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I removed this comment, by [[User:]], which I believes should more appropriately be placed here on the talk page:

Whoever wrote this article? Ijaz had oil dealings with sudan. Which means, either he was an unregistered lobbyist, or he had a conflict of interest. User:72.240.86.50 11:21, 2005 December 5 72.240.86.50

-- Geo Swan 21:29, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] From: "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them"

(Note that Al Franken makes sarcastic comments, so some of this is a joke -- like the last sentence.)

"In 'Let Freedom Ring,' Hannity outlines a charge that he frequently makes both on television and on the radio: that Clinton let bin Laden slip from his grasp. He writes,

It's truly astonishing, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and their liberal allies on Capitol Hill were offered Osama bin Laden by the Sudanese government, and they turned the offer down. They could have taken him into custody and begun unraveling his terrorist network almost six years ago. But they didn't. And now more than three thousand Americans have paid with their blood. That is astonishing. Hard to think of a more serious charge. You want to be damned sure you have that one locked down pretty tight before you put it in print.

But knowing what we already know about Sean Hannity [referring to a previous chapter in the book, dedicated entirely to this guy] and the standards to which he holds himself, what are the chances that this whole charge is just baloney?

“His entire case comes from a guy named Mansoor Ijaz, a Pakistani-American who claims to have transmitted the offer as a middleman between the U.S. and Sudan. I got the story on Ijaz from former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger and from Daniel Benjamin, past director for counterterrorism on the National Security Council and now senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Berger only had to meet once with Ijaz to determine that he was an unreliable freelancer, pursuing his own financial interests. Ijaz was an investment banker with a huge stake in Sudanese oil.

Ijaz had urged Berger to lift sanctions against Sudan. Why the sanctions? Because Sudan was and remains a notorious sponsor of terrorism, harboring Hamas, Hezbollah, and al Qaeda. Also, the Sudanese regime is the leading state sponsor of slavery and is considered by many to be genocidal. And totally untrustworthy. Ijaz, however, was arguing their case. As Benjamin said of Ijaz, 'Either he allowed himself to be manipulated, or he's in bed with a bunch of genocidal terrorists.'

Ijaz said that Sudan was ready to hand over bin Laden. The U.S. does not conduct diplomacy through self-appointed private individuals. When the U.S. talked to Sudan, there was no such offer. The U.S. pursued every lead and tried to negotiate. Nothing.

The story does have a happy ending. Ijaz now has a job as foreign affairs analyst for the Fox News Channel.""

While Mansoor Ijaz is a privateer (now Fox News analyst), the above section from Al Franken's book should not be taken as gospel since Mr. Franken bases the entirety of that excerpt on Sandy Berger who was convicted of stealing classified government documents. [1]. Mansoor has had no such charge sully his reputation.

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Wikified as part of the Wikification wikiproject! JubalHarshaw 17:21, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

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(Certain content was removed from this page on 8 February 2007 at 5.27pm GMT and must not be re-posted. Anyone re-posting it should contact DMH Stallard (UK lawyers for Mansoor Ijaz) using only the following e-mail address: comments@dmhstallard.com) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cupasoupdave (talk • contribs).

[edit] Article development

I removed deletion tag and improved this article a little. Biophys 17:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The added sources make it more likely the topic meets WP:N. Please keep in mind that the Wikipedia article should be composed of facts about Mr. Ijaz from sources other than Mr. Ijaz himself. For additional information, you may want to check out google books. -- Jreferee 22:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for good advice. I will take a look as time allows. Biophys 23:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Too many books. I do not think this aricle is sibject of WP:N, but the US-Sudan story is really controversial. So far, the only source that explains it more or less logically is the article "Secret US emissary" (2nd external link in the article). Could you give me more specific hints/sources if you are familiar with this subject?Biophys 23:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

O'K, let's see a few "not so reliable" sources::::

So, I think first source does not fit Wikipedia "good source" requirements, but we can include it as a link (why not?), and two last sources are O'K. Biophys 16:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Biophys 00:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

