be translated to Jipang in English, but Nexon/Asiasoft/ect decided to go with Zipangu instead, which is the proper romaji for it. Both KoreaMS and JapanMS call Korean Folk Town "Down Town" instead. It was never "Fairy Tale Land" in any version of maple. TaiwanMS calls Zipangu "Edo Village" instead. KoreaMS calls Zipangu "Japan" instead. So I kind of wonder which name GlobalMS will use when they get Zipangu. It could go either way, "Zipangu" or "Japan". -- Takiten 00:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
That's true, the comparison i was making is that Riprey and Jipang were user translations, while it seems Zipangu and Leafre will be the official ones. There are differences in Zipangu's content amongst the different versions. In KMS, it only consists of Mushroom Shrine, no Showa town. In TaiwanMS, they have showa Town, but they lack access to a number of the boss areas. At this point i believe only JMS and MSEA have the whole area, and they're both referring to it as Zipangu. I liked Jipang because the J reminded me of Japan. Though, now i'm pulling for Edo village. XD IsaacGS 17:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
ThailandMS got whole Zipangu in their patch 0.29, because the Changoo Boss Area(Pine Forest) has been released to ThailandMS in that patch. - Wkkim9292 01:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] content table or not

actually we should add the contect table for all versions as we would be able to know what contents those ms game cilent has so that we can refer to it

It's not necessary here, and has been moved to strategywiki. Also, please remember to sign your posts. -- Prod-You 20:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that the content table need to be added, because it shows what kind of things are available in each versions of MapleStory. - Wkkim9292 01:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gameguard

Everytime i try to play japanese maple story,a gameguard error come up.What's wrong? You must have your computer set to Japanese mode. And this isn't really the place to ask that...IsaacGS 17:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major overhaul under progress

I'm now overhauling the following sections as discussed previously to be shortened, condensed, or redirect to strategywiki. Please do not treat this as vandalism.

  • Gameplay
  • Character classes
  • Cashshop (to represent all versions' perspective, not just globalMS)
  • Free market
  • Switching 2 Curse Eyes picture to something more comicial and colourful (Someone should do this for me as I am photoshop-challenged.)

OhanaUnited 02:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I see no reason to switch the Curse Eyes picture. Please elaborate as to why you want to switch that. ~Entegy 02:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I explained already. Try find something more comicial and colourful, something that catches attention (e.g. Lorang, Star Pixie)

OhanaUnited 04:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Plenty of pictures on strategywiki for you to choose from. If you want an ingame screenshot, pick out a monster and I'll go find it. Shouldn't be much of a problem, but there's a few monsters on there that aren't actually released yet. IsaacGS 19:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe a Buffy? I have screenshots of them I could crop. I find them funny. ~Entegy 19:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Or, perhaps, a picture with multiple monsters in it. A picture of an Octo w/ Jr. Neki would seem fine... An•so•be 17:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

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