So, the most revealing source is this: The Journalist and The Terrorist. Vanity Fair by Robert Sam Anson. It says, for example: "But despite his talk of bin Laden's being "a man like an angel," Khalid Khawaja was sufficiently broad-minded in his allegiances that he got the Taliban to agree to receive Ijaz and ex-C.I.A. director Woolsey. " But is it a good source for Wikipedia? Robert Sam Anson is a well-known journalist, is not he? But the site of publication is suspicious (might be a complete falsification). Do you know any other and better place where this has been published? Biophys 01:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced statements

Please feel free to include any new information about Mansoor Ijaz, but always provide reliable sources, especially if they challenge his credibility or can be considered as defamatory. Otherwise, the text should be deleted immediately according BLP rules. Thank you. Biophys 04:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Just wandering. "On a show on Fox New representative Rangel of New York specfically asked as to what security clearance Mr. Ijaz has to claim such knowledge of sensitive intelligence information on US Security" So, what did Mr. Ijaz answered? Biophys 16:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have to delete this for now. You are very welcome to re-insert everything back at any time, but only with appropriate references please.Biophys 17:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Mansoor Ijaz did not answer the question and as you can see he has not shown up on Fox news for over two years because his credibility went to hell, as even the Govt of Pakistan representative, Mr. Masood Khan, the current Ambassador of Pakistan to the UN in Geneva denied even knowing this self made liar. In fact this person claimed that his father was the founder of Pakistans Nuclear program, the problem with that statement was that his father moved to the US in early 60's when Pakistan did not have much of any nuclear program.

trueblood 06:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Great. You may be absolutely right. It is perfectly fine to include all this information in the article. It would be interesting to know what exactly his farther did for the Pakistan nuclear program. But please provide some references that support such claims. It is the rule to have verifiable information. For example, was the statement by Mr. Masood Khan published anywhere? If it was, let's refer to it. Biophys 19:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I will get a letter from AEC of Pakistan concerning his father and post it here

trueblood 05:06, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

In the original article Ijaz had someone make up the stuff about his father, he claimed that his father moved to the US in 1964. from the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission web site it says PAEC was started in 1964, so how could his father be father of PAEC if he had already moved to the US. see

http://www.paec.gov.pk/paec-hist.htm

Furthermore, all the things Mr. Ijaz has said cannot be independently be verified except from himself and his own statements on TV. So that is why fox news dropped him. He used his stupid statements to get on TV and than used that to raise funds from Arabs while being based in UK. HIs so called hedge fund cannot be located anywhere. So maybe a little research can prove all this trueblood 05:16, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Trueblood786, you seem to know the story about Mansoor Ijaz much better than me. Could you then take a look at the links in this article: "Mansoor Ijaz: America's Secret Emissary" and "The Journalist and The Terrorist. Vanity Fair by Robert Sam Anson"? How do you think: is it all fake? These sources claim that he had very good connections with US intelligence, and at the same time, with many political figures (to say this politely) in Pakistan.Biophys 19:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I have looked at those links, these were all made by anti clinton people who backed up their statements saying that Clinton was offered Bin Ladin by this man and Clinton refused. In an interview Clinton said he does not even know this guy. Guess what the same magazines were touting the WMD in Iraq, so if one says one thing long enough it gets printed and gets a life of its own. I know for a fact that Ijaz has absolutely no contacts in Pakistan Army. He belongs to Ahmadiya sect Qadiani who have some members in the civil service in Pakistan. But his claims about Kashmir are just that some stupid claims.

trueblood 23:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

So, are you telling that the entire story about Mansoor Ijaz's involvement in US-Sudan negotiations has been invented by Mansoor Ijaz? The only thing he did - he testified before US Congress (reference 11)? Or maybe he did not do even that?. And you think that article "Secret US emissary" is anti-Clinton lie/fabrication. Same thing about Kashmir (that was a couple of publications by another journalist). Then, we definitely need more alternative sources here. Biophys 01:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

As you can see the quotations and sources all only quote ijaz in reference to Kashmir and Sudan. No one from the Govt of Pakistan, India or Kashmir, Sudan or the US government has ever confirmed any of the nonsense by Ijaz so I suggest that this should be listed

trueblood 04:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